Still waiting to hear back from the FA but we’ve had 3 points at least pencilled in by every news source.was a disgrace tonight...hopefully it didn't cost us points
hahah....my badStill waiting to hear back from the FA but we’ve had 3 points at least pencilled in by every news source.
Except he did not go with his studs out. You repeating it endlessly won't make it true. He kicked the ball on to the player, and then the momentum took him forward. VAR does not check for every foul, and only gets involved if there is a clear red, which this was not. The only decision to look for whether he would give red to Burnley after that.Jesus christ. If you literally run into a tackle with your foot in full reach/studs out, there is obviously a big possibility of clattering the opponent, which he does. Funny thing is, his foot also changes direction a little bit before impact from the last angle shown. Only luck separates Shaw from solid contact and a certain red card. It’s not a 50/50 when Shaw goes straight into the player with his studs and the other does not, touching the ball (slightly) or not.
Who says you can’t challenge? You just can’t go into a challenge at that pace with your studs without risk. Poor tackle, if it was the other way around people would be furious on this very forum right now.
His performance in the second half was much better. Didn’t fall for Barnes throwing himself to the floorNo Idea if these referees get a feedback or not at half time but if they do, this guy must have gotten alot.
You make wrong decisions, I can take that but booking a player for moaning about it makes it even worse. I dont know why he needed to book Bruno when he just didn't see a foul on him.
I will give him a bit of a pass on that one. Generally DOGSO is held to quite a high bar, and in real time I think it's an understandable decision to think the covering defender can get across and prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity. On replay, he's not in the frame until Brady slows everyone up by fouling Cavani and, if not for the Shaw foul, he would have been rightly sent off.The fact he didn't give Brady a red card on the pitch before VAR reviewed was a terrible decision in its own right. That's as clear of a red as you'll see. That's a certain goal without that challenge, as Cavani either finishes it or squares it.
I do think VAR influenced his decision more than the actual events. They froze the frame on Shaw with his studs up, but Shaw's studs didn't catch the Burnley player. The freeze frame just makes it look like it does. In motion, Shaw's foot goes behind the player's leg. He clearly plays the ball first, but the follow through muddy's the waters a little.
The Maguire goal was the worst of the lot though. Awful decision.
Thankfully VAR didn't give him the opportunity. Don't think he saw itHe tried his best for the Scousers tonight , I’m surprised he didn’t give the Maguire handball at the end.
could not get a free in the 1st half either
Not a chance that’s a foul, the defender doesn’t even jump, he’s been done and he knows it, he lurches forward and Friend takes the bait.Won't be a popular opinion but I think Maguire's goal is a foul. I'd certainly want a free kick if we conceded that goal.
The most baffling thing for me is how he found an extra 3 and a half minutes on top of the 4 minutes stoppage time that were given.
It’s not so much that it’s unpopular that it is out of line with current and past refereeing. If that was the bar, Alen Shearer would have ended his carreer with less goals than Andy Carroll (I’ve not counted this). I’d hazard 80% of headed goals from the back end of the box this season would have to be stricken.Won't be a popular opinion but I think Maguire's goal is a foul. I'd certainly want a free kick if we conceded that goal.
The most baffling thing for me is how he found an extra 3 and a half minutes on top of the 4 minutes stoppage time that were given.
He bundles him over and contact came before he headed the ball, unless you think the defender has dived to the ground under insignificant contact?Not a chance that’s a foul, the defender doesn’t even jump, he’s been done and he knows it, he lurches forward and Friend takes the bait.
Are you not allowed to touch players when you jump now? Come off it.
If that were the case Burnley would never get a goal.
You have to be able to attack the ball in the air, you can make contact as long as you don’t push the defending player.
The exact same action happened a hundred times in midfield tonight when players were scrambling to win headers, Friend never whistled for any of them that I can remember.
You may be right but when I slow it down and watch again you can see the defender's reaction to being fouled before Maguire even heads the ball, these are close decisions depending on exactly when the contact happened and how much contact - so although each of these goals may look similar there will be fractions of difference that make some of them fouls and some of them passable.It’s not so much that it’s unpopular that it is out of line with current and past refereeing. If that was the bar, Alen Shearer would have ended his carreer with less goals than Andy Carroll (I’ve not counted this). I’d hazard 80% of headed goals from the back end of the box this season would have to be stricken.
Didn't see the whole match but all the decisions shown here look right to me.
And only 4 minutes in the first half when VAR held that half up by at least 7 minutes. He was a foe more than a friend to United tonight.4 mins to 8 fecking mins!
Clear goal disallowed
So many fouls against us