Exactly that
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
- Thread starter Damien
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Have you ever asked yourself why this failed if it was so attractive?
I agree a lot of what JC put forward found favour not just with Labour voters but elsewhere, in many cases because anything was better than what the Tories had delivered.
It failed because he/or his entourage tried to put forward too much; at first people were interested, then as more and more ideas and promises rolled off JC's bandwagon, the reaction changed, the realisation became that this was impossible to achieve.
It then became a situation where the uninitiated began to ask... "are these people living in the real world." There was a point when crucially the ones who questioned this momentous itinerary, who also occupied the voting positions/constituencies who were enabled to deliver a Labour victory, decided this was 'beyond the pale' and the vote for Labour in the crucial areas never materialised.
It was classic Labour 'fumbling' at the important moment. Starmer came in and put that right, he used the obvious message that 'anyone but the Tories' would play out so too he added something more attractive. 'we need change'. Which of course everyone agreed with, who wouldn't at the stage?
Hardly surprising mid sentence. Tbf there was a loud applause at the start and and a standing ovation at the end.
Nothing says we understand and we're listening nore than carrying on as normal with fingers in your ears. I do wonder if they're just stalling for Burnham to be honest, the alternative is his paymasters what more from him before he resigns. You've got to feel for those who have bought influence not getting their money's worth.
The Iran war ending and England winning the world cup might improve Labours polling (at least these things usually correlate) so maybe he's hoping for that.
The Iran war ending and England winning the world cup might improve Labours polling (at least these things usually correlate) so maybe he's hoping for that.
How much he loves getting that bit of info out too. What the hell are we doing?
I think you're misunderstanding the point I was making. That a loss by a small margin cannot reasonably be described as an anhiliation, especially when seen in context and where unfavorable comparisons can be made when putting the figures next to each other.
But in terms of why it failed - we all know why it did, and the people within the Labour party who ensured that happened are now dealing with the consequences.
Matter of time, surely.
Why was he looking around the room for one? And why did he leave a big gap in the middle of a sentence. Who else does that?
It’s beyond a shambles at this point. The resignation letters are just a joke.
Probably astro turfed. I think even people who agree with him would find him unlikable.
The only qualification needed to be a politician is to be a spineless coward with the ability to backstab when required.
Hopefully he's gone soon, he has zero interests in normal working families, he just wants power and to rub shoulders with the elites.
I'm not even into politics and he still winds me up.
Hopefully he's gone soon, he has zero interests in normal working families, he just wants power and to rub shoulders with the elites.
I'm not even into politics and he still winds me up.
Hopefully the first thing Burnham does is build New Trafford with public money
His speech is on YouTube …nothing particularly odd about it
No one likes them, might as well do something useful!
Of course, him resigning as Mayor could have a detrimental effect on the grand plan. One hopes not, as it would be transformative for the area - and is exactly the type of projects the country should be investing in.
You should be banned for calling it that
Auld Trafford I'd go for personally
I give the next person 8 months.
For me, the detrimental effect would be who might come in to replace him as Mayor. We could end up with some Reform chancer.
It is the fate of labour governments, (or non governments) that had not won an election in the previous four attempts. Until Starmer arrived.
If what we have seen today with a rough 100/80 split in the government PLP it will be the final reckoning and the outcome will be that working people of this country will have no realistic representation in government for best part of the next two decades.
and a reform govt afterwards.No mandate was the siren call, dragging the ship onto the new election rocks.
Ye Olde Trafford - Built with a faux Tudor timber frame exterior and a thatch roof.
You participated in a genocide and empowered Epstein's best friend, you fecking evil cnut.
He’s not though, is he. This hyperbolic nonsense is the politics of extremism.
I don’t like Starmer either, I think he pussied out on trans rights and a bunch of other stuff. But nobody in their right mind would argue he’s a “fecking evil Cnut”
Of course he is. Anyone that endorses Israel in light of the genocide is an evil fecking cnut.
Endorsed and assisted. And criminalised people who spoke out against it.
Wrong wrong wrong.
Israel today is the worst embodiment of humanity.
The whole country.
Murder kids = check
Rape prisoners of war = check
Continue an illegal land grab = check
I could go on but there may be a limit for length of post on here.
Put in simple terms Israel is committing genocide daily, the majority of that country agrees with what is happening and Israel deserves to be ostracised from the global community for decades.
Scum.
This is crazy how enmeshed Keir Starmer and Labour Together are in apartheid Israel, throughout it's genocide. These are Labour Party people, these are Starmer's guys:
No surprise to see the Starmer method of justifying cutting off electricity and food from a starving population repeated in the diary.
Starmer would not be out of place in the Fabian Society...." the inevitability of gradualness"
Looks like Starmer's coming out 'swinging'...his 'ganders' up alright.....
Go for the body Sir Keir.... the 'head will fall'
Go for the body Sir Keir.... the 'head will fall'
What?Looks like Starmer's coming out 'swinging'...his 'ganders' up alright.....
Go for the body Sir Keir.... the 'head will fall'
Starmer is clearly not going to walk away, and why should he, when he took over the party it was a 'dogs breakfast'?
Looks like Andy is not going to get his coronation, and Labour will have shot itself in both feet.
Labour collectively is about to waste a massive parliamentary majority, which could have 'moved the dial', for working people... OK not immediately, but over two terms.
Now (even if there is some sort of 'coronation') the government will be lucky if by the end of this year whoever is the PM, if it does not lose a 'vote of No confidence' ...and if it somehow survives to 2029, will get 'pulverized' in the GE .
Unless of course.... Sir Keir can find that knock 'out punch'!!
I feel like you speak almost entirely in metaphors and it makes me very confused.
It's a completely unnecessary indulgence.I feel like you speak almost entirely in metaphors and it makes me very confused.
I feel like you speak almost entirely in metaphors and it makes me very confused.
Very similar to how my father in law, purveyor of english literature texts the missus and me. FIL, is that you?
Hope this helps:I feel like you speak almost entirely in metaphors and it makes me very confused.
Starmer says he intends to fight off any challenge to his leadership and since he was the one who rescued the party after the last GE defeat when it was in a political mess, he believes he deserves the chance.
Andy's challenge for the leadership will involve others and cause an internal struggle fought out in public and which will work against Labour with the population.
Labour currently has a massive majority, much more than any previous Labour government, but no PM will be able to get them to all vote for the same thing; so the opportunity to make major changes that would have been of benefit to the working population, over the next ten years or so, will be missed.
Even if there can be some sort of change of leader without an internal struggle, the party will be forced on the defensive by its opponents and if the splits in the PLP continue, the government could face a vote of no confidence, not once but on everything they get defeated on, or have to pull out more 'U' turns to get a victory.
If Starmer comes out of the fight for leadership stronger within the PLP than he went into this battle, there are signs that Andy, as the assumed front runner, will get into trouble (as he already has), lose his mayoral seat as well.
And the metaphors have been copied and pasted onto pretty much every page since the start of this thread with no change or pause to consider reality.I feel like you speak almost entirely in metaphors and it makes me very confused.
*)There is expected to be a leadership challenge if Andy wins his seat Y/N?
*)Starmer did bring in Labours biggest commons majority in living memory Y/N?
*)Any leadership battle will be on full public view and is expected to cause Labour even further problems, whatever the outcome Y/N?
*)With the size of its majority the Labour government has should have been able to make real changes to the way the working population are treated ( quite possibly over the time of two parliaments), this is now in real jeopardy, because it appears the old 'LvR' divisions, are affecting the way PLP members vote Y/N?
*) Even if the battle for leadership is less stressful, the government will be weakened and no confidence votes will loom, anytime there is a split in the PLP ranks
*)Starmer could very well come out of this battle stronger, if he does, Andy will have to make his way back the best way he can Y/N?
He won't come out of it at all. He's almost certain to be out of Downing Street by the end of the year and I expect him to lose his seat the next time it's contested.
The public are divided on many things, but the dislike and distrust of Starmer is one of the few uniting factors.