Unfortunately Covid has put paid to this season's winter break.
Klopp post-match meltdown
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Different era. Today people whine like spineless entitled pisspots about everything. Then tell themselves and the world they're fighting for "justice".
Why? Klopp needs to understand that being champions changes things. It is understandable that they are being picked for these games, great spot starting the Saturdays plus they are playing good football and winning stuff. If he wants to be counted as one of the big guys he has to start acting like one.
Klopp seems fine here. Totally agree with your points.
Thinking about it even more, when did he want them to kick off. They have a midweek CL game, so any kick off time either later today or another day would cause ructions as well.
He's correct.
He does have a point, as did Ole making the exact same point. On the other hand, I'm not so sure I want the PL to go the way of La Liga where ultimately the governing body or the league itself are given a green light to accommodate the big clubs in a completely unbalanced manner.
Someone’s always complaining about something, just get on with it. The big clubs already have enough of an advantage, this at least makes some games more interesting.
I sort of agree with most of this, in theory. The problem is that these early kick offs after long trips will disadvantage some teams more than others. It might all work out fair at the end of the season but maybe not. The top teams can’t just play fringe players in these matches, the stakes are too high.
And it just is not necessary. I think the Premier League is daring the top clubs to break away with this moronic scheduling.
Having said that, the moaning is annoying.
They play Tuesday night. So playing at 8pm would have them moaning that's too close too.
Yeah but if they are only concerned about player welfare then they have a duty to play their fringe players and then they complain about the quality of the product because of it. What they shouldn’t do is play players into the ground and then complain.
If BT don’t show the ‘top’ teams in their slot then the price for than slot comes down, these same clubs complaining about the schedule don’t want that to happen. Just smacks of double standards to me.
Also they gain an advantage to teams who aren’t in Europe through extra money for transfers etc so can’t have it both ways.
Klopp has valid complaints, I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with what he’s saying but having a full blown argument with an interviewer in a post match isn’t a good look
Shame that. I wanted to see a meltdown but he's completely right.
The PL is the 20 clubs. I have been trying to get people to see this ad nauseam on Twitter. The big bad suits are the 20 PL clubs. The big clubs could have easily used their leverage to ensure that those playing in Europe are granted a bigger window after playing midweek. For whatever reason, they chose not to tender their packages of matches to broadcasters with this in mind.
Exactly, reap what you sow.
He's really a terrible loser isn't he ? Losses and draws bring the worst out of him.
It’s amazing how few, even on here, don’t seem to understand what the Premier League is. The Premier League is a corporation with 20 shares, one held by each of the 20 participating clubs. The clubs are the Premier League. There’s no big bad business exploiting 20 clubs.
What is it with the 5 sub rule they all want?!
Why not 10 subs? Per half.
Feck it, let's go all in, introduce time outs. With a red buzzer button.
The game is played the same for 30 years, they could have gotten used to it and the rules by now....
You want to spare your players?
DON'T FECKING PLAY THEM THEN!
What's with the constant moaning?
The whole world is constantly moaning about something....i want five subs, i don't wanna wear a mask, yadda yadda yadda....
Why not 10 subs? Per half.
Feck it, let's go all in, introduce time outs. With a red buzzer button.
The game is played the same for 30 years, they could have gotten used to it and the rules by now....
You want to spare your players?
DON'T FECKING PLAY THEM THEN!
What's with the constant moaning?
The whole world is constantly moaning about something....i want five subs, i don't wanna wear a mask, yadda yadda yadda....
Imagine if he wasn't top of the table too... God, i miss the times when he hadn't turned Liverpool into a juggernaut and he was complaining about the English weather. Now, that was a meltdown.
If Klopp really thinks the schedule is “really really dangerous” then he’s doing a piss poor job of protecting most of his players as he’s taking points over their welfare by playing some all the time. He has a choice.
I think he has a point but name dropping Chris Wilder like this is honestly insulting.
Really really dangerous. What a dumb line from a self entilted prick.
Manage your team big boy!
The game is as level as it can be.
Sure, you play earlier, that's why you get more money! So you can by more/better players.
Someone should break it to him.
Yes, you play CL or EL = still - more money dumbass.
You're welcome to forfeit the games and rest your players.
You want the treble?! You work hard and long, and get extremely lucky with the draws and the injuries,and you just might get your sights on it.
Yeah exactly this. He tried to make the guy look a fool and wasn't expecting to get shit back. He has a point but it was poorly directed.
It's a never ending cycle.
The Premier league season can't be extended because of international tournaments, so they need to squeeze in as many fixtures as they can in order to finish in April/May. It also won't be reduced, in terms of the number of teams in it.
The Champions League will not be reduced in terms of teams and number of games and that competition also needs to be wrapped up before internationals. In fact wasn't there talk of the CL being expanded? UEFA could scrap the group stage and have it be a straight knock out from the beginning, or have it start in February and only contain the winners of the various leagues. Of course that won't happen.
Then there's the fact that players like all other workers need a vacation.
This notwithstanding, clubs still embark on multiple pre-season tours and they'd do more of them if the season finished earlier.
If all the powers that be truly care about the players, then something has to give. I'm not even sure what difference a few hours will make. Will Liverpool really have that much more time to recover if they kick off at 3 pm on a Saturday rather than 12:30? If clubs that play in the Champions League get to play on Sundays, do Europa League teams get to play on the Monday?
The Premier league season can't be extended because of international tournaments, so they need to squeeze in as many fixtures as they can in order to finish in April/May. It also won't be reduced, in terms of the number of teams in it.
The Champions League will not be reduced in terms of teams and number of games and that competition also needs to be wrapped up before internationals. In fact wasn't there talk of the CL being expanded? UEFA could scrap the group stage and have it be a straight knock out from the beginning, or have it start in February and only contain the winners of the various leagues. Of course that won't happen.
Then there's the fact that players like all other workers need a vacation.
This notwithstanding, clubs still embark on multiple pre-season tours and they'd do more of them if the season finished earlier.
If all the powers that be truly care about the players, then something has to give. I'm not even sure what difference a few hours will make. Will Liverpool really have that much more time to recover if they kick off at 3 pm on a Saturday rather than 12:30? If clubs that play in the Champions League get to play on Sundays, do Europa League teams get to play on the Monday?
We do have to remember that they're playing football not working 15hour shifts down the mines though
Imagine if Klopp had to take over a team in lower tiers who have a couple of cup runs!
Both aides made valid points. Was a good debate.
Hate all the sucking up to managers (read: Juergen) that Happens from the 3 broadcasters.
Hate all the sucking up to managers (read: Juergen) that Happens from the 3 broadcasters.
Only a handful of clubs play in Europe. What leverage do they have over the other 14 or 15 clubs?
I don't see how it works out fair in any way. There's no reason that a team playing in the CL on a Wednesday plays a noon match on a Saturday and the media are being pathetic saying with their excuses. They're being greedy, the PL allows them to be greedy so they say "hey don't look at me, it's the PL at fault here. I'm just being a capitalist pig". In a nutshell they are right, the FA are rubbish at this. Not only is it specifically unfair for teams to have these kick-off times, it also gives their European opponents an advantage. Teams in Italy regularly get Friday games ahead of mid-week European matches. You'll never see Real or Barca have this kind of schedule and that's during a regular season and not this even more contested covid season that no only amps up the injury frequency because of congestion but also has the added risk of infection.
Agreed. I get his point but, at the same time, he becomes very annoying.
If i'm not mistaken the big clubs needed three more votes (14) to pass the motion for the 5 subs but the smaller ones stood firm against it. So, whenever he moans about it, in the manner that he does, it feels like he protests against the half of the PL managers who possess neither the resources nor the pulling power that he has at his disposal. It can become a bit cringeworthy.
As for the TV schedule, as others have mentioned, he (and all the others) doesn't have a problem with cash that comes in from all these peime-time televised games. Even the way he admitted the offsides (full of irony) which were the correct decisions is an indication that he was asking for an opportunity to use the presser as a platform to start complaining.
Fair play to the reporter for holding his own. Most would have bowed down
Klopp certainly isn't wrong on being asked to play in the early slot is a bit ridiculous, but yeah going about it completely the wrong way. It looks like nothing but sour grapes by doing it in an interview immediately after the game. There's ways to could probably go about getting it changed (successfully or otherwise) thsy don't involve taking shots at thr broadcaster live on TV.
Yep.
Stupid internet simpletons as usual for whom anyone replying to anything assertively is TRIGGERED or having a meltdown.
Rubbish argument, they don't moan when they win an early kick off, just an excuse rather than anything legitimate. Get over it and do your job.
Nothing will change but the reporter's got his clicks, job's done.
Klopps right, as was Ole after Everton. I was expecting a meltdown due to the VAR decisions.
I don't really agree with Klopp on the issue but really, really cannot ever side with the likes of Shreeves and Kelly. Horrible leeches. You can hear the smugness and condescension in every word they say. They think they're part of the gang and haven't asked an interesting question between them in their lives.
He uses Robertson in his example, of how much he needed a rest and complains about the 5 subs.
5 subs is absolutely a disadvantage to Wilder who is really struggling without O’Connell and Fleck, never mind having to compete with sides that can bring more world class players off the bench.
If poor “Robbo” needed a rest and it is “dangerous” to play at this time, he should have played the fit left back that he had on his own bench from the start and used his squad like other managers are having to do.
5 subs is absolutely a disadvantage to Wilder who is really struggling without O’Connell and Fleck, never mind having to compete with sides that can bring more world class players off the bench.
If poor “Robbo” needed a rest and it is “dangerous” to play at this time, he should have played the fit left back that he had on his own bench from the start and used his squad like other managers are having to do.
He didnt actually complain about VAR which is credit to him. Theres enough fans and anti VAR followers who would have validated those excuses for him
Yep, and was interesting to how many long balls they are playing now a days. Just lump it up to the quick players and let them go.
Isn’t he just making the same point that Ole did? I can sympathise with both of them.