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Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
But that's the problem, money is a pretty indicator and it goes against that alleged perception. The board wouldn't have increased the wage bill by +100m and spent +300m on new player if winning trophies wasn't a priority, as for players' attitude it was his job to handle it. So I don't understand how you understand his meltdown, there is no reasonable excuse for it.
Fellaini went to China for his retirement payday. Matic im not so sure on either, Jose will re-purpose Dier into Matic's role.
Spurs need to sort out their defense, who is staying who is going, this should be a key priority for Jose. But to be fair, they should have done this for Pochettino, players are not on board with the Poch project, out the door you go. I remember seeing an article about Levy saying he couldnt find buyers. You drop your asking price far enough, you will find buyers I guarantee.
Midfield I think they have an ok mix of players, DM(Dier), technician(Winks), b2b(Sissoko, Ndombele), it's all there, just not clicking yet. Their attack is great, Kane, Son, Moura, Alli, with Lamela and Lo Celso as the rotation players.
Eriksen is as good as gone, has he even played in the Jose era? So is Rose and Wanyama id say. Then the question marks, Aurier, Vertonghen, Alderweireld.
He played against United.
Lukaku pointing.
He has basically simplified the tactic back to Pochs of 3 years ago. We can pass it about or go more direct. So when we have space we pass it about, when we’re in a pinch Toby can quarter back it into Kane or Dele with 2 wider fast players.
The problem, as has come from the horses mouth in many of the players, is that Poch has dithered about declaring players who he doesn't want, but then giving them mixed messages about whether he wants them or not. If he doesn't want them, he should tell them as much and stop playing them, but he didn't - so he made his own bed.
Mourinho saying today it's all down to him that McTominay is Utds best player 
. If Jose was still here, Scott would be getting 3 League appearances per season, used only as a back up to Matic and Fellaini.
. If Jose was still here, Scott would be getting 3 League appearances per season, used only as a back up to Matic and Fellaini.Nah they concede too many goals for that. If they improve their defence then they got a chance.
To be fair we would have never signed Matic in the first place, thankfully.Mourinho saying today it's all down to him that McTominay is Utds best player
But he does deserve some credit for McTominay's development.
I'd be delighted just to get Matic off the books tbh. He's an absolute embarrassment of a footballer these days.
Scott's situation would have been similar to Fodens at City if Jose was still here. Getting runs in European competition and Cup games, and used in the league only when there's an injury crisis.
When did Mourinho say this? He was heavily backed at United.
Any credibility behind the Matic links?
No idea.
I vaguely remember the "this is not my team" incident as a sign of things starting to derrail.
"Backed" seems to be a new, strange term in football fandom.
It seems, from my experience, to be based purely on net spend - rather than meaning "the manager was given the resources and support he needed".
I heard it a lot about Poch, and people continually saying he was never "backed", when by all accounts the "no transfers" summer and winter was more about backing him (because it was a situation of his own volition) than not.
Anyway, Ed recently admitted he blocked a few of Mourinho's transfers and extended contracts of players who were too cack for Utd, purely so he could extended their financial worth. I wouldn't suggest this is "backing". He also seemed to refuse him the opportunity to sign a defender in Mourinho's final window, only to spent £80m-odd on Maguire for Solksjaer the following year, which must have been annoying to witness. Regardless of the justification that this scenario would produce on here, if it went against the will of the manager then it isn't "backing" them. Least not "heavily".
Bro, do you realise that we spent like 400 million on players during Jose's tenure? Fergie during his entire tenure of more than 40 years only spent around 700-800M I believe. I know Jose is your manager and everyone at Spurs is happy, but just be aware that it will all come crashing down in the next 18 months. If Levy doesn't back him in the summer, don't be surprised if he plays Son at LB, Moura at RB and Winks at CB, just to prove a point.
Managers at United typically get a free reign, and Mourinho just couldn't prove that he could take us anywhere long-term.
Also...
I'm hoping I don't need to point out the smorgasbord of problems with this statement.
Ok, tell me what resources and support do you think he will likely get at tottenham that he didn't get at United?
Also...
I'm hoping I don't need to point out the smorgasbord of problems with this statement.
That would be a "straw man".
The discussion point was the assertion that Mourinho was "heavily backed" at United, which is only supported if you believe that "backing" is a synonym for 'Net Spend', and simultaneously he was in control of transfers, and the players bought were his decisions.
The last bit we pretty much know is not the case, as Ed said this a week or two ago:
“It is true that there was a difference of opinion on one or two players between the manager and the recruitment department.
“Sometimes I have to be one who delivers the ‘no’, which isn’t easy, because our natural tendency is to back the manager in every possible circumstance, but we have to listen to the recruitment experts too.”
An interesting but not uncharacteristic statement from Ed, who is saying that 'they' back the manager except for when they don't agree with him. Which means they back themselves and if the manager agrees, they coincidentally back him at the same time.
Which is a bit like saying you're happy for other people to choose where to eat, as long as you choose where it is.
It really takes a couple more bad losses to end the all-smiles honeymoon and revert to his inner dinosaur for a top 4 spot and a cup or two... which spurs fans would gladly accept once Poch’s ghost wanes for good.
Hate to sound like a hater but I think you're still in the phase where you're enjoying the best of both managers ie Jose refining Poch's template of play. As time passes Poch's passing style will fade and you will see Jose's direct football start to feature predominantly
and for the record I'm talking strictly about style of play
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Bro, the guy brought Lindelof, baily, Dalot, in addition to the CB's we already had at that time. The guy has a reputation of setting up a great defense, but if DDG did not go super saiyan in 2017-2018, we would not have even finished second. DDG alone saved nearly 15 goals that season. Most goals saved against expected goals in the whole of last decade. Now, granted Spurs have better defenders in Toby and Jan, but our defense never looked like they received any coaching. And he didn't even compete for the title in the 2nd season, finishing 19 points behind City, where City humiliated us at home. Ed should be booted out of the club, but you could understand his reasoning: after spending all this money, we still looked way off the pace, and could Jose really be trusted with more finances?
Now saying all that, Jose might have really turned a corner, and he might be the one to lead Spurs to glory. But history suggests that Jose's star might be on the wane, and with Levy not really known for spending big...we will see how this one plays out.
It's interesting seeing the same optimism and hope from Spurs fans that we went through when Mourinho first took over.
Must of been shite, I certainly dont remember him.
They are riding that new manager wave at the moment. But yes the Spurs fans are like caf when Jose took over, I guess at least to be fair to Mourinho he did actually win trophies.
Are there any more rumours of Kane going to Madrid etc.?
I'm hoping there'll be a door open for Inter to offload Lukaku to Spurs...
I'm hoping there'll be a door open for Inter to offload Lukaku to Spurs...
If Spurs dont make CL positions I would be worried if I was a Spurs fan. He's not going anywhere Christmas window however.
Except for Maguire, William, Perisic (two wingers who would have got the best out of Lukaku) etc.
Also do you not remember the line that got him sacked? It was comedy gold!
Not necessarily trying to defend him, he made a lot of mistakes and the football was dreadful but I wouldn't say he was fully backed.Mourinho said:
backing a manager doesn’t mean letting them spend what they like on whoever they want.
we could be sat on Toby, Willian, Perisic along with Matic at a cost of around £150m. Would any of those players be useful for us now?
no manager has complete carte blanche to buy whoever they want, with the vast amount of managerial appointments, players will outlast the manager. Jose has £400m to spend, he was ‘backed. How many managers have had that level of money (inflation adjusted) to spend over such a short period of time?
Going by Duncan Castles interview, Jose didn't rate Maguire highly and wanted other experienced options.
This just goes to show that Woodward genuinely has no clue about anything and sees footballers as conventional trading assets rather than measure their value as employed resources.
It's genuinely cartoonish logic from a businessman who doesn't even understand the parts of business that aren't directly about profit. The man is a buffoon.
Jose deserves all the credit for seeing something in McTom that almost no one in this forum did. Same goes for most pundits.
Nice strawman.,
If we had won trophies with those players would it have been worthwhile?
Do you think Jose will get 400 fecking millions from Levy? ffs, spurs fans rushing things, just fecking wait 2 years, then come back and lets have a talk.
So we are just to sit and wait for the implosion, sounds sensible. Most of us know the chance of this going smoothly are stacked against us, we know its an odd partnership between Jose and Levy but we have seen more exciting and free flowing football in the last 5 matches than we have seen in the last year. I couldn't stand Jose before he joined us but he is an incredibly infection character, every time I see him now he brings a smile to my face.
Oh dear, this is what I imagine the caf was like circa 2016
Probably but again what else are Spurs fans supposed to think? Should we be shouting Jose out in disgust? Its clear most United fans want him to implode again, but as a fan I wont judge him till he does something I don't like, so far he seems to be trying to play a more attacking brand of football with new back room staff.
I think its fair enough Jose gets a new chance in his new job. He knows that he wont get pep backing to win the league so it will be interesting to see if he can adadpt.