What I've learnt is that it takes 10 years to move a dial.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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To be fair, it's especially hard when you're not even trying.
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"Wishing and hoping...and thinking and praying...and planning and dreaming....wont get Starmer out of No 10...Et tu..Brutus(Andy)...said Sir Keir
No, I'm not FIL... but you should always listen to father-in-law's, whether they are communicating in metaphors or not...my father-in-law's favourite was..... " I know, because I've lived longer than you.. and I fought in Korea".
Ooooh... its a bit lonely now on this thread.
Are you still there Sir Keir; if so keep swinging, ducking and diving.... that's the way?
Also give all those ''new' first time Labour MP's (who you got them the best job they have ever had) a 'tug'. I know there is no loyalty in politics, but give them some 'squeaky--bum time' experience anyway.
Good luck
Are you still there Sir Keir; if so keep swinging, ducking and diving.... that's the way?
Also give all those ''new' first time Labour MP's (who you got them the best job they have ever had) a 'tug'. I know there is no loyalty in politics, but give them some 'squeaky--bum time' experience anyway.
Good luck
Looks like its RIP KS.
Kicking out the leader who won you a landslide after two years because he has become unpopular seems a bit too Tory for me.
At least we can start another list of ways AB lets us down before the next election.
Kicking out the leader who won you a landslide after two years because he has become unpopular seems a bit too Tory for me.
At least we can start another list of ways AB lets us down before the next election.
I don't know how many times we need to state this, but Labour won a landslide on the back of the death of the Tory party and the splitting of the votes on the right. They won 600,000 seats less than at the previous election and it had the lowest turnout in 20 years.
Basically the landslide was achieved in spite of Starmer, not because of him. He was already fairly unpopular. I know a fair few people like myself who changed the habit of a lifetime and did not vote Labour due to his leadership.
UK parliament doesn't have 600,000 seats.
I don't know how many times it needs pointing out but less people voted Conservative to stop KS than did so to stop JC.
If Labour had piled up votes in safe seats and lost but Starmer got more votes over all you would be happy?
Oops. Votes is what I meant. Not seats.
And what would make me happy is a Labour leader that respects the party's roots as being aligned with workers and doesn't deliberately split the party in two by having an authoritarian right-leaning leadership and telling anyone who disagrees with him to leave... And then wondering why nobody supports him any more.
Basically someone who isn't incredibly thick.
Well your cup is certainly half empty. Or maybe even completely empty. He might actually do well.
I was joking about the negativity/criticism being PM brings. I hope he does well if he takes over.
Granted I’m a very casual observer of British politics, but I really don’t understand how sitting PMs can be ousted so frequently.
It's largely because they're so frequently utterly shit. Bit like Watford managers really.
The humiliation continues
That plus numerous scandals. Just a competent one would be fine.
There are lots of social and economic reasons for it but also it's not unfair to say everyone in British politics(Regardless of ideology)is self serving or quite stupid.
Cameron: voted in in 2010. Resigned in 2016 after his own disasterous Brexit referendum gamble blew up in all our faces. Basically buggered off and left us to pick up the pieces. Enter...
Theresa May: Called an early general election to strengthen the Tory majority in parliament. Backfired when millions more people than expected voted for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party. Largely down to this, she failed to get her Brexit deal through Parliament. So she resigned. Enter...
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson: Got Brexit done, but spectacularly mismanaged the COVID crisis, partied while people died and looked the other way when a sex pest friend of his roamed Parliament. This was the scandal that broke the camel's back, and eventually he resigned. Enter...
Liz Truss: One of the thickest MPs of all time was inexplicably voted as leader. Within a month she'd killed the queen and raised everyone's mortgage and rent payments by hundreds of pounds a month. Survived by a lettuce when she resigned. Enter...
Rishi Sunak: so fatigued were the Tories with constant leadership elections, none of them - bar Penny Mordant for an afternoon - could really be arsed to contest Sunak's bid for it. And so low on talent were they that the best they could offer was a billionaire ex-city banker who came up with the idea of 'Eat out to help out' in the middle of a pandemic. It also emerged he didn't even know how to use a contactless debit card. Eventually, even he had to admit he was shite and called a general election. Enter...
Kier Starmer. Got in on the back of a huge majority for Labour in 2024. Proceeded to absolutely blow it. Will supposedly resign on Monday.
Hey but at least we avoided chaos under Milliband!
The UK and The US.You brits know how to pick them
Such an awful pool of politicians over the last decade.
Oh, we certainly dodged a bullet there!
Be interesting to see how Burnham manages that particular relationship.The humiliation continues
I give it about 3 weeks before Trump is tweeting that Burnham never won an election and is a fake prime minister etc etc
What if they only think they align with workers and are incredibly thick like JC?
How the hell is it possible to not know how to use a contactless debit card?
Not everyone, but a large number!
In the end politics is a dubious profession and for all involved it's eventually a matter of self preservation.
All PM's 'run out of road' some more quickly than others
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If you're so detached from normal society that you haven't done your own shopping for two decadeds, and never really spend time with ordinary people, it's easy to remain oblivious to the way that everyday life functions for the remaining 99.9% of folks.
Streeting is counting on it....he will be keeping a dossier ... gathering the case for the 'next domino to fall', watch your back Andy!
Oh Keir, if only you had stuck to your 10 leadership pledges.
The ones he was elected off the back of? Seems such a simple idea, doesn't it?
The new guy seems even worse? He has no agenda, no experience and was a nobody until he won a constituency!?
Kier is a good man imo - certianly better than most alternatives. People want quick solutions to long term structural problems compounded by BREXIT. Ultimately we know where this is all heading and you know WHO will end up as PM.
Kier is a good man imo - certianly better than most alternatives. People want quick solutions to long term structural problems compounded by BREXIT. Ultimately we know where this is all heading and you know WHO will end up as PM.
Assume a parody?
Both in terms of Kier being a ‘good man’ and then of Burnham being both a nobody and having no experience?
Fair to criticise him for not having a plan and for parachuting in but you’ve just made up the rest. Try google.
Many decades from now, the story of this period of history will be the damage done by the financial crisis, this in turn leading to the UK leaving the EU, and then the impact of the Covid pandemic.
None of the individual PMs matter or will be remembered by anyone bar dedicated historians or as trivia questions. They're just a series of ultimately inconsequential leaders the UK cycled through as it struggled to deal with those broader shocks.
He ended fourth on leadership election when Miliband won and then lost to Corbyn later. Then became the mayor of Manchester where he did very well. Definitely not a nobody.
Him being a good man is just a personal opinion and just a relative comparison to the 'leaders' we currently have around the world. As for Burnhman, I stand corrected.
My main point is that regardless of the personnel, the problems UK faces are just structural - there is no quick fix. UK spends more than it collects in tax revenue and is no longer the world leader it once was i.e. it can't raise unlimited amount of money via debt markets as Truss found out. So there are two fixes - increase growth or cut spending. Politicans will never cut spending until forced by the IMF and as for growth, how can you expect companies to invest in an economy where you get new leadership every year. What gives!?
Popular policies, wouldve kept the labour member numbers reasonably high too. But he had to lie about the pledges and purge the party.
The alternatives look pretty uninspiring to be honest. Might wind up a case of careful what you wish for. May was rubbish but still much, much better than those that followed.
There is a prevailing idea that the UK is quite well-off, but we really don't have much money. If we were a US state, we'd be the very poorest, with GDP per capita on par with, or slightly behind, Mississippi (and well behind Mississippi if you discount London). This is the underlying cause of a lot of our problems - when people aren't doing well, even when they're working hard, they are naturally going to look for someone to blame. For a while, the target of our animosity was the EU. Now it's largely immigrants. But popularist charlatans like Farage do not have the answers to any of our problems and Brexit has only made matters worse, wiping 6-8% off the economy.
The last 10 years has mostly been characterised by PMs trying, and failing, to grapel with this problem, against a back-drop of increasing political polarisation.
The UK is a >4 trillion dollar state. The US entire GDP is not 40 trillion, or if it is, it is barely that amount. And there are more than ten states in the USA. Therefore, the UK clearly cannot be the poorest US state if it were measured that way. It's mathematically impossible.
Was a thoroughly indecent, man. Starmer will be stained in the blood of women and children for the rest of his life. A genocide supporter and a staunch defender of the Epstein gang.
He was also a shit politician that broke all his election promises on the domestic front.