Really don't like the idea of Klopp at Liverpool, hope it doesn't happen. I think he will turn them into a good team
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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Yes. He definitely should do that. So we don't have to dislike him at LiverpoolThat would be a horrible decision. He'd be in demand for some of the top jobs in football, but he should go to Newcastle and work for Mike Ashley?
I just don't want him to go to Liverpool.
I keep seeing Klopp as Arsenals next manager.
Precisely. All this talk is nothing but wishful thinking/standard Liverpool delusion.
LvG did it
To be fair us Liverpool fans don't actually know what to make of this speculation at the moment. We're just in pain, awe, surprise. And probably looking to have it all end in anti-climax anyway.
Nothing to see here. I think Eddie Howe can do a decent job WHEN he becomes our next manager.
I don't see any white text!
I think he can.
We had just won the league 14 months earlier and had a ton of money to spend.
Klopp or Thomas Tuchel are defo the first managers I'd want here when Van Gaal quits...It would be a much better appointment to Giggs as they'd be able to hand pick a lot of up coming German talent and good experience at the top....Defo would not like to see Klopp at Liverpool
You could argue Liverpool came close a season ago too and they could probably give him some money.
True but you said no cl and and decline
It should be noted that Dortmund's team during Klopp's time was some levels above this current Liverpool team. Not to downplay Klopp's success - he did a brilliant job - but I don't think his appointment will magically change Liverpool's current fortunes. They'll improve, yes, but they'll still be rank outsiders for a Top 4 position.
He made them all. He bought well at the beginning, and developed some players to world beaters during his time.
Can we at least leave the revisionism of his achievements until after (if) he actually comes to Liverpool? Thanks.
Close but not Cigar.
Moreno's little rant video is spot on imo.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-premier-league/23/video/2627172/why-would-ancelotti-pick-liverpool
I agree with Ancelotti, but not with Klopp.
He doesn´t need to turn them into good players. They are good players. Whether that means he´d have success is a different story. He certainly started with much less talent at Mainz (duh) and Dortmund. People think of Liverpool as #5, but I doubt Klopp looks at it that way. He knows the squad has some very good players and the war chest is sufficient. He has done a lot more with a lot less.
Whether they can build or not, both Ancelotti and Klopp would get more out of their current players than this charlatan. This guy will concede goals even if he had Baresi and Maldini playing for him.
Brilliant manager. Took Dortmund from nobodies to a team I will still remember in twenty years time.
And to be honest, if you step back and forget we are talking about Liverpool for a moment, it is a pretty enticing job:
- It's a team that obviously needs a rebuild, with a fresh style of playing football
- They have money to buy talent, especially with the new TV deals.
- Their squad isn't exactly crap, just incredibly unbalanced with no defined style and tonnes of underachieving potential.
- Huge amount of history and large fanbase
- Good resources and training facilities
- Respectable reputation in a strong league
- They are still in a position to handpick players from smaller clubs
A manager could go there, have complete control over a rebuild and turn himself into an Anfield legend within a few years. More enticing (to me at least) than jumping on the Madrid Managerial Merry-go-round or taking over a team that already dominates it's league every year (Bayern/PSG).
And to be honest, if you step back and forget we are talking about Liverpool for a moment, it is a pretty enticing job:
- It's a team that obviously needs a rebuild, with a fresh style of playing football
- They have money to buy talent, especially with the new TV deals.
- Their squad isn't exactly crap, just incredibly unbalanced with no defined style and tonnes of underachieving potential.
- Huge amount of history and large fanbase
- Good resources and training facilities
- Respectable reputation in a strong league
- They are still in a position to handpick players from smaller clubs
A manager could go there, have complete control over a rebuild and turn himself into an Anfield legend within a few years. More enticing (to me at least) than jumping on the Madrid Managerial Merry-go-round or taking over a team that already dominates it's league every year (Bayern/PSG).
In spite of what we like to tell ourselves that Liverpool team has a lot of players that a very good/great manager can salvage a lot from. This plus his knowledge of the German market would ensure that he will turn them around into a serious top four contender and title contenders in a couple of years.
What Liverpool having a manager like him means to us is a finer margin for error. Couple this with his propensity to stick around and Arsenal being Arsenal we are well and truly screwed if we feck up our next managerial appointment. If Liverpool close Klopp we should consider ourselves served.
What Liverpool having a manager like him means to us is a finer margin for error. Couple this with his propensity to stick around and Arsenal being Arsenal we are well and truly screwed if we feck up our next managerial appointment. If Liverpool close Klopp we should consider ourselves served.
There will be no "rebuild" at Liverpool after what they've spent in the last two Summer windows. A new manager would more or less have to work with what's there, or finance any purchases by selling.
That's not really an option, they haven't bought to a plan and now they're left with an incoherent mess. SAF might be able to drag that side to a title, Mourinho to 4th pace but they're the only ones.
If Klopp moves to Liverpool he may as well prepare for early retirement from the game, this appointment would be as mad as his smile.
One thing you forgot to add as a negative and what hampers each new manager and outweighs all of the above = Fan Expectation, their arrogance and complete delusion will lead to unbearable pressure on Klopp and the team once they start getting positive results.
Until they can change this mindset it will act as a ball and chain for any manager stepping into the poison chalice that is now Liverpool FC.
Also they refused to move with the times early 90s, the stories about backroom staff and sticking with the 80s formula is beggars belief. You have to say they are reaping what the tried to sew, they are at least a decade away from catching up with our mob, chelski and Citeh.
Would be a brilliant manager for Liverpool. He was a great manager for Dortmund and knows how to win trophies.
He'd make them competitive again without a doubt. Perhaps the best thing that would happen is they'd improve in the transfer market. They've been totally haphazard in how they've recruited over the past few years and wasted a lot of money. Klopp has had a mixed record (bought Reus but also Immobile) but is definitely a damned sight better than Rodgers and whatever committee they have at Liverpool.
He'd make them competitive again without a doubt. Perhaps the best thing that would happen is they'd improve in the transfer market. They've been totally haphazard in how they've recruited over the past few years and wasted a lot of money. Klopp has had a mixed record (bought Reus but also Immobile) but is definitely a damned sight better than Rodgers and whatever committee they have at Liverpool.
I disagree. I think that he should go at League Two. Or probably Conference. He'll make a good team there.
After all, it makes sense for one of the top 5 or so managers in the world to go to Newcastle. With him as manager, and Ronaldo and Messi as players, Newcastle will rule.
Maybe, but the players he had obviously had heaps of natural talent. Lewandowski is one of the best strikers in the world, Gundogan one of the best midfielders, Hummels one of the best defenders - there's only so much nurturing a manager can do, a lot comes down to the players. Do you think Klopp can turn Benteke/Henderson/Firmino/Lovren into world class players? I don't.
Like I say, he'll improve their football, that's almost certain, but 4th place will still be a real struggle. With Dortmund he had one decidedly better team to compete against. In England he'll be up against four clubs with much better squads.
Nah it´s not. Liverpool was among the 10-15 richest clubs in Europe before the upcoming TV explosion. These analysts make it sound like Liverpool or Tottenham are some broke ass bitches, when they are two of the top 15 gigs in the world based on the available resources. They are underachievers.Close but not Cigar.
Moreno's little rant video is spot on imo.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-premier-league/23/video/2627172/why-would-ancelotti-pick-liverpool
Not that every Klopp transfer is a slam dunk (Immobile, Ramos, Kampl, Perisic) but in seven years they barely ran an overall transfer deficit, while building a world class squad from scratch. The key players during his era:
Mkhitaryan €27M
Reus €17M
Aubameyang €13M
Ginter €10M
Sokratis €9.9M
Gundogan €5.5M
Lewandowski €5M
Hummels €4M
Barrios €4M
Subotic €3M
S. Bender €1.5M
Kagawa 250k
Schmelzer free
Weidenfeller free
Großkreutz free
Piszczek free
Goetze youth
Sahin youth
Durm youth
Hofmann youth
Now their current squad is worth €300M.
This year, of course. Next year will be a different matter IMO.
When Klopp took Dortmund, they had a significantly weaker team than the current version of Liverpool. Fast forward 5 years, and they were winning their league and reaching UCL final. With around 0 net spent.
Good point. And like I say, he will definitely improve them - he just has to, he's levels above Rodgers as a manager. But he's coming to a league where he's up against 4 clubs with greater financial power, and already strong, established squads. If he were to achieve 4th place, he'd have done a marvellous job, but there's very little chance of any sort of title challenge.
From Liverpool's perspective, it's a no-brainer. From an opponent's perspective (i.e. Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United), I don't think there'd be much to worry about.
Of course natural talent must be there, but Lewandowski, Hummels and Gündogan were still relatively unknown and raw at the time Dortmund bought them. Sure they all had talent, but Kloppo made them what they are today. The list goes on and on. Subotic, Reus, Pisczek, Götze, Schmelzer, Bender, Sahin, Kuba. Sure some of them were highly rated, but it doesnt matter that they actually justified the hype to some extend. He will promote some youth palyers, turn them into good players and turn some of the crap into decent players too. Plus he will spend here and there to make the squad his squad.
How many bargains like that occur when it comes to EPL clubs, though?
Reus, for example, when he was bought by Dortmund, had just had a similar season to De Bruyne, yet KDB goes for close to 60m when City come in for him.
But unknown players won't be afforded the time to bed in like they were when Klopp first took over at Dortmund. Liverpool are looking for immediate results. It took Klopp 2 seasons before he had them in full flow and challenging for titles. I'd be willing to wager it will take a lot longer than that in the PL.
Basically, what I'm saying is that it's not going to be easy to find these hidden gems like he did, or could, at Dortmund. There'll be immediate pressure to use Liverpool's considerable financial resources, yet their resources aren't enough to compete with four other teams in the league.
They just cannot go out and buy top-class players.
Still he's right in that LFC would not be an attractive proposition to either Klopp or Ancelotti. They don't have a prayer of making the CL for the next few years and both managers would surely be looking at moving up, not down in the management world.
Would Madrid want Klopp after Rafa inevitably gets sacked?
Then Rafa goes back to liverpool?
Then Rafa goes back to liverpool?
That´s true. There will be a premium for the EPL, but you can still find bargains. Dortmund was a CL finalist with a big war chest, when they spent €40M combined for Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan. Now they are probably worth €100M. And this summer they paid €1.5M for 19 year old Julain Weigl, who walked into their starting 11. Germany is full of such players. Milner would probably become the leader due to his age and experience. Besides him their squad is fairly young with guys like Sakho, Lovren, Moreno, Clyne, Henderson, Coutinho, Firmino, Llallana, Sturridge, Benteke and so on. He does better when he can push and mold young players.
Not in a great place currenty, but with potential for a quick turnaround Liverpool is actually a perfect fit for him. Club history, current squad, financial resources. It suits his idea of football.
Please. That´s simply not true, unless the EPL loses it´s 4th spot.
That's the least informative thread title ever.
Klopp definitely liverpools. Theya are the dortmund of this league. I doubt klopp wants a club at the top really.
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