Judy Munro-Leighton admits that she made false allegations against Brett Kavanaugh

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Never heard of this one. Guessing it was stopped early on? Replies saying that the others were a ploy too:


Hope Munro-Leighton is fully punished. False accusations are disgusting.
 

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Dick move. She should receive some sort of sanction.
 

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Watch this give the GOP a half chance to keep the house.
 

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Which allegation was this? I don't recognise her name.
 

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Yup, this one was ignored by the press because they knew it was bullshit. Now Trump is hailing it as a victory and showing Lab's innocence and it was all a set up.

Firstly, it's disgusting that he would suggest all the women were making it up and secondly this woman is a disgrace because it's false accusations like this that play in to Republicans hands so they can say everyone is making it up.
 

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Very damaging for women who’ve actually been victims of sexual assault.
 

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Very damaging for women who’ve actually been victims of sexual assault.
That was my point, but to be fair, recent events have shown how tough it still is for real victims. I honestly feel like we have regressed back to the 1800's hearing some of the shit from Trump and Republicans and their supporters. It's fecking scary.
 

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That was my point, but to be fair, recent events have shown how tough it still is for real victims. I honestly feel like we have regressed back to the 1800's hearing some of the shit from Trump and Republicans and their supporters. It's fecking scary.
We had never progressed.
 

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She needs to be locked up for society’s safety.
 

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Because it's really hard prove to being a rape victim. Its basically your word vs the abuser's.

To have this woman admitting to being a liar and doing it for her own advantage in fecking national TV, pretty much puts all the women in the same bag (the liars one) in the eyes of the brotherhood of men that is society.
 
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Every woman (& person, happens to guys too) that lies about sexual violence makes it worse for real victims. Already a lot of women are not believed.
Agree that malicious false accusations are truly horrible, but the ammo they give the 'she's lying/wanted it really' crowd is the worst thing. It's like the one outlier false accuser gets vilified x1,000 versus the thousands of guys who get away with rape each day, cos this had a verdict.
 

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There must have been thousands of women around the world looking at this unfolding and starting to feel empowered to act on previous assaults on them. Then this comes out. The affect of her actions is going to force thousands of women into silence when they need to speak up. She should be held accountable and made an example of.
 

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How are people even talking about the fact this might help the Republicans when the woman FALSELY ACCUSED A MAN OF RAPE? fecking hell, this place.
 

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Very damaging for women who’ve actually been victims of sexual assault.
Not sure this is the case. So long as investigators and courts maintain a balanced stance, there's no reason why this needs to have an effect on real victims.
 

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Despicable. Why don't we have stronger laws in place for this kind of thing? It's not like the potential damage to the victim is small.
 

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Not sure this is the case. So long as investigators and courts maintain a balanced stance, there's no reason why this needs to have an effect on real victims.
You wot?

Have you been reading the thread? Or watching the news regarding the Kavenaugh (sham) trial? And the disgusting way Dr Ford was treated? And have you been reading the reports and articles regarding sexual assault victims and rape and how the majority don't come forward because of intimidation, ridicule, scared they won't be believed, or because the men are in a position of power?

While this woman's acts are despicable, saying or thinking all the recent events and coverage won't have knock on effects for real victims is incredibly naive.
 

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You wot?

Have you been reading the thread? Or watching the news regarding the Kavenaugh (sham) trial? And the disgusting way Dr Ford was treated? And have you been reading the reports and articles regarding sexual assault victims and rape and how the majority don't come forward because of intimidation, ridicule, scared they won't be believed, or because the men are in a position of power?

While this woman's acts are despicable, saying or thinking all the recent events and coverage won't have knock on effects for real victims is incredibly naive.
Um.. The Kavanaugh thing wasn't a trial, for starters. Public reaction is what it is, all I was saying that if investigators put this incident in context (it's one person acting badly) this shouldn't have a knock on effect.
 

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To be quite honest I don't really see the impact that false allegations would have, on both the justice system and actual victims of the crime. I think the effect of false allegations is greatly exaggerated.

Rape is a crime. In all Western countries convictions for crimes require "evidence beyond reasonable doubt", putting the onus on the prosecution to prove the defendants guilt. Hence convictions rates for rape are at sub 50% rate (at least in England/Wales). I don't see how false rape allegations would influence that in either direction. As for the victims, why would someone making a false allegations stop someone coming forward with genuine allegations?
 

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Very damaging for women who’ve actually been victims of sexual assault.
Not really. If anything, this case proves the process largely works. All it took was a simple investigation to raise red flags and eventually get her to admit it was false. No credible media outlet would have gone anywhere near this story. Most of us would have never even heard of it if the Repubs weren't keen to share.

The case shows it isn't easy getting false allegations to stick.
 

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How are people even talking about the fact this might help the Republicans when the woman FALSELY ACCUSED A MAN OF RAPE? fecking hell, this place.
It's a terrible thing to do, obviously. It's also a shame that for a lot of people this will probably vindicate a man who almost certainly is guilty of sexual assault and who now sits on the supreme court
 

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Despicable. Why don't we have stronger laws in place for this kind of thing? It's not like the potential damage to the victim is small.
Because where does the burden of proof lie? It’s already known that the success rate of these cases is very low and the actual reporting rate even lower. What if the genuine victims deliberating over coming forward also had to contend with the possibility that a weak case in court could result in them having to deal with a counter case where they are under prosecution themselves.
 

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Um.. The Kavanaugh thing wasn't a trial, for starters. Public reaction is what it is, all I was saying that if investigators put this incident in context (it's one person acting badly) this shouldn't have a knock on effect.
To be quite honest I don't really see the impact that false allegations would have, on both the justice system and actual victims of the crime. I think the effect of false allegations is greatly exaggerated.

Rape is a crime. In all Western countries convictions for crimes require "evidence beyond reasonable doubt", putting the onus on the prosecution to prove the defendants guilt. Hence convictions rates for rape are at sub 50% rate (at least in England/Wales). I don't see how false rape allegations would influence that in either direction. As for the victims, why would someone making a false allegations stop someone coming forward with genuine allegations?
1. Stats and records show otherwise. Sexual abuse cases and rapes are one of the lowest reported, prosecuted and convicted crimes.

2. People won't look at just this lady making a false allegation, they will look at the whole sorry mess and look at what Dr Ford was subjected to and had to endure, they will look at the public humiliation and treatment of her and the distrust and they will look at how so many closed ranks around the man involved.

Two wrong don't make a right and this woman is disgusting, but this man has been accused by other extremely credible women. I find it disgusting that is being forgotten and more people seem concerned with the fact he's now the victim of the false allegation. That's bullshit imho.
 

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1. Stats and records show otherwise. Sexual abuse cases and rapes are one of the lowest reported, prosecuted and convicted crimes.
Right. And what's the link between what you mentioned and false allegations? Because I can't find anything credible. I'm here to be convinced. How does this case have any significant bearing on how judges and jury see the next case?

Sexual assault and rape claims are notoriously hard to get convictions for because 90% of them are perpetrated by persons known to the victim and unless it was violent in nature there can be very little forensic evidence. How would a handful of false allegations have any impact on the process of this?

I think I read a statistic that said there are 90-odd thousands sexual assault claims a year (80k towards women, 12k towards men) and of those only 35 are false allegations. While about 40% of those that end up with charges being filed end up in conviction. The number of false allegations are quite insignificant to the number of reports and number of convictions, so what makes you think they have any more gravitas than the convictions or affect the due process?

The case of Kavanaugh is a very politicised case, so anything coming off it would be used by the GOP or the Dems to make political capital. That's to be expected to a certain extent.
 

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Stupid bitch but for every false allegation made against a man there are hundreds of credible allegations that go without investigation.
 

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How are people even talking about the fact this might help the Republicans when the woman FALSELY ACCUSED A MAN OF RAPE? fecking hell, this place.
Literally one reply in this thread was along those lines. And none since your comment. It's hardly damning or indicative.
 

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How are people even talking about the fact this might help the Republicans when the woman FALSELY ACCUSED A MAN OF RAPE? fecking hell, this place.
Despicable. Why don't we have stronger laws in place for this kind of thing? It's not like the potential damage to the victim is small.
Yeah, because Kavanaugh is still the victim here.
 

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Right. And what's the link between what you mentioned and false allegations? Because I can't find anything credible. I'm here to be convinced. How does this case have any significant bearing on how judges and jury see the next case?

Sexual assault and rape claims are notoriously hard to get convictions for because 90% of them are perpetrated by persons known to the victim and unless it was violent in nature there can be very little forensic evidence. How would a handful of false allegations have any impact on the process of this?

I think I read a statistic that said there are 90-odd thousands sexual assault claims a year (80k towards women, 12k towards men) and of those only 35 are false allegations. While about 40% of those that end up with charges being filed end up in conviction. The number of false allegations are quite insignificant to the number of reports and number of convictions, so what makes you think they have any more gravitas than the convictions or affect the due process?

The case of Kavanaugh is a very politicised case, so anything coming off it would be used by the GOP or the Dems to make political capital. That's to be expected to a certain extent.
Proven false allegations give Trump and his supporter base more reasons to cry about the massive problem of women falsely accusing men of sexual miconduct (a problem that only exists in their worm infested brains). This in turn leads to these idiots accusing victims of lying, which makes it even worse for victims to come forward.
 

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Right. And what's the link between what you mentioned and false allegations? Because I can't find anything credible. I'm here to be convinced. How does this case have any significant bearing on how judges and jury see the next case?

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I never said it would have any effect on how a judge or just see a case. I said the whole shitshow will deter real victims from coming forward.
 

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Yeah, because Kavanaugh is still the victim here.
We live in a complicated world where you can be a victim and perpetrator at the same time. Particularly when you're talking about entirely separate events.

It seems unfathomable to me that he wasn't involved in the sexual assault described by Blasey-Ford, a truly disgusting act. But he is also the victim of a disgusting act here. Or so it appears.
 

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Proven false allegations give Trump and his supporter base more reasons to cry about the massive problem of women falsely accusing men of sexual miconduct (a problem that only exists in their worm infested brains). This in turn leads to these idiots accusing victims of lying, which makes it even worse for victims to come forward.
I haven’t heard anyone reputable mention a “massive problem of women lying”. Correct me if I'm wrong. That sounds a bit like a strawman to me. The argument that women, on very rare occasion, lie about this is why people claim that due process is important. Because our legal system works on the premise that it’s better to let 100s of guilty people walk free than put 1 innocent behind bars. That’s the most vocal argument I heard against the #BelieveWomen movement, rather than an exaggeration of the amount of women lying.

The public vilification of alleged victims was (sadly) always going to be the case in a highly political and publicised case such as Kavanaugh’s. Doubting the credibility of the victim is also the de facto stance of any legal defence, since otherwise it's admitting guilt. You make an accusation against anyone you got to be prepared to be called a liar, in court at least.

The core issue with Kavanaugh's case, as with Stormy Daniel/Trump's, is that there has always been a problem with coming forth with allegations against someone powerful. Because they can turn the screw on the victims in more ways than one. I think that's generally something we need to look at as a society. Cases like this get heavily publicized and mobilize trolls and harassers and can make lives hell for the accusers, while the money/power of the accused is in itself a protective barrier. If that person is in politics it's even worse because it becomes a partisan issue.

I never said it would have any effect on how a judge or just see a case. I said the whole shitshow will deter real victims from coming forward.
But why though? Why would a genuine victim be put off by the cases of false allegations? I mean I would be put off by the low conviction rates, for sure, but why would the handful of false flag cases deter me. If the argument is because it emboldens those who will call you a liar then, as mentioned above, if you make allegations you will be called a liar by the defence and have to prove the defendant's guilt.
 
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I haven’t heard anyone reputable mention a “massive problem of women lying”. Correct me if I'm wrong. That sounds a bit like a strawman to me. The argument that women, on very rare occasion, lie about this is why people claim that due process is important. Because our legal system works on the premise that it’s better to let 100s of guilty people walk free than put 1 innocent behind bars. That’s the most vocal argument I heard against the #BelieveWomen movement, rather than an exaggeration of the amount of women lying.
Obviously, people who aren't brokebrained know it's not a real problem. However, a (hopefully) small but vocal part of the population, including the US President, seem to believe that it is. High-profile instances like these only serve to reinforce their belief that women lying is a common occurence. While it might not result in a different reaction towards a victim who comes forward, the regressive brokebrains banging on about all the women that lie to ruin men could very well strengthen their fear of being called a liar, thus making them more reluctant to come forward.