Keith Andrews

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Surprising choice. Not a fan of clubs appointing managers, who were previously coaches under the previous regime. I know it worked out well with Thomas Frank, but more often than not it always ends in disaster. Plus he was the set-piece coach, which makes it even more surprising.

Risky appointment, and with Mbeumo going, it could be a relegation battle if it doesn’t pay off.
 
I'm going to quite confidently predict that this will end up going horribly wrong.
 
Bookies had Kieran McKenna as favourite not too long ago. Seems they don't want to reinvest the money they got from Frank from Spuds to pay for McKenna's rumoured release clause.

Very bold of Brentford but it will give them continuity in a sense.
 
will Damien duff join his back room staff? Resigned from Shelbourne yesterday after winning the league last season
 
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Wow, that name is a blast from the past. I remember when he played for Blackburn. He wasn't very good.
 
A high risk low reward appointment, although even if it goes tits up I expect them to have more than enough to stay up .
 
I think something like this could make sense for Brentford. They obviously rate him highly but I imagine a main factor they are hoping for us some sense of continuity whilst such big changes are happening.

Of course it will ultimately depend if he's up to the job but considering how many managerial appointments fail anyway, I can see why they want to give a chance to someone they know and trust.
 
They finished 10th in an extremely poor Premier League this season and the season before they finished what, 15th, 16th?

I don't think he'll get them relegated, as long as they still continue that moneyball strategy somewhat successfully.
 
I bet Sean Dyche will be managing there very soon
 
I said elsewhere that Brentford where someone I predicted to be in a real relegation scrap this season. This makes me even more certain of it. This is incredibly risky.
 
I’m sure Frank will have had his say on who he recommends but this doesn’t seem the right call. I like Brentford, they’ve really embraced the PL and had a right go. I’d want a more renowned manager to have his hands on the Mbuemo money though.
 
If He's anywhere near as good at managing as he is at being a set piece coach He will do well. I noticed while playing Brentford they destroyed United with set pieces.
 
I'd be surprised if he lasts more than a couple of months in the job. The idea of promoting from within working again seems a bit too sentimental
 
dogwithabone said:
I’m sure Frank will have had his say on who he recommends but this doesn’t seem the right call. I like Brentford, they’ve really embraced the PL and had a right go. I’d want a more renowned manager to have his hands on the Mbuemo money though.
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I don't think Brentford would let him near the money, they don't work like that.
 
Will probably be a steady enough "more of the same" candidate.

The bigger question for their near future is how they spend the Mbeumo money. I can't quite see Schade or Carvalho stepping up to fill that level of production.
 
He'll probably be the first manager to be sacked.

Cannot seeing this ending well at all.
 
Let's ask Roy Keane his opinion:
If I can make one point about the new Irish staff.
I've heard a lot of bullshitters over the last 10 years and Keith Andrews us up there with the best of them.
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It would be nice if this sort of 'continuity hiring' would work in football, allowing teams to build something that can outlast a manager who gets nabbed by a bigger club. On paper if the new guy is talented it feels like it should be a sensible approach.

The problem is coaching isn't just about being good at it. Even a good coach will have to endure a spell of bad results and/or performances and that's when being a 'name', either from your previous coaching work or as a former top-level player, is important, because it buys you more time with the dressing room and the boardroom. As soon as things look a bit rum for Brentford six games in a row, players will be doubting their former set-piece coach's ability to get them back on track. And execs will be wondering if they shouldn't have splashed out on some Bundesliga hotshot after all.
 
Brightonian said:
It would be nice if this sort of 'continuity hiring' would work in football, allowing teams to build something that can outlast a manager who gets nabbed by a bigger club. On paper if the new guy is talented it feels like it should be a sensible approach.

The problem is coaching isn't just about being good at it. Even a good coach will have to endure a spell of bad results and/or performances and that's when being a 'name', either from your previous coaching work or as a former top-level player, is important, because it buys you more time with the dressing room and the boardroom. As soon as things look a bit rum for Brentford six games in a row, players will be doubting their former set-piece coach's ability to get them back on track. And execs will be wondering if they shouldn't have splashed out on some Bundesliga hotshot after all.
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Thomas Frank was an internal appointment who won 1 in his first 10 matches. None of the players or execs doubted him and he wasn’t fired after 6 matches. You’re creating a scenario that already happened and they didn’t do any of that. Brentford don’t just pin everything on the manager.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Thomas Frank was an internal appointment who won 1 in his first 10 matches. None of the players or execs doubted him and he wasn’t fired after 6 matches. You’re creating a scenario that already happened and they didn’t do any of that. Brentford don’t just pin everything on the manager.
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Different circumstances. Brentford were doing pretty well when Dean Smith left and they were in the Championship. Brentford stuck with Frank when others may not have but if Andrews has a similar start from the beginning of the season in the Premier League, he will be under far more pressure. Brentford have become a fairly established Premier League side now.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Thomas Frank was an internal appointment who won 1 in his first 10 matches. None of the players or execs doubted him and he wasn’t fired after 6 matches. You’re creating a scenario that already happened and they didn’t do any of that. Brentford don’t just pin everything on the manager.
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You make a fair point. But to be fair Frank had three years as head coach at Brondby under his belt before Brentford. Andrews has never been a head coach. He wasn't even assistant coach at Brentford last season, he was set-piece coach. The two situations aren't the same.

Ultimately I'm all for it if players and board think they have the right man for the job and show the trust to back him.
 
Wolves academy graduate nicknamed the crab due to his ability to pass only sideways. Brentford must trust him to be up to the job.
 
MsNuno said:
Wolves academy graduate nicknamed the crab due to his ability to pass only sideways. Brentford must trust him to be up to the job.
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Andrews was a limited player by elite standards but also better at football than most elite managers? Playing ability does not equal managing ability.

“I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first” - Arrigo Sacchi
 
CM said:
Different circumstances. Brentford were doing pretty well when Dean Smith left and they were in the Championship. Brentford stuck with Frank when others may not have but if Andrews has a similar start from the beginning of the season in the Premier League, he will be under far more pressure. Brentford have become a fairly established Premier League side now.
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Brentford just finished 10th, the second highest position they have ever achieved in their existence. They are during more than pretty well now.

Brentford have become an established side exactly by following their principles which don’t include sacking managers after 6 matches or hiring the likes of Sean Dyche or Bundesliga hotshots.

Since their current owner bought the club they’ve made several internal managers & a significant of managers with it as their first manager role.

In that time they’ve gone from League two to established in the Premier League having never been relegated. It worked with Frank, it worked with Warburton, it has worked for nearly 20 years as Benham consistently made outside the box appointments. There is nothing to suggest he will fold quickly to pressure or will regret not hiring some foreign manager with more experience. In fact the one time they did hire a more experienced manger from the Netherlands, it was a disaster as he didn’t fit their very detailed structure which goes far beyond a head coach.
 
Potentially losing Norgaard and Mbeumo very shortly. Big losses for a new manager
 
limerickcitykid said:
Brentford just finished 10th, the second highest position they have ever achieved in their existence. They are during more than pretty well now.

Brentford have become an established side exactly by following their principles which don’t include sacking managers after 6 matches or hiring the likes of Sean Dyche or Bundesliga hotshots.

Since their current owner bought the club they’ve made several internal managers & a significant of managers with it as their first manager role.

In that time they’ve gone from League two to established in the Premier League having never been relegated. It worked with Frank, it worked with Warburton, it has worked for nearly 20 years as Benham consistently made outside the box appointments. There is nothing to suggest he will fold quickly to pressure or will regret not hiring some foreign manager with more experience. In fact the one time they did hire a more experienced manger from the Netherlands, it was a disaster as he didn’t fit their very detailed structure which goes far beyond a head coach.
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They've just lost the manager who had them punching above their weight and will imminently be losing their best player too, to appoint somebody who has never managed before. Hardly contentious to acknowledge this is a huge gamble.

You've misunderstood the point I was making. Frank had a bit of a buffer because he took over mid-season in a team that was already doing pretty well. If Andrews starts next season badly, there's no hiding place. 1 win in 10 for him would tell in the table and the pressure would be big - especially given the context of last season.

Brentford have followed a data led model for a long time but if next season starts miserably, they'll do the same as all other underperforming teams and make a change. It would be naive to think Andrews would be exempt from that.
 
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Seems like a nice chap and I wish him well but he feels a bit like he's trying too hard to show the players how relaxed he is. I imagine the cameras don't help and it was really silly of Brentford to allow this much access so early for an inexperienced manager.

Brentford don't really have any big names so hopefully for him no issues with egos.
 
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