I guess it’s not so weird that a few incidental snapshots from the training ground can give a completely wildcard BS random impression of what’s actually going on during the hundreds of ours the coaches and players spend there training.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 25
- Goals
- 2
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 2
Agreed Weghorst was terrible, Zirkzee is even worse, which is pretty amazing cause I didn’t we could find one, let alone actually pay for one.
Well, my point, which is a point also made from a few people close to the club, is that there is not necessarily a contradiction between a player working very hard in training and a player spending half a season getting his particular physicality up to PL scratch. Or a player working very hard in training and on the pitch, but due to factors like instructions, bad reading of the game, confusion and lack of confidence looks ‘lazy’ to an ordinary matchgoer or even a qualified pundit with no background information. It has happened many times before.
Lukaku and Martial are instances of players were a manager have revealed later that they were working very hard in a period were they were simultaneously labeled lazy by outsiders like us.
All you need to look at is the pathetic lack of effort when he came on against Newcastle.
It was 100% unacceptable and he should never get in the squad again after that.
The worst "effort" I've ever seen.
Every snapshot - he’s always doing some mad shit basically anything other than looking like a professional footballer trying to improve his form after 18 months of being woeful.
If anything, when cameras are rolling given the huge media focus on our club and the calling out of the players over time, our players should look like model pros not buffoons even more so on camera
Thought we’d left this kind of clown behind with clearing the Lingards etc out of the club
He at least worked his socks off
I’m a midfielder. When I have been forced to play as a forward, I am lost. I don’t know how or when to time runs, I can’t hold up the ball playing back to goal, I’m always a step late. Just like Zirkzee, in other words.
There’s a lot to criticize the manager for, but I feel you’re reaching a bit here. Even if it were the case, the guy is a professional and gets paid a boat load of money to perform. The least one could do is put in the required effort - no matter what’s happened in the background.
Also, we’ve supposedly moved away from the manager having full power and control over signings, so signing Semenyo and getting rid of Zirkzee shouldn’t be laid squarely at the feet of Zirkzee (assuming any of this happened anyway). Trying to move him on has more to do with the 18 months of performances he’s shown with us, then anything or anyone else.
He seems an ok lad, but he’s just not suited to this league at all. I hope he’s moved on asap. Even if we’re unable to bring another attacker in, we’re still better off either promoting youth or pushing Bayindir up top (yeah I’m only half serious).
Doesn’t deserve being in the match day squad for today
Man Utd 1:1 Wolves
Why was he subbed? Was it an injury?
Just offered nothing despite the goal. Did think subbing him at halftime was premature though, and Fletcher was not the right replacement.
Such an awful clearance that lead to their goal. Sums up his time here.
Premature and moronic. We're already bereft of attacking talent, and at least Zirkzee might be capable of conjuring a moment. There was zero chance of Fletcher doing that.
Got a goal and a good assist. Would be a fitting farewell in someways.
Big mistake to start both strikers and then sub one of them off at half time when we needed a goal and with no real options to impact the game in the latter stages.
Once he had started Zirkzee, he really should have stuck with him rather than turning to much less experienced options.
Once he had started Zirkzee, he really should have stuck with him rather than turning to much less experienced options.
He was shite. Couldn’t care less that he was subbed; it was the wrong player coming on.
Enjoy Rome.
Enjoy Rome.
Still can't believe Amorim doesn't have the eyes to play 2 strikers in a partnership in a 352.
I enjoy watching Zirkzee more than I enjoy watching Amorim.
If I had to keep one then it would be Zirkzee over Amorim's clueless boring football.
Sesko - Zirkzee
Cunha
Instead he uses Zirkzee as a RW and Cunha as his LW in a 343.Cunha
I enjoy watching Zirkzee more than I enjoy watching Amorim.
If I had to keep one then it would be Zirkzee over Amorim's clueless boring football.
Seriously why not bring Chido on? I'm with you on subbing Zirkzee, but to replace him with an attacking non-entity like Fletcher makes zero sense.
I imagine as Fletcher played last game and is actually a 10, where Zirkzee was meant to be playing.
Must be the laziest mf to play for us. 
He isn't even trying.
Even his hairline has given up.
Even his hairline has given up.
If you’re playing football manager then that’s probably the way to go. But in reality, Zirkzee is shite whether he’s played 10, right 10 or upfront. I don’t think it would have made a big difference.
It's almost crazy how much he avoids playing these players to their strengths sometimes. Even all of these three at their worst would stand much more of a chance if they'd get a chance at just any formation like this, whether that's 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-1-2, no one cares. But for some reason that is not a possibility whatsoever to Amorim. It's not about the formation, but it's also all about the formation. Why so rigid, especially if three important players are off to the AFCON? Now you have two not too creative midfielders making the play and looking for players of which at least two have to get used to odd positional responsibilities for their specific experiences. Might as well just play a park the bus kick and rush formation if you're aiming for a few lucky breaks.
The hate he gets is madness
You can probably post this in every player thread and I’d agree with you in all of them.
Has there been any confirmation whether he was carrying an injury or not?
He had a pretty rancid first half (par for the course really) but he did get a goal, by hook or by crook. If that sub was tactical, it was yet another moronic decision by Amorim.
He had a pretty rancid first half (par for the course really) but he did get a goal, by hook or by crook. If that sub was tactical, it was yet another moronic decision by Amorim.
Everytime I see Cunha for Brazil he is playing as the Central CAM.
He also scores goals for Brazil as a CAM because it allows him to centrally run from deep directly towards the goal rather than at an angle having to beat a player from out wide.
It's simple tactics built to get the best out of players, not to get the best out of one formation.
He doesn't understand his own players strengths and weaknesses very well; ultimately because he doesn't really care. It's all about his formation.
Ridiculous how he was deployed last night. Had to be the support striker in a 4-2-3-1 with runners around him. Dorgu to the right of him, Cunha to the left and Sesko up top.
Amorim confirmed in his post match comments the change was tactical and had nothing to do with an injury.
Fair enoughDid he take him off because he blamed him for their goal?
I just don't see how it was tactical doing what he did, more vindictive.
I just don't see how it was tactical doing what he did, more vindictive.
It's what Farke had done at Leeds, led to DCL finding his scoring boots.
Zirkzee has been playing incredibly poorly and he doesn't help himself with how he lumbers about the pitch.
We all know that except Ruben. Zirkzee is not the best player, very average; deploying him in a wrong position will only make it worse.
His explanation was that Case and Ugarte were being outmanned in midfield and so he needed to bring on another midfielder to gain control. He specifically referenced Zirkzee needing to step up and win duels before the game started and of course he was his usual lethargic self so it was inevitable he would be hooked first. It is clear he wants to move on as the effort levels have hit new lows in the last couple of games, maybe he has his justifications for that but he still should not be starting if he isn’t going to give 100%.
On the point of laziness, this is the guy who, playing for Bayern in preseason, got one on one with the keeper, took the ball pass him, had a wide open goal but didn't score because he wanted to stroll and walk the ball into the net. A defender hustled (something Zirkzee is allergic to) and took the ball off him inches away from the goal line.
I remember watching a video of that way before he came to United and thought "what a clown." Little did I know he'd be a United player years later.
I remember watching a video of that way before he came to United and thought "what a clown." Little did I know he'd be a United player years later.
Sell him cheapish
I’d be fond of him and maybe in a better United squad with a settled system he’d of been a good sub. But one thing I can’t accept is lack of intensity and i feel he’s been bad the last 2 games. Whether it’s pressure or he’s not mentally on it , that I can’t forgive so he’s probably on his way out.
He really did show glimpses of real class , Berbatov level sexy stuff but not enough goals and in the end he didn’t take the chances he got.
He really did show glimpses of real class , Berbatov level sexy stuff but not enough goals and in the end he didn’t take the chances he got.
Leeds United 1:1 Man Utd
Good half. Nice pass for the goal, and was our main player looking for forward passes in the 2nd half in attack
Played very well when he came on
Where did that come from?
An excellent 30 minutes.
An excellent 30 minutes.