I wouldn't say more complete until he starts producing the assist numbers Ozil has been the whole decade, he certainly has the bigger goalscoring threat though. Also Ozil was rapid at his peak, don't think you can easily say Havertz is quicker than Ozil. Both have a very languid style that unpins their true speed (I too thought Havertz wasn't particularly quick).
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Özil was/is quite fast but he was never one of the fastest in the leagues he's played in. Havertz is and the competition in the Bundesliga isn't the slowest, currently.
Example source (they're quite easy to find): https://www.bundesliga.com/de/bunde...keit-hakimi-havertz-laimer-bebou-bormuth-1275
Özil never appeared in such statistics so I think it's save to say that Havertz has a significantly better top speed than him. Acceleration is harder to measure, though.
Is he definitely coming to United?
From looking at old articles one quoted Ozil's top speed at 34.4 km/h while at Arsenal (maybe his speed was higher at Madrid), not much of a difference between the two.
I mean, top speed is obviously not the go to criteria, but while 0.6 km/h seems to be a minor difference, I think it is actually quite a margin since 34.4 km/h won't even get you into the top 20 - and that by a considerable margin. 34.4 probably wouldn't even be enough for top 30. Just for comparison, the difference between position 20 und position 3 is around 0.6 in the Bundesliga this season.
I can't see him coming to United. Atleast with Sancho, you've got the English connection but with Havertz, I can't see what would make us an attractive proposition? Not doubt we are one of the biggest clubs in the world but that's not enough these days to attract the top talents of the world.
Has he said anything about wanting to play in the Premier League?
In the past decade, how many top German players came to the PL while in their prime?
Ozil? Sane? Rudiger? Ballack wasn't in his prime, but still a really good play in his own right. Podolski wasn't very good at Arsenal. Very slim pickings thus I'd be extremely surprise if Havertz came to England.
Ozil? Sane? Rudiger? Ballack wasn't in his prime, but still a really good play in his own right. Podolski wasn't very good at Arsenal. Very slim pickings thus I'd be extremely surprise if Havertz came to England.
I’m pretty sure at some point he did name drop us in an Interview and I’m sure he has said he is open to playing abroad.
Personally I no longer see us making a move for him given we have Bruno. I don’t think there will be many people that can buy him this summer either so unless Chelsea decide to do something or City I don’t see him moving to the prem and I don’t think Madrid and Barca have money.
The ones that Bayern didn't want basically.
Would love him here. But seems nailed on to be going to Bayern though.
Havertz at 20 for 100M looks like a steal compared to our usual spending? Would buying Kroos or Ballack have given us 100M in value at that age? Sure!
Edited to add that it's not like Ozil or Schweinsteiger would not have been bad either for that much. Who are the Germans this highly rated at 20 who weren't worth a 100m? I was gonna include Draxler as a negative but he scored 12 in 56 at 19 and 20 and Havertz just put up 28 in 60 same timeframe, so that seems worlds apart on that score alone, never mind Havertz being bigger and stronger and a cleverer playmaker, though perhaps not the dribbling or being quite as 2 footed as a young Draxler.
Edited to add that it's not like Ozil or Schweinsteiger would not have been bad either for that much. Who are the Germans this highly rated at 20 who weren't worth a 100m? I was gonna include Draxler as a negative but he scored 12 in 56 at 19 and 20 and Havertz just put up 28 in 60 same timeframe, so that seems worlds apart on that score alone, never mind Havertz being bigger and stronger and a cleverer playmaker, though perhaps not the dribbling or being quite as 2 footed as a young Draxler.
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So basically every big club wants him... cool.
Don't see where he would fit in unless Pogba leaves, we have bigger issues than another attacking midfielder.
Don't see where he would fit in unless Pogba leaves, we have bigger issues than another attacking midfielder.
Where would he play?
Really reminds me of an athletic young Berba. And we struggled to accommodate him.
Where Bayern tell him to. He isn't coming here.
Dream signing. Better player/more potential than Sancho (who I’d prefer to have for other reasons) in my opinion. We won’t get him, though.
Havertz has scored most of these goals when Leverkusen were in good form under Bosz. It's a bit like buying a player from Dortmund, he's obviously very talented, but you have to discern how much of that performance is the player himself and how much is the highly functional attack he's a part of.
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He is not better player than Sancho.
Two different types of players. Both would be great in one team!
I don't see that he would really fit in with us, positionally or in terms of playing style. Very good player who will cost whoever buys him a lot of money.
With Ighalo hanging around for cover for a bit, the only attacking player we should be thinking about at the moment is Sancho.
With Ighalo hanging around for cover for a bit, the only attacking player we should be thinking about at the moment is Sancho.
If we hadn’t signed Fernandes I’d be all over this but assuming Pogba stays (which is looking increasingly likely) then I’ve no idea where he would fit in.
Maybe the United coaches know that Pogba will eventually leave, possibly next season, and may want to make a early move for Havertz and take advantage of the current financial issues many clubs are facing.
Bayern seem to be putting all their effort into signing Sane, and don't seem to be in the running for Havertz in the up coming transfer window. I feel it would make alot of sense in signing Havertz from a United perspective for the reasons given above.
I can see us sign both Havertz and Sancho easily with the over draft we've taken out in recent weeks. Money paid over several seasons is a very real possibility and is something we can do for both players.
Bayern seem to be putting all their effort into signing Sane, and don't seem to be in the running for Havertz in the up coming transfer window. I feel it would make alot of sense in signing Havertz from a United perspective for the reasons given above.
I can see us sign both Havertz and Sancho easily with the over draft we've taken out in recent weeks. Money paid over several seasons is a very real possibility and is something we can do for both players.
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I'm being a fan boy here but IF he came, how do we fit him in???
minutes that would go to Mata and Andreas at number 10, sharing with James & Greenwood on the right, or the minutes that would go to Lingard as a false 9.
I doubt there is anything in the link, but there is always room for a very talented and versatile a player like this.
He could play as the #8, #10 or as the right sided attacker. He would get plenty of games and it would make our squad alot stronger.
Surely bollocks unless Pogba is off. The last thing we need is Havertz after signing Bruno.
Bruno and Havertz can comfortably play together. Havertz as the #10 and Bruno as the #8. Havertz can also play as the #8.
But I do agree it is a signing dependant on the future of Pogba.
We need one more atackin minded midfielder and Havertz is better option than Grealish Meddison etc. He can play as #10, #8, false 9, even at wings and he will play a lot of games even Pogba stays. Sancho and Havertz in one window is porn.
Maybe we are in discussions with both Sancho and him this will give us options while negotiating, if we get one great if we get both we are back in the running to be contenders. I reckon this lad will end up at Bayern . However this summer is a great opportunity to close the gap on our rivals and signing those two would be an incredible window .
You have only fueled my flames of getting this guy. Hahaha
It wouldn't surprise me at all if we signed both Sancho and Harvertz. I think the club is gonna sign Sancho and one more attacker.
Yea, where to fit in Pogba. But our chance is this year, next year Bayern will go all out to get him.
How much is he probably going to cost?
I think United will put the money down for Havertz if he's willing to join us. He's a player that Ole might feel is someone we must sign if the opportunity presents itself. Both Sancho and Harvertz could be signed comfortably with instalments paid over several years.
I'm of the opinion, United are gonna exploit the current situation and make a couple of huge moves with Sancho looking nailed on.
As long as we agree on a safe word...
I would say first season let’s assume Pogba stays.
So Havertz would be a rotated No10 and at a push No8 but assume Pogba leaves and he’s had a year to settle in and can take the uppermost midfield position and Bruno moves into that No8 role.
It could work but we all Know it won’t happen.
I just can't see Havertz happening. If it does, well Pogba is moving on then and we'll have Bruno playing deeper. Bayern want this guy and wouldn't want to miss out like they did with Sane. Better chance of us getting Grealish in my opinion or this is all just a hoax and we are just looking at Sancho since the board only likes to get one deal at a time.
Just don't see this happening this summer with Pogba staying. Can't begin to believe. Would be a bit tasty though.
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