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It's like people are just forming opinions on a whim these days.
It's like people are just forming opinions on a whim these days.Keane joins Sky Sports
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The intresting thing about this debate was the Liverpool midfield wasn't even mentioned.
I've never ever had a discussion about a team being one of the best without one of their midfield players being the best.
I've said it many times, there are 6 players that make this Liverpool team. You take 2 of them out for a long period (6 or more weeks ) and you will see it come crumbling down.
Utd won the CL without Keane and Scholes.
Could Liverpool win the CL without VVD and Mane ? No chance.
I've never ever had a discussion about a team being one of the best without one of their midfield players being the best.
I've said it many times, there are 6 players that make this Liverpool team. You take 2 of them out for a long period (6 or more weeks ) and you will see it come crumbling down.
Utd won the CL without Keane and Scholes.
Could Liverpool win the CL without VVD and Mane ? No chance.
Anyway, Keane has been on fire lately 
He's great fun. As soon as he smirks I'm cracking up.
Also seems to be praising United more. I wonder if someone had a word in his ear to lighten up as I swear he wasn't like this for ages. Unless he's just become more comfortable in front of a camera.
He's great fun. As soon as he smirks I'm cracking up. Also seems to be praising United more. I wonder if someone had a word in his ear to lighten up as I swear he wasn't like this for ages. Unless he's just become more comfortable in front of a camera.
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If we’re talking about the last two seasons then I think both seasons of Mane are better than what Giggs contributed after 22 yes, Ginola no, Pires yes maybe, Giggs had 20 years at the top that’s more than Ronaldinho and Kaka, even double, it doesn’t mean he attained the heights they did does it?(Neither did Mane, I know) if were judging players on the length of their careers and honours then Giggs is top 5 player of all time, ahead of Ronaldinho, Figo, Kaka, Best, Romario, Weah and so on, the truth is though he didn’t reach the levels of these players which is the argument, not that he had a better career overall, if you burst into the scene as a 18 year old the best 18 year around and still playing 20 years later at a good level for one of the greatest managers and teams of all time the chances are you would have had a better career than all but a handful of footballers.
You are completely undermining Giggs' ability and putting his legacy down to longevity only. Giggs was a phenomenal player.
Can we just have a Mane v Giggs thread and quit debating it on here ?
Sick of every thread on here being taken over by pointless debates on a different topic .
Sick of every thread on here being taken over by pointless debates on a different topic .
How what the hell? Argue with the points mate. I never said he wasn’t one of the best wingers of our times not once, his greatness is down to longevity and natural innate ability, and ability wise there are few players who could match him, saying that there is nothing wrong with arguing that he never reached the heights of certain players who burnt brighter and quicker, that’s why I named Kaka Ronaldinho etc these players had better peaks than both Mane and Giggs, but maybe for 4-5 years at a time, just so you can understand what my line of reasoning is.
Yes, you keep bringing other players in to the debate. Saying that Ronaldinho was better than Giggs doesn't back up the argument that Mane is. So what does Mane do, that makes him better than Giggs?
Nothing , I’m wrong bored just wanted to argue.
Mane 2020 > Giggs 99.
Giggs overall > Mane overall.
Giggs overall > Mane overall.
He’s my all-time hero, bar none. I’ll defend him until the cows come home.Anyway, Keane has been on fire lately
Also seems to be praising United more. I wonder if someone had a word in his ear to lighten as I swear he wasn't like this for ages. Unless he's just become more comfortable in front of a camera.
What a player. What a leader. What a man.
He was my favourite player for a while as a kid. He was when I saw him score against Fiorentina after Batistuta scored that screamer.
I was right up at the top of the north stand.
Beckham corner to Keane volley at 3.37. Giggs cross to Yorke header for the last goal. The golden years!
How anyone can watching videos of the way we played at this time and think Liverpool now are better I dunno.
Did you ever see Giggs play, and I don't mean when he was approaching 40, I mean throughout his 20 year career at United?
If you had watched the hundreds of games that Giggs played you would not think twice about picking him ahead of Mane. Giggs was the ultimate team player and played in a 442 system with far more defensive responsibility than Mane. In a 433 he would surely be most peoples choice.
We had an entirely different system and in fact Giggs was our outlet in many a game when he would literally run the length of the pitch with the ball transforming the dynamic of the game when we might have been on the rocks to dominating. Not only that he adapted to being playmaker in central midfield and could have been a messi type centre forward if we didn’t have the need for someone to patrol the left side and complement Eric and sparky in our revolution. He also took on a free role in numerous matches adopting a give and go / pass and move with a level of artistic flair and nuance that mane could only ever dream of.
Ryan Giggs is the most decorated player of all time. No contest. Mane - brilliant player But give me a break. Ask any manager in the world who they would choose it’s not coincidence that Giggsy was the one thing fergie had in common with almost every trophy
We had an entirely different system and in fact Giggs was our outlet in many a game when he would literally run the length of the pitch with the ball transforming the dynamic of the game when we might have been on the rocks to dominating. Not only that he adapted to being playmaker in central midfield and could have been a messi type centre forward if we didn’t have the need for someone to patrol the left side and complement Eric and sparky in our revolution. He also took on a free role in numerous matches adopting a give and go / pass and move with a level of artistic flair and nuance that mane could only ever dream of.
Ryan Giggs is the most decorated player of all time. No contest. Mane - brilliant player But give me a break. Ask any manager in the world who they would choose it’s not coincidence that Giggsy was the one thing fergie had in common with almost every trophy
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Yes. I’m not 16.
I find the whole comparison to be poor,imo.
For starters ,and this is just the basics,would Mane be as effective playing as an out-and-out wide player like Giggs and starting attacks from his own half ?
And would Giggs perform as consistently effective as a left side forward ?
For starters ,and this is just the basics,would Mane be as effective playing as an out-and-out wide player like Giggs and starting attacks from his own half ?
And would Giggs perform as consistently effective as a left side forward ?
My liverpool supporting brother has been telling me for 31 years that man for man liverpool have had a better squad then United. He also thinks this is the greatest premier league season to date. Never mind that a 20 point gap between 1st and 2nd says more about the state of the league this year then it does about liverpool's supposed greatness.
From my experience liverpool fans tend to be the most sensationalist and narrow minded when it comes to the quality of their players. The fact that it's a combined XI yet not one midfielder from liverpool is even considered by Carragher says it all about the silliness of it all but two players from today's liverpool sounds about right.
Right now we have every liverpool wanker looking to rub everyone's face in it while every top club outside of them and Leicester are having a mare of a season. That's what liverpool supporters do and when their cycle finishes they will regale about the greatest team of all time who finally won the league with the extra 6 points they get of Everton every season. cnuts
From my experience liverpool fans tend to be the most sensationalist and narrow minded when it comes to the quality of their players. The fact that it's a combined XI yet not one midfielder from liverpool is even considered by Carragher says it all about the silliness of it all but two players from today's liverpool sounds about right.
Right now we have every liverpool wanker looking to rub everyone's face in it while every top club outside of them and Leicester are having a mare of a season. That's what liverpool supporters do and when their cycle finishes they will regale about the greatest team of all time who finally won the league with the extra 6 points they get of Everton every season. cnuts
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That’s the way I see it. The goals help for Mane but Giggs was one of if not the best winger I’ve ever seen. If he got the ball with space in front of him it was terrifying. Same with Mane now.
Mane has contributed 27 goals this season in 32 games. we are only in Feb. Its hard to compare them because maybe Mane plays more advanced but he has better numbers than anything Giggs hasMane better
Mane is practically a forward.
A better comparison to Giggs would be actual wide layers like Mahrez or maybe even Salah.
A better comparison to Giggs would be actual wide layers like Mahrez or maybe even Salah.
Being 17 doesn’t make you the dogs bollix young man.
Never in a million fcuking years. 99 wasn’t even Giggs best year either.
The length of people’s memories nowadays is bewildering.
Mane is a great wide forward. He’s not in the same league as Giggs. Mane is tearing shit up in one of the worst PL periods of all time, playing in a position that didn’t even exist when Giggs played his best football. Goals and Assists are far easier to come by now for that kind of player. Trotting out stats as so many people do is just daft.
They beat Barcelona 4-0 without Salah and firmino
Apples and pears both tactically and time-wise trying to merge a 4-4-2 with a 4-3-3 and comparing single seasons versus whole careers. For example, if it's single season only, I'd take Alison ahead of Schmeichel and Yorke ahead of Firmino, whereas career wise it's the other way round.
Actually,with how they set-up, Mane is probably more comparable to Rooney in 08 when we also played with 3 interchangeable forwards.
Its like comparing Ronaldo to Beckham and claiming the former as the better wide player when Ronaldo ,in his best seasons, rarely played as wide as Beckham nor as deep.
Its like comparing Ronaldo to Beckham and claiming the former as the better wide player when Ronaldo ,in his best seasons, rarely played as wide as Beckham nor as deep.
Don't different time periods/formations have to come in to play when discussing Mane and Giggs? Players like Bale, Hazard, Mane, Salah, Rashford etc play much more aggressively than Giggs, Figo, Ginola etc (with those players you probably get about 150 career goals over 15-20 years)
It's a bit like the 90s midfielder (and a bit further back). Nowadays every midfielder has to have his specialised role as a defensive box-to-box, deep lying playmaker, attacking midfielder, pure defensive midfielder etc. when the likes of Vieira, Keane, Ince, Effenburg, were really expected to do a bit of everything to a very high standard. Player roles and demands change.
It's a bit like the 90s midfielder (and a bit further back). Nowadays every midfielder has to have his specialised role as a defensive box-to-box, deep lying playmaker, attacking midfielder, pure defensive midfielder etc. when the likes of Vieira, Keane, Ince, Effenburg, were really expected to do a bit of everything to a very high standard. Player roles and demands change.
Let's compare with our eyes. That's the best way. You can't compare stats in completely different set ups at completely different times in what is now a completely different league.
Okay, so which year would you pick to say ‘Giggs > Mané 2020’? It’s not even about 99. What about 2002 then? Or 98? Or 2006? If the answer is consistently ‘no’, then what does ‘overall’ mean? Mané obviously hasn’t retired yet, buys he has been at this level for more than 2 years now.
Crouch played at the top level till about 38 and Van Basten retired at what, 28, yet it’s clear who is better. Mané is at higher level than Giggs was for me, Balloon level, which Giggs wasn’t.
Don’t get me wrong, Giggs’ longevity is remarkable. But he’s more of a ‘Lifetime achievement’ award winner than ‘Best Hip-Hop’.
Mane and Giggs have totally different roles but Giggs was by far the superior footballer , so much better in so many different skills , pace,dribbling,passing, awareness, and could play so many different roles. It is really hard to compare the United 99 team to the current Liverpool . Much easier to compare United 08 to this Liverpool and for me none of Mane, Firmino and Salah get in that team ahead of Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo .
My point is, even of that second list, Figo was a Balloon winner, Ginola was a PL Player of the Year winner if I’m not mistaken. I’m not talking exclusively of goals here, simply level. It’s always hard discussing retired players on here, in comparison to current ones, especially retired United players, as their careers are summarised into a 10 minute highlight video without flaws. Especially when they win lots of trophies. Giggs was a very inconsistent player in truth. Not just in 99, but in 98, 2000 and whatever and the other years. Now all he is is a wizard who did nothing but terrorise full backs and create goals every week.
What plays slightly against Liverpool this season is the fact that their competitors have been cr*p.
The level of quality this season in both the champions league and premier league is not as strong as what the 99 team had to deal with.
Imagine that 99 team against these current premier league teams where most of them are average to poor defensively, just compare 2nd in the league now in man city to arsenal 99 in terms of defensive capabilities, talk about fill ya boots.
Imagine that 99 team against these current premier league teams where most of them are average to poor defensively, just compare 2nd in the league now in man city to arsenal 99 in terms of defensive capabilities, talk about fill ya boots.
What we saw last season was 1st and 2nd win game after game, finishing with 97 and 98 points respectively, the league has never seen anything like it.
Also that same Arsenal did nothing in Europe.
Roy Keane, some man for one man.
I’m not sure if you have MUTV, but you will be horrified if you watch our games from the 90s back again. The PL was a terrible standard, and I’m almost a little embarrassed for our success sometimes when I see some of the goals we scored and the standard of defending.
Without doubt the PL is as good as it’s ever been right now. Below the better few teams was a load of absolute rubbish that wouldn’t make the PL at all today.
Giggs created or scored a goal in every other game for over 900 games for us, so he wasn't far off.
@GifLord Please can we get gifs of just Keane reacting to Giggs not being included in Carragher’s team, and then Keane when responding with how many goals Giggs scored and looking like a scolded schoolboy. Glorious faces.