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Wrong again on two counts. De Bruyne scored the 1-0, it ended 2-1, so Lukaku's second goal is the "winning goal". It wasn't the first time we reached the QFs as we played a semifinal in Mexico 1986. Get your facts straight mate.
Yeah I was mistaken.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
You could have just said you never watched Beckham play, especially at his best, will be interesting to see how many people actually watched Beckham week in week out (the ones who are making posts with lot of confidence on the player's abilities).
 

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You could have just said you never watched Beckham play, especially at his best, will be interesting to see how many people actually watched Beckham week in week out (the ones who are making posts with lot of confidence on the player's abilities).
Poor attempt at dismissing the argument, since it is a false statement anyway.
 

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Poor attempt at dismissing the argument, since it is a false statement anyway.
If you’re claiming that Beckham wasn’t athletic then you know little about the player. He was one of the hardest working and fittest players I remember. He ran up to 16km in a game. It’s hard to compare him with KDB because of stylistic differences in the eras but I think he’d be able to play the role that KDB does highly effectively. He’d be perfect in this era where players are required to run their asses off.
 

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Poor attempt at dismissing the argument, since it is a false statement anyway.
You sound so sure, anyway they're different players (bekhams kind is almost extinct now) but to claim kdb is on a another level is frankly absurd, bekham had incredibly quality and probable had a ballon d'or worthy season something which kdb has failed to accomplish.
 

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Poor attempt at dismissing the argument, since it is a false statement anyway.
Dude your profile says you are 31, when Beckham was playing at his peak you didn't even hit teens. Now are you going to say you watched him week in week out to tell how good or bad he was? So a Barca fan in his pre-teen days watched Beckham regularly? Yeah, power of internet, everyone makes cocksure posts without even watching players.

Or all your rating is based on his playing days for PSG and Milan?

Like @Classical Mechanic said, if you think Beckham wasn't athletic then you never watched him play. You just read about his celebrity status and assumed he is someone who was jogging around the pitch when he was always one of the hardest worker in any team.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
peak beckham came second in the balon dor in the 99 treble winning season, only to rivaldo and many people believe he was robbed. How can you win a treble and be so influential in it and not? You could argue he was our best player during that season and you have a point. We wouldn’t of done the treble without him, that’s for sure.

beckham was a perfectionist, he very rarely put a foot wrong on the pitch, he read the game very very very well and would nearly always make the right decision. He played it simple, he played it complicated. He played football the way it should be played. People think of him purely as a ball specialist but he wasn’t, he had a engine on him that would be up and down the pitch for 90minutes. He never stopped and he never gave up. He had a mentality where I have never seen another player receive the abuse he got after the World Cup red card, burning hanging effigys, the newspapers printing dart boards with his face all over them, bullets in the post, death threats, stalkers.. it was ridiculous but he came back stronger and better. People don’t talk about his mentality on the pitch, they talk of roy keane but beckham was right up there. He played with grit and steal that is overlooked with him. He could also beat a man too.. he just lacked a little bit of pace. Beckham with giggs pace would of been other worldly!

He has the sweetest right foot I think I have ever seen, the balls he would play were just ridiculous and as a dead ball specialist your hard pushed to find better. He was actually a all rounder for people who really really watched him, pretty strong across the whole game. He was world class for sure. I’d take a beckham on the right wing over anyone in all honestly.. if your a striker and you see him providing balls, your getting goals.

your right though, de bruyne is exceptional too but there is a argument to be had by people who watched beckham play week in week out. I think beckham had more finesse and I don’t agree that de bruyne is more athletic with a better engine. Becks had that. He had a lot more in his locker than many people realise.

people really underrate him imo. He was so so good.
 
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Dude your profile says you are 31, when Beckham was playing at his peak you didn't even hit teens. Now are you going to say you watched him week in week out to tell how good or bad he was? So a Barca fan in his pre-teen days watched Beckham regularly? Yeah, power of internet, everyone makes cocksure posts without even watching players.

Or all your rating is based on his playing days for PSG and Milan?

Like @Classical Mechanic said, if you think Beckham wasn't athletic then you never watched him play. You just read about his celebrity status and assumed he is someone who was jogging around the pitch when he was always one of the hardest worker in any team.
my above post has just said the same thing.

one thing beckham had was a engine. He would be up and down the pitch for 90 minutes, never ever would you see him just jogging about on the pitch. He’d attack, he’d defend. It’s such a BS narrative with him that he could only cross balls and take free kicks, he was so so good.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
I agree that de Bruyne edges it and I love Beckham.

But you seem dismayed that there might be a bias towards Becks.

On a United forum.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
No one will be convinced if you claim athleticism as KdB's maintrait over Beckham. Beckham was with Park (Evra a good subcandidate too) probably the most running players seen at United. More than KdB I'd say. Not sure you've watched Beckham more than a couple of games
 

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His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...
I know you've had about 5000 replies to this point, but I think it's worth clarifying. Beckham had an incredible engine and would likely have topped the distance covered charts every week had they existed in his day. De Bruyne is a bit quicker and can accelerate into those dangerous positions more easily. Physically they both bring a lot to the table for creative players, but in different ways.
 

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Does not winning a CL hold his reputation/rating a tiny little bit back like it did with Zlatan?
 

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They should be made to watch that again. Hilariously bad.

Can't believe KBD has already been 7 years with City, by the way. Time flies.
Just needs the curb your enthusiasm music to go along with it. £50m would look like peanuts now.
 

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Does not winning a CL hold his reputation/rating a tiny little bit back like it did with Zlatan?
Yeah and it was interesting to hear the Belgian journalist Kristof Terreur back this up as he has been criticised for not turning up at the very biggest moments for Belgium like against France at the World Cup. Wonderful player but went missing in the Bernabeu last week.
 

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Is KDB a big game player?

This seems his final hurdle to becoming a legend.

He'll be remembered as a very good and even World class player but one that fell short in the biggest matches against the biggest opponents.
 

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Is KDB a big game player?

This seems his final hurdle to becoming a legend.

He'll be remembered as a very good and even World class player but one that fell short in the biggest matches against the biggest opponents.
The games against PSG and Madrid and Atletico and Liverpool and Chelsea in the league don't count? Or are we doing this stupid football fan thing where your only big games are the ones you lose?
 

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The games against PSG and Madrid and Atletico and Liverpool and Chelsea in the league don't count? Or are we doing this stupid football fan thing where your only big games are the ones you lose?
Big games in the league are different and often City have been so far ahead that their importance is diminished. For City the truly big games are in the champions league against Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool among others.

Playing Chelsea in the league when you're 5-10 points ahead and beating everyone else 4-0 a week diminishes the stakes and stress of such a match.
 

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Big games in the league are different and often City have been so far ahead that their importance is diminished. For City the truly big games are in the champions league against Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool among others.

Playing Chelsea in the league when you're 5-10 points ahead and beating everyone else 4-0 a week diminishes the stakes and stress of such a match.
If that’s your criteria then most footballers don’t come out looking too good. Are our legends suddenly a lot worse because we won 2 Champions Leagues in 26 years under Fergie?
 

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This iteration maybe, but the previous bunch that KDB also played with e.g. Aguero, Silva, Kompany etc are very comparable to the players that you named.
At the peak of their powers during 13-18, KDB simply isn’t really City undisputed best player over the likes of peak Augero and D.Silva. So your original argument regarding KDB being undisputed best in City while Beckham wasn’t at United, becomes self-defeated.
 

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Is KDB a big game player?

This seems his final hurdle to becoming a legend.

He'll be remembered as a very good and even World class player but one that fell short in the biggest matches against the biggest opponents.
I wouldn’t say that he is someone who specifically elevates his performances in big games (like Zidane used to do, while he often didn’t really bother all that much in regular league games, or Iniesta, who used to turned on his inner goalscorer only in the biggest fixtures), but he’s certainly not someone who underperforms in them either.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
It won’t be so calm if you stick to such a conscending tone.

Kevin de Bruyne is a brilliant player in my eyes, one of the 5-6 best in the world the last four years taken as a whole IMO. Pep has also done very well to get the best out of him. Like Beckham, he has also been the most important player at a NT who has been overhyped and therefore disappointed, but he hasn’t been able to give them (nor City in the CL) that extra crunch time boost that could lift him to a WPOTY.

I wouldn’t want to say Beckham was better, he was a different kind of player. At his best, though, he was the best player at the best team in the world. Between 98 and 2001, he had the highest carreer peak of any United player between Best and Ronaldo, as an MVP candidate.

His stamina and discipline was fantastic, his passing was brilliant. Yes, his long balls were the best I ever saw (I am too young for Beckenbauer), but his short and medium passing was also top notch, on the ground, one-two, chipped, through balls. The most importan, however, was his vision and awareness, and his passes would frequently unravel defences due to that. His role was a RW playmaker, and his scoring was very good compared to how far from goal he had much of his main responsibilities, averageing slightly above 10 goals a season from 96-2003. (These are around KdB’s numbers barring this year if I’m not mistaken.) He was also the winger with the most defensive responsibilities, due to his stamina. He was runner up as WPOTY twice. He won eight league titles (B5 leagues) and a CL as a lynchpin (He was named RM player of the year in 2006). One thing that was clear at the time, was that his celebrity status post Posh made many in the general public take him less serious as an athlete, in spite of his performances.

I don’t mind preferring De Bruyne, maybe I do myself, I’m not sure. But to dismiss Beckham’s contribution in the manner you did, it makes me question how much you watched him in the day, and how much your ‘impartial’ verdict from on high is based on hearsay and highlights.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
Yeah this is utter nonsense. Sounds like you're still crying that Beckham didn't want to sign for Barca all them years ago.
 

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Does not winning a CL hold his reputation/rating a tiny little bit back like it did with Zlatan?
Zlatan was never played for a team expected to win the CL except 2010. So out of almost 15 years his team was only favorites in 1. At least there is a good reason for his poor reputation in the CL. KDB has been in a top 2 team or some may say the best in Europe for 5 years. They can't be be compared.
 

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No, it seems like an argument that rubbishes the notion that big games only exist in the CL against 2 or 3 opponents.
They do for City, perhaps this season the games against Liverpool were much more important but the pressures are largely different. I doubt City would collapse like they did against Madrid in the league
 

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They do for City, perhaps this season the games against Liverpool were much more important but the pressures are largely different. I doubt City would collapse like they did against Madrid in the league
I think it has more to do with the fact that 1) City have on pedigree in the CL. There's a reason why the likes of Madrid, Milan and Liverpool tend to do their best in that competition whereas PSG, City etc keep crumbling. Historic excellence in the competition does seem to help big time in cup competitions. And also 2) Pep is a bit too attacking as a coach and doesn't seem to want to play it conservative even when the situation suits it to do that. So more than just pressure, it's pedigree. On the other hand in league football, the best team basically always wins as it's a "fairer" format.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
Let’s look at some facts then:

Beckham
2nd in Ballon D’or 1999
2nd in FIFA World Player of the year 1999, 2001

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8th place in Ballon D’or 2021
9th place in Ballon D’or 2019

As if Cafe is the only place claiming Beckham was better.
 

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At the peak of their powers during 13-18, KDB simply isn’t really City undisputed best player over the likes of peak Augero and D.Silva. So your original argument regarding KDB being undisputed best in City while Beckham wasn’t at United, becomes self-defeated.
DeBruyne didn't come to City until 2015.
 

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The caf...The only place on the Internet which will calmly explain to you that Peak Rooney is superior to peak Benzema or that Beckham was somehow a better than De Bruyne. :rolleyes:

There are two aspects of the game in which Beckham was better than KDB. Those are Long balls and Free kicks. It's true he also was an amazing crosser, but so is De bruyne. On two occasions he had 9 assists from crosses alone! And that's considering the fact that he played the last two seasons with basically no striker...

Those attributes aside, De Bruyne is the much better player. He is better at getting assists, a better goalscorer, the better defender and is the more athletic of the two. His superior athletic abilities also give him a huge advantage over Beckham since it makes him much more threatening when running into space...

Anyway, i dont expect people to get convinced by arguments over here since the majority has an emotionaal attachment to Becks, but still pretty funny to see people argue about it.
I think Rooney is better than Benzema and KDB is better than Becks.
 

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Let’s look at some facts then:

Beckham
2nd in Ballon D’or 1999
2nd in FIFA World Player of the year 1999, 2001

De Bruyne
8th place in Ballon D’or 2021
9th place in Ballon D’or 2019

As if Cafe is the only place claiming Beckham was better.
What's with the Ballon d'Or obsession?

Or do you also think Lampard and Gerrard (both top-3 finishes) are better than Scholes (didn't receive a single vote in his entire career)?
 

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What's with the Ballon d'Or obsession?

Or do you also think Lampard and Gerrard (both top-3 finishes) are better than Scholes (didn't receive a single vote in his entire career)?
You are reading too much, just a proof that Cafe is not the only place rating him higher.
 

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You are reading too much, just a proof that Cafe is not the only place rating him higher.
You are perhaps also reading too much into it - the fact that Beckham might've had a higher peak year in 1999 (and voting was undoubtedly skewed because his team won the treble) doesn't mean that he was a better footballer than De Bruyne or had a better career.

Not saying he was worse either by the way. I was too young when he had his peak at United.