Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager

At every club he's been at since 2002, Mourinho has won trophies. Will he win one at Spurs?


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Camara

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What is this nonsensical revisionism that ignores facts? :lol:
Lucky with Porto? We were the best team in all matches vs our opponents in the knockout stages in the CL. Go watch the games or if you think it's too much time look at the stats.
With Chelsea he did great yeah, he also had lots of money and great players yes. But by this order of ideas you have to keep Guardiola as an unknown too as he never managed less than world class teams with tons of money.
Then with Inter he won the CL and nobody expected it. He didn't spend that much as he had to sell his best player in order to fund his transfers in the second year.
In Real he faced a super Barça and was able to turn the tables, Real was left much much better than him than when he left. Oh, and in his 3 years there combined he spent less than the 1 year before or after him.

Since when was this Mourinho a bad manager or one based on luck? :lol:
 

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I'm still very relieved to this day that he is not our problem anymore. He was disaster at man utd. Wasting hundreds of millions and playing the most boring football ever at our club.

What were we thinking bringing in this dinosaur past it manager to compete with Pep and Kloop.
 

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It won't happen though, we United fans went through the same process. Chelsea fans before us.

I mean you beating us in an one off is certainly possible but I don't think he'll be a success at Spurs.
@balaks Called this(and as did a lot of Utd fans) back in July. This man is an out of touch dinosaur. His failure at Spurs doesn't really surprise me to be honest. Quite bizarre that apparently there's no break clause in his contract.
 

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Wow looking at this Spur team and wonder what happened to Mourinho. I can't lie I thought they will be challenging for the second spot with us.
 

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He went to Madrid and did the same thing. Tried the entire first season to sack the DOF Valdano because they disagreed on some transfers (Mourinho wanted some lump upfront, Valdano understandably vetoed). He’s a really weird guy when it comes to football. He prefers to cultivate bad relationships than good. So annoying that he did it with us and sacked key parts of Carrington and our academy.
 

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Van Gaal beat him to that.
Both odd managers who seemed to become cowards. Lvg after that Leicester result, and then didn't push on when stumbling on that 433

Jose completely fcked it with that Sevilla result and press conference
And then just totally lost it
His first season with us was most enjoyable of course and he came 6th :lol:
 

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I bet Levy wakes up in a cold sweat every morning and says to himself.....

‘Please let it be a bad dream’.......

Then reality sinks in......

‘Sorry Mauricio.......what have I done..........’
 

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I'd like to point out that I have always viewed these kind of stats as pointless and irrelevant - this is nothing to do with Jose but please don't let that take away from your agenda. I've never once viewed them as worth anything. Not sure how much stronger I can put it - I absolutely hate them and always have.

I have to stop myself from pushing the ignore button when I see people discussing these kind of stats as if they are gospel.
Do you now get the usefulness of xG and other underlying stats?

This is the exact argument our fans were having 6-8 months or so before Mou eventually got the boot. Interestingly, we were having this argument roughly 8 months ago as well.
 

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Do you now get the usefulness of xG and other underlying stats?

This is the exact argument our fans were having 6-8 months or so before Mou eventually got the boot. Interestingly, we were having this argument roughly 8 months ago as well.
Can you elaborate on that? What was the data pointing towards?

xG in an isolated game may not be that useful but trend over time can be very informative.
 

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I don't hate Jose, but I'm glad his time at Spurs has shut up the few weirdos left on here who were still gushing over him. Truly bizarre creatures.
Wow the replies to the tweet are something else. His cult is amazing. Not sure there are comparable cults
 

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Can you elaborate on that? What was the data pointing towards?

xG in an isolated game may not be that useful but trend over time can be very informative.
That at that time, Spurs were overachieving their xG under Mou. I think the difference between GD and xGD was ~10 goals, and going by xG numbers only, Spurs under Mou were 8th best attacking side, and were in the bottom half when it comes to xGA
 

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That at that time, Spurs were overachieving their xG under Mou. I think the difference between GD and xGD was ~10 goals, and going by xG numbers only, Spurs under Mou were 8th best attacking side, and were in the bottom half when it comes to xGA
Oh OK.

I thought the discussion was regarding our xG under Ole.
 

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From the Athletic article"

Some players are unhappy with training sessions. Think they are:
- Too defensive
- Too focused on the opposition
- Not as intense as under Pochettino
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A section of players who used to complain about Pochettino's double sessions and rare days off now wish they were working harder.
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Some attacking players feel:
- Unhappy how little focus there is on coaching complex offensive patterns
- They are still reliant on moves and finishes in the final third learned and honed under Pochettino due to the low level of detailed attack work under Mourinho.
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Mourinho's approach is tailored on reacting to opposition with a bespoke pragmatic style in response to that, whereas, under Pochettino the approach was universal regardless of opponent.
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Players grown bored of spending hours working on how to defend throw-ins when they are preparing to play Liverpool.
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One source said that players are at risk from "tactical overload".
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One internal source said, "There is no plan to move the ball forward. The plan is to defend, boot the ball up to Kane and Son, and that's it".
 

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None of that would be surprising in the least although I wonder whether the sources are just Dele Alli and Broadway Danny Rose having their revenge.
 

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From the Athletic article"

Some players are unhappy with training sessions. Think they are:
- Too defensive
- Too focused on the opposition
- Not as intense as under Pochettino
------------------
A section of players who used to complain about Pochettino's double sessions and rare days off now wish they were working harder.
-------------------
Some attacking players feel:
- Unhappy how little focus there is on coaching complex offensive patterns
- They are still reliant on moves and finishes in the final third learned and honed under Pochettino due to the low level of detailed attack work under Mourinho.
---------------------
Mourinho's approach is tailored on reacting to opposition with a bespoke pragmatic style in response to that, whereas, under Pochettino the approach was universal regardless of opponent.
----------------------
Players grown bored of spending hours working on how to defend throw-ins when they are preparing to play Liverpool.
-----------------------
One source said that players are at risk from "tactical overload".
-----------------------
One internal source said, "There is no plan to move the ball forward. The plan is to defend, boot the ball up to Kane and Son, and that's it".
Cut and last from his time here. He's finished.
 

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From the Athletic article"

Some players are unhappy with training sessions. Think they are:
- Too defensive
- Too focused on the opposition
- Not as intense as under Pochettino
------------------
A section of players who used to complain about Pochettino's double sessions and rare days off now wish they were working harder.
-------------------
Some attacking players feel:
- Unhappy how little focus there is on coaching complex offensive patterns
- They are still reliant on moves and finishes in the final third learned and honed under Pochettino due to the low level of detailed attack work under Mourinho.
---------------------
Mourinho's approach is tailored on reacting to opposition with a bespoke pragmatic style in response to that, whereas, under Pochettino the approach was universal regardless of opponent.
----------------------
Players grown bored of spending hours working on how to defend throw-ins when they are preparing to play Liverpool.
-----------------------
One source said that players are at risk from "tactical overload".
-----------------------
One internal source said, "There is no plan to move the ball forward. The plan is to defend, boot the ball up to Kane and Son, and that's it".
This could literally be a cut and paste job from his time here... for all his talk about evolving, he's been making the same mistakes for the best part of a decade now.
 

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From the Athletic article"

Some players are unhappy with training sessions. Think they are:
- Too defensive
- Too focused on the opposition
- Not as intense as under Pochettino
------------------
A section of players who used to complain about Pochettino's double sessions and rare days off now wish they were working harder.
-------------------
Some attacking players feel:
- Unhappy how little focus there is on coaching complex offensive patterns
- They are still reliant on moves and finishes in the final third learned and honed under Pochettino due to the low level of detailed attack work under Mourinho.
---------------------
Mourinho's approach is tailored on reacting to opposition with a bespoke pragmatic style in response to that, whereas, under Pochettino the approach was universal regardless of opponent.
----------------------
Players grown bored of spending hours working on how to defend throw-ins when they are preparing to play Liverpool.
-----------------------
One source said that players are at risk from "tactical overload".
-----------------------
One internal source said, "There is no plan to move the ball forward. The plan is to defend, boot the ball up to Kane and Son, and that's it".
I can totally believe that, thats basically all they do in attack.
 

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From the Athletic article"

Some players are unhappy with training sessions. Think they are:
- Too defensive
- Too focused on the opposition
- Not as intense as under Pochettino
------------------
A section of players who used to complain about Pochettino's double sessions and rare days off now wish they were working harder.
-------------------
Some attacking players feel:
- Unhappy how little focus there is on coaching complex offensive patterns
- They are still reliant on moves and finishes in the final third learned and honed under Pochettino due to the low level of detailed attack work under Mourinho.
---------------------
Mourinho's approach is tailored on reacting to opposition with a bespoke pragmatic style in response to that, whereas, under Pochettino the approach was universal regardless of opponent.
----------------------
Players grown bored of spending hours working on how to defend throw-ins when they are preparing to play Liverpool.
-----------------------
One source said that players are at risk from "tactical overload".
-----------------------
One internal source said, "There is no plan to move the ball forward. The plan is to defend, boot the ball up to Kane and Son, and that's it".
I'm very sure I read the same lines few years ago.
 

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From the Athletic article"

Some players are unhappy with training sessions. Think they are:
- Too defensive
- Too focused on the opposition
- Not as intense as under Pochettino
------------------
A section of players who used to complain about Pochettino's double sessions and rare days off now wish they were working harder.
-------------------
Some attacking players feel:
- Unhappy how little focus there is on coaching complex offensive patterns
- They are still reliant on moves and finishes in the final third learned and honed under Pochettino due to the low level of detailed attack work under Mourinho.
---------------------
Mourinho's approach is tailored on reacting to opposition with a bespoke pragmatic style in response to that, whereas, under Pochettino the approach was universal regardless of opponent.
----------------------
Players grown bored of spending hours working on how to defend throw-ins when they are preparing to play Liverpool.
-----------------------
One source said that players are at risk from "tactical overload".
-----------------------
One internal source said, "There is no plan to move the ball forward. The plan is to defend, boot the ball up to Kane and Son, and that's it".
I read that too and I can absolutely understand and believe everything in the article. Just surprised of all people, he is giving them days off and low intensity training. Mourinho, in a time where his players are having shockers and his tactics aren’t working! Article doesn’t mention anything about man-management but I’m sure many of his players dislike him too.
 

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I read that too and I can absolutely understand and believe everything in the article. Just surprised of all people, he is giving them days off and low intensity training. Mourinho, in a time where his players are having shockers and his tactics aren’t working! Article doesn’t mention anything about man-management but I’m sure many of his players dislike him too.
It is pretty self evident that the players in general are not happy with what is going on.
The absolute number 1 thing a coach has to do is to get the players to have total faith in what they are being told to do.
Without this, the coach is not going to succeed.
Jose used to be very good at motivating his squad and the results were exceptional.
This is unfortunately now not the case. And we can see that by the outcome.
 

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It is pretty self evident that the players in general are not happy with what is going on.
The absolute number 1 thing a coach has to do is to get the players to have total faith in what they are being told to do.
Without this, the coach is not going to succeed.
Jose used to be very good at motivating his squad and the results were exceptional.
This is unfortunately now not the case. And we can see that by the outcome.
Yeah. These days, telling a player how shit they are and have been to ‘get a reaction’ is not going to work, and rightly so. That isn’t management. We all could become a manager then. Just set the team up in a defensive, low-block 4-2-3-1 no matter the opposition and tell them that they’re all awful so they can play well to prove us wrong.

Mourinho’s methods are drastically past it and the only reason he won something at Chelsea in his second spell was because he had the likes of Cech, Terry, Drogba, Cole etc, who liked him the first time and helped him keep the dressing room onside. I mean, there was nearly anarchy at Madrid already. Literally everyone hated him bar Perez and the only reason he won something there as well was because of Ozil and Ronaldo’s magisterial brilliance. Even there, he wasn’t coaching any complex attacking patterns.
 

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Long may it continue but his days are numbered.
He needs to move to international management. His best club days are behind him unless he can change his footballing philosophies (i doubt it).

Listening to this weeks Transfer Window podcast. Mourinho blaming the poor recruitment and Mourinho not getting the CB he wanted. That money was wasted on Bale against his wishes according to Duncan Castles.

Also the squad is need of a refresh, its at the end of a cycle, apparently. Covid has wrecked the plans that Mourinho was bought to the club under.

Brendan Rodgers being linked with the job as well. (He should stay at Leicester imo).
 

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I don't think Jose is nearly as bad as many are now pretending. He definitely isn't a top top manager anymore but you could do a lot worse, even if his tactics are somewhat outdated and he falls out with every club after a few seasons. But for him to succeed he needs the right mix of players to work with. Spurs just don't have enough talent, especially in defense. And Jose has never been the man you want to guide a rebuild of the squad. So for me there is just no rationale - beyond not wanting to pay him the 30m buyout - for keeping him beyond this season.
 

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I don't think Jose is nearly as bad as many are now pretending. He definitely isn't a top top manager anymore but you could do a lot worse, even if his tactics are somewhat outdated and he falls out with every club after a few seasons. But for him to succeed he needs the right mix of players to work with. Spurs just don't have enough talent, especially in defense. And Jose has never been the man you want to guide a rebuild of the squad. So for me there is just no rationale - beyond not wanting to pay him the 30m buyout - for keeping him beyond this season.
he does spend quite a bit of money trying to do this
 

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I don't think Jose is nearly as bad as many are now pretending. He definitely isn't a top top manager anymore but you could do a lot worse, even if his tactics are somewhat outdated and he falls out with every club after a few seasons. But for him to succeed he needs the right mix of players to work with. Spurs just don't have enough talent, especially in defense. And Jose has never been the man you want to guide a rebuild of the squad. So for me there is just no rationale - beyond not wanting to pay him the 30m buyout - for keeping him beyond this season.
What does he have to do to prove to you he’s an awful manager? Frankly I don’t think there’s anyone worse in the league.
 

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Aside from the human sacrifice connotations, who is doing the offering? Are RBL keen to get rid of him?
I'm genuinely puzzled who it could be that is 'offering' Nagelsmann to other clubs, especially to one like Tottenham, and how Duncan Castles would know about it. Makes absolutely no sense.
 

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What does he have to do to prove to you he’s an awful manager? Frankly I don’t think there’s anyone worse in the league.
This. Some bullshit romantic notion that the manager who won two CL's and 5 league titles in his career still has it.

Meanwhile any actual constructive review of the last 10 years shows a catastrophic decline mixed with some success at the halfway point.

Seriously, since he won the Europa League, he has been fecking atrocious and 2nd place is nothing to brag about.