They probably don't have the backing of a certain number of MPs which you need. Alot of the MPs who have asked to resign seem to be from the latest cohort with a few exceptions. There are a number of other politicians who are very competent - Darren Jones for example but he won't charismatic enough to be PM
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A cough, a death rattle, a sickle being dragged towards the podium?
This isn't something you can go that deep into. Asking someone running or planning on running in election what there plan is to solve [insert issue they are complaining about] is the most basic thing in politics surely?
Or is "I don't like this so vote for me if you don't either" enough?
The populist right get a free pass to say as they please without having to back up anything they say. It's easy street for them.
Starmer says he won't quit. Given how ambivalent I continue to be on Starmer as leader, I am seriously rooting for him to not succumb to the myriad pressures coming his way especially from the media and resign
So he didn't accept the role of Shadow Home Secretary in Corby's shadow cabinet?
This is revisionist history.
I think Miliband will come into the equation at some point. He has broad support on the left but he also has some support from the right of the PLP.
In my opinion, he is probably the one that can challenge Starmer, win and there not be an immediate pyschodrama within the PLP following him becoming PM. In some ways, he would be the safe pair of hands as I think he could start using the majority Labour have to start pushing out policies.
The problem with Miliband however is Public perception. Anyone to the Right seem to dispise him and even centre voters seem iffy on him. In my opinion, this could potentially change if he gets enough time and can bring the PLP to heel and get things moving. Would be a risk but I think he makes the most sense.
I deny strongly the rumour I am Sir Kiers grandad....but I did serve my time as a toolmaker
Miliband went for the job too early, he's far more equipped for the job now but you rarely get a second chance.
The right only hate him because they're idiots who think he's responsible for fuel prices being high. Then again these people are never voting Labour, it's probably healthy that the next candidate is despised by the right.
You're probably right with regard to forgetting about the right to centre. Equally Miliband could make way into Green votes that are still primarily focused on environmentalism. The more I think about it, the more he makes most sense. However, as you say people typically don't get a second shot.
Refused to speak to ministers who had questions after the meeting apparently. Not a good look.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
I have no idea why these MPs even want him to resign. There is no credible alterative waiting, it won't do anything for Labour's long term ambitions, and i think him going would only have a mild impact on the polls.
Im no fan of Starmer, but im not sure what they actually want to happen here? Having him resign without a serious plan in place will be a complete waste of time, will it not?
Im no fan of Starmer, but im not sure what they actually want to happen here? Having him resign without a serious plan in place will be a complete waste of time, will it not?
New yougov poll has Labour in third place.
Yes he did, it would have sunk him with the left if he didn't. However he was already tuned to returning North to build his kingdom...and he has done well.
At the earliest opportunity after Corbyns annilation at the GE, even after amassing a higher number of votes....and still losing!
Andy saw the writing on the wall for Labour forming a government in the forseeable future and fled North.
Then along came Starmer.
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That is actually one of the things Labour has got right because the number of people crossing is down by over 30% this year.
It would be brilliant if Labour was able to reduce the numbers to a trickle before Farage gets in.
He would have to come up with some other policy which when you have made a career about the boats would take some doing.
That is assuming they can stop the dinghies.
That is actually one of the things Labour has got right because the number of people crossing is down by over 30% this year.
It would be brilliant if Labour was able to reduce the numbers to a trickle before Farage gets in.
He would have to come up with some other policy which when you have made a career about the boats would take some doing.
Correct.But this has taken on a life of its own and it will be almost impossible to turn the tide now.
Things are going well!
The anhiliation where they got the most votes since 1997? The one where they took only 0.75m fewer votes than the Tories, 3.5m more than they got at the previous GE and 3.1m more than Starmer's Labour got in 2024?
Is that year on year? There are clearly more crossings as we get to better weather.
It was clear that if Labour had focused on this, it would have had a big effect on the electorate.
How many gangs has Starmer smashed?
Saw on BBC this morning, a question to an MP (can’t remember who it was) that they weren’t doing this for the country or for the good of anyone, the only thing that matters is for them to try and keep their job and their salary.
It’s a really obvious point, and especially for the class of 24. Clearly money doesn’t matter to the likes of Miliband - but self preservation will be the no 1 goal for many MPs.
Yes, how many seats did they get?
This is the classic left compliant... "ooh look how close we came" ..all our supporters can now enjoy that rosey-glow,.... we meant well, even if we let down millions of working people...yet again!!
Jess Phillips has resigned and called for Starmer to go.
He's finished. He was finished months ago, when we were all waiting for the electoral death nail in the coffin.
Now, as most people expected, the knives are out and more than enough MPs have said he has to go. They needed a reason, too, and waited until they predictably got it. But, whatever the detail one wants to put forth and back, the man is done.
Now, as most people expected, the knives are out and more than enough MPs have said he has to go. They needed a reason, too, and waited until they predictably got it. But, whatever the detail one wants to put forth and back, the man is done.
Agreed, he is a terrible choice. However, whenever I see him appear on Nick Ferrari's show (I know), the viewers are full of praise and lap him up as being "tough", "sensible" and speaking "common sense". There's a portion of the electorate who would warm to him - just seemingly not Labour voters.
They were more popular than this lot. Our ridiculously outdated electoral system got Starmer into power. It was a house of cards that is now falling.
They had the opportunity to "move the dial" with the massive majority and get everyone on board. But they never had any intent to move it more than a slight turn. Just kept the same show on the road.
They can push through whatever legislation they want. Turn that dial up to the max. Why haven't they done it?
Streeting is a cnut, the guy won't even hold his own seat in the next election.
The Victims Minister has resigned.
He is probably the cnut needed to be outspoken against Reform though. I think Labour need a bit of a cnut that isn't afraid to give it back, personally.
https://www.wesforleader.com/ launched about half an hour ago allegedly.
Bond markets are seemingly backing Starmer and threatening the economy if he gets dumped.
Free market democracy is beautiful.
Free market democracy is beautiful.
Is this now the playground equivalent of the kid who owns the football taking it home because his team are losing?
In all seriousness, as hopeless as he is I genuinely don't think I would trust a single other Labour MP to do a better job. The quality of UK politics is at a generational low when grifters like Farage and Polanski can be seen as viable alternatives.
In all seriousness, as hopeless as he is I genuinely don't think I would trust a single other Labour MP to do a better job. The quality of UK politics is at a generational low when grifters like Farage and Polanski can be seen as viable alternatives.
Not wanting to speak to Wes Streeting is probably the most in-touch Starmer has been with the electorate
Labour's backbench parliamentary committee blocked from seeing PM, BBC understands
The group asked to see him, as it is their job to represent the views of backbenchers - but No 10 refused.The committee is made up of around half a dozen MPs and some peers, elected by the Parliamentary Labour Party.
It usually meets weekly with the prime minister when he is in Westminster.
This Streeting thing is madness. Even if he wasn't the snivelling little cnut he is, everybody knows he's not long for this world. He survived by the skin of his teeth against a tiny lady with almost no political experience running independent and no name recognition. Are we seriously saying that Wes is going to be able to turn the tide across the country when he barely held his own constituency in a Labour landslide victory.
I'm guessing it's his links to Mandelson and all the most disgusting Epstein adjacent tech oligarchs, that gets him any kind of positive coverage.
I'm guessing it's his links to Mandelson and all the most disgusting Epstein adjacent tech oligarchs, that gets him any kind of positive coverage.
When someone posts the Claude AFTV meme of 'he's got to go' about Keir, then I know it's real.
No, my issue is that you're repeating this nonsense anhiliation claim and in doing so, misrepresenting the reality. Love him or hate him, he was able to muster up a lot of support and did it by laying out a vision for what he wanted for the country.
It comes as absolutely no surprise to me that a leader that managed to draw 3,000,000 fewer votes than that supposed anhiliation is up against the ropes after less than 2 years in charge. The vision was never there and neither was the support.
That's because he's a Tory, just like Ferrari and everyone they allow to get through on the phones. It's set up for moments like this to give a false sense of support for a man a handful of Labour Together plotters want to inflict upon us, but who came within a whisker of losing his seat to a 23 year old independent in 2024.
I suspect the changes in law that will be required to overcome the inertia on the 'dial' are part of the change in constitutional precedence that will be required. This involves 'timing' as well as content. Starmers past experience as the senior law officer have to be trusted on this. It is not something the general public will want to know, or necessarily in some cases approve, e.g how to prevent future acts of 'nimbyism' from thwarting land and construction development, in particular regarding house building.
Another 'biggy' are changes in and development of employment law; this will take lots of time and effort and as far as employers are concerned, must not 'frighten the horses'; the economic situation is key to this and as yet its nowhere near good enough and any meaningful movement now to develop a new Social contract with employers, it would take too long and allow too many 'side steps' to be taken that even a massive parliamentary majority could not force through. This has to be in the second term.
One of the most difficult but necessary movements of the dial will be on education, from pre-school through to tertiary levels and beyond to continuous development/lifelong learning facilities and life time learning plans to help the public understand and engage in, e.g. AI and things as yet undiscovered/developed. This is another 2 term target maybe be even a third term.
Perhaps the one area they can move forward on more quickly is NHS/Welfare 'joined up system' approach... and with currently the aim to reduce waiting lists they are already 'at it'. This again takes money and significant changes in working practice which Streeting has been set up to lead... of course if he gets tempted to go for the PM job... it will be back to square one.
So much of the underpinning work required for all the above is currently in a 'latent' situation, its not always obvious and clear; what is clear is that from a constitutional stand point, a lot of dead wood and trench digging needs to be done first.
The main thing is of course the economy; that means everybody needs some extra cash in their pocket/bank account beyond what the need to live, to feel they can progress/move forward. That in turn means Reeves and Starmer have to be ruthless in how they managed the money that is available, in a much fairer way, but with non of the usual 'give-away's' to lull people into a sense of improvement that isn't really happening.
Its going to be a tough job, I suspect out of the current Labour heavyweights only Starmer can 'move the dial' but he will have plenty of scars on his back (from his own side) and will have to'bob-and-weave' with such as Farage, to accomplish it.
Of course this is not immediate, not for everybody, only the under 30's will truly benefit.... if the dial does get moved
My understanding is that it is compared to last year.
But surly it is not up to Starmer. He is just the leader, for now.