Keir Starmer Labour Leader

[Jippy]

You could borrow it on long term bonds. We did 100 year bonds for the borrowing related to fighting WW1. Obviously the record low borrowing available over the last decade of Tory rule has ended so I am not sure of the exact extra costs involved.

Ultra-long dated bonds would be a very tough sell in an inflationary world too. Even when the Russian situation and supply issues are sorted, decreasing short-term inflationary pressures, longer-term drivers like the road to net zero and deglobalisation will keep inflation higher than than the last 10-15 years.

No idea how you'd renationalise Utilities without either being fleeced or becoming an international pariah to whatever degree.

 

[Smores]

Ultra-long dated bonds would be a very tough sell in an inflationary world too. Even when the Russian situation and supply issues are sorted, decreasing short-term inflationary pressures, longer-term drivers like the road to net zero and deglobalisation will keep inflation higher than than the last 10-15 years.

No idea how you'd renationalise Utilities without either being fleeced or becoming an international pariah to whatever degree.

I know little about competition laws but couldn't the government quite easily nationalise a failing provider and then undercut the other providers?

 

[Zlatattack]

I know little about competition laws but couldn't the government quite easily nationalise a failing provider and then undercut the other providers?

There is currently a campaign to nationalise Bulb energy.

 

[Zlatattack]

https://weownit.org.uk/act-now/nationalise-bulb

 

[Frosty]

https://weownit.org.uk/act-now/nationalise-bulb

They will ignore that, even if it gets 10m signatures.

The only petitions Government have to respond to are the UK Parliament ones.

Which people who start these things really should be told.

(Not trying to shoot the messenger!)

 

[Jippy]

I know little about competition laws but couldn't the government quite easily nationalise a failing provider and then undercut the other providers?

I'd have thought it could take on a failing utility in one sense, to ensure ongoing services for its customers, but no idea if it could just write off its debts.
I guess it could potentially undercut providers - state subsidy laws are EU rules it could ditch - but I'm sure it would face legal challenges and complications.
The fractured state of the market is a problem- Bulb isn't a producer, it just sells gas on I believe, so the government would also have to pay through the nose to buy the gas for its customers.

 

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[Frosty]

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[Dobba]

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[Frosty]

That is meant as a joke but I know people who have done that for that reason.

Why should they give away well over £100 a year to an organisation that seemingly isn't trying to help them?

 

[Frosty]

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[neverdie]

the conservatives winning the next election should be about 10000/1. only two things will make it possible. starmer being starmer and some kind of economic recovery that has never happened in the history of the universe. which means it's less relevant to me if they win; much more relevant is what they plan to do. which they have no policy on as of yet.

 

[Frosty]

Concerning in a number of ways that this hasn't been bumped in a month. Probably indicative of what Labour has or has not been doing.

Anyway, let's restart it:

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[Fluctuation0161]

Concerning in a number of ways that this hasn't been bumped in a month. Probably indicative of what Labour has or has not been doing.

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Should go full PR. Our "democracy" is broken.

 

[711]

Concerning in a number of ways that this hasn't been bumped in a month. Probably indicative of what Labour has or has not been doing.

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Brown got a lot more right than wrong in my opinion, but I'll wait for a legit version before considering it. Leaks are so often bollocks by journalists desperate to make copy, even the likes of 'the guardian has seen' variety.

 

[Drifter]

The Labour Files: The Purge I Al Jazeera Investigations

 

[Sweet Square]

Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663

 

[Pexbo]

Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663

Read the room mate Jesus Christ

 

[TwoSheds]

Why does he never do joint appearances with Rayner? Would look great for unity and you'd see little elements of all the things that might appeal to you in the Labour party, whether that's vacant suit politics or fiery, left(ish) politics. Can they really not stand each other so much that they can't pretend to be matey and agree with each other a bit in a joint interview?

Rayner came across Okish in her interview attacking the budget but it's very striking that it takes her to come out and attack it while Starmer hides somewhere. It's an utterly bizarre strategy if that's what it is. Surely they could practice playing nice with each other on such a big topic.

 

[Frosty]

Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663

Priorities.

 

[711]

Why does he never do joint appearances with Rayner? Would look great for unity and you'd see little elements of all the things that might appeal to you in the Labour party, whether that's vacant suit politics or fiery, left(ish) politics. Can they really not stand each other so much that they can't pretend to be matey and agree with each other a bit in a joint interview?

Rayner came across Okish in her interview attacking the budget but it's very striking that it takes her to come out and attack it while Starmer hides somewhere. It's an utterly bizarre strategy if that's what it is. Surely they could practice playing nice with each other on such a big topic.

Good points.

 

[maximus419]

Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663

Had brexit not happened there is no chance labour would be doing this.

It's worrying that they feel the need to show more patriotism than the Tory's. I know for the past 4 or 5 years every Tory MP has appeared on TV with the Union flag prominently on display, sometimes with a pic of the queen, but I think labour going down that road looks as cynical as it obviously is.

This could have the opposite effect and turn off many voters, including those who are already fairly pro Labour. As another posted said, read the room, this is neither the time nor the place.

 

[Sweet Square]

He said that the funeral represented the passing of an era, adding: "The dignity, courage, spirit, selflessness and good humour Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II showed throughout her reign will always be with us.

"We are lucky to call ourselves Elizabethans."

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[Frosty]

Spoiler

Do you think they will pay tribute to the dignified way she ensured race relations laws didn't apply to Royal Palaces?

 

[Sweet Square]

Do you think they will pay tribute to the dignified way she ensured race relations laws didn't apply to Royal Palaces?

Wouldn’t rule anything out

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[Pexbo]

Wouldn’t rule anything out

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Corbyn right again

 

[sun_tzu]

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I mean even the leader of the Labour republican movement thinks its reasonable to sing the anthem to mark the death

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63024360

 

[sun_tzu]

Corbyn right again

Why is that antisemite even commenting on Labour Party issues... he should be concentrating on running as an independent or sorting his own party out

 

[Pexbo]

Why is that antisemite even commenting on Labour Party issues... he should be concentrating on running as an independent or sorting his own party out

CANDY MAN
CANDY MAN
CANDY MAN

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Why is that antisemite even commenting on Labour Party issues... he should be concentrating on running as an independent or sorting his own party out

When will you learn...

"Antisemitism issue used as ‘factional weapon’ in Labour, report finds"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tional-weapon-labour-party-forde-report-finds

 

[nimic]

an odious not guilty individual? or are you libeling him as a criminal on a public forum (when he has a £90k legal fund ready to go)

Oh wait, that's not about Corbyn, that's about Darren Grimes.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I voted for Labour under Corbyn twice in general elections, I wish he'd won, I wish we had a very left wing Government.

The fact is though England is a naturally right wing country, people do not trust socialism , they seem to think the Tories are the rightful default party of Government and they generally loathed Corbyn. A large part of that is because of the power and dominance of the right wing media.

I really don't think it helps when people keep bringing Corbyn back up. It's over, he was given a ridiculously tough ride by the Media I know but the fact is he presided over the worst Labour election defeat in 80 years. For Labour to get in power they have to toe the line and walk a very fine line, it's shit but it's how it is. For example, Starmer on the picket lines would have pleased a lot of labour voters but the right wing press would have had a field day with it and millions of in the middle voters would have been turned away from Labour.

Lets just get rid of the Tories and go from there, that has to be the main priority and like him or not Labour look a million times more likely to win now than they did under Corbyn.

 

[neverdie]

he was given a ridiculously tough ride by the Media

the labour party, the parliamentary labour party, purposefully conspired against its own leadership throughout two general elections.

let's just forget about that and elect those same people, though.

Labour look a million times more likely to win now than they did under Corbyn.

brilliant. all of those pledges he made when he became leader, before he purged the party, will help transform the country.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

the labour party, the parliamentary labour party, purposefully conspired against its own leadership throughout two general elections.

let's just forget about that and elect those same people, though.


brilliant. all of those pledges he made when he became leader, before he purged the party, will help transform the country.

Fine, don't vote for Labour then and let's have another 12 years of the Tories, and not just any Tories but Liz Truss super far right Tories.

The internal fighting with Labour is infuriating.

 

[neverdie]

The internal fighting with Labour is infuriating.

maybe it needs to be destroyed. reconsidering what happened from 2015-19, you could come to worse conclusions. it isn't infighting that saw starmer drop all his pledges. it's labour, as it exists in its centrist plp form, that's the problem. it's not labour, but a centrist liberal death cult. if the only option is to play the american game of "can't let them get into power" then i don't care. that's a system and party which needs to die if that's all it can offer.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

maybe it needs to be destroyed. reconsidering what happened from 2015-19, you could come to worse conclusions. it isn't infighting that saw starmer drop all his pledges. it's labour, as it exists in its centrist plp form, that's the problem. it's not labour, but a centrist liberal death cult. if the only option is to play the american game of "can't let them get into power" then i don't care. that's a system and party which needs to die if that's all it can offer.

Look I imagine my politics are very similar to yours. I'd love a proper left wing Government, if the option was Corbyn as PM or Starmer as PM I'd want Corbyn to win every time.

I just think it's been 12 years now of The Tories, and they're getting more and more right wing each leader they choose and more and more dangerous. You aren't going to change the system from the opposition.

 

[neverdie]

You aren't going to change the system from opposition.

you aren't going to change it from non-opposition either. starmer is the system. he's offering nothing. he's the culture war's choice in an economic disaster. an aesthetic alteration. i'd still prefer labour to win, sure, but that preference grows smaller by the day. they offer less and less.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

you aren't going to change it from non-opposition either. starmer is the system. he's offering nothing. he's the culture war's choice in an economic disaster. an aesthetic alteration.

He's better than the Tories. You're not going to vote then anyway I take it so there's no point.

My hope is they have to go in with the Lib Dems who force PR on them.

 

[neverdie]

He's better than the Tories.

basically everything alive is better than the tories. that's such a low bar to set. but is he better than the tories to the thousands of people he's expelled? probably, which tells you something, but it's also not going to be clearcut which tells you something else. not sure i could vote for this iteration of labour, no.