We played defensive is not same as we played with 7 at the back.
Extremely toxic? hahahahahaa
Yeah, team comes first. Yes we won't be able to fit all our attacking players but if 3 at the back gives better balance to the team then so be it. Players on the bench will have to fight for their position.
Not if the hands have broken off.
The reason they can’t help it is their autonomic nervous system (ANS). When you’ve sensed you’re under attack, when you’re in the middle of an argument or dispute, your ANS gets ramped up to defend you by quickening your heart rate and breathing, slowing your digestion, producing sweat, and so on.
But that says it all....
They are, that’s the whole point.
Little harsh on Rashy who has 3 goals in quick fire time after ages out injured.
The real utd way under Fergie was to do whatever it takes to win a football match.This is why we are in the sht we are in. We meaning the fans and the people in the club and ex players, media etc keep banging on to the United way.
Pogba should be in a midfield two with 3 up front and Bruno as a 10! I don't know why it doesn't work! Well it friggin doesn't. The proof is in the pudding. 5 years we have been trying to play Pogba in a midfield 2. 5 years! And we keep going on and on about it. Then we try to be a pressing team. See how well thats gone. We want to play like City and Liverpool. Well we friggin cant. We don't have pressing players. We dont have attacking fullbacks. We dont have wingers that can cross.
Do I want to play like prime Liverpool/City. Prime Barca? Of course I do. But we have to realize that we cant and we have to play to our strengths. Does that mean 5 at the back all the time. No of course not. But against big teams lets sit back and counter. Thats what we are good at. That was how Ole got good results against top sides. They cant live with us when we play like that. The problem we had was breaking down low block teams. Well now we have all sorts of options to do that. Play Pogba on the Left, Donny in midfield and Sancho on the RW if we want to. That should break down anybody.
Even when Mourinho was here I always thought. Well this is not a typical Mourinho team. He seemed to adapt to play a more attacking version. We need a manager to have the balls to play to our strengths. To drop big players. To park the bus constantly game after game when we have to. Just do anything and everything to win. Forget the style. Forget the United way. Just do whatever we can to win. The attacking play will still be there. We will still score goals. But more importantly we will win and with winning will breed confidence and more winning.
I still want Ole out. Just because he doesn't have the balls to stick to a system. He was always best at counterattacking. Then he buys plyers that make no sense and tries different styles and formations. Pogba left. Pogba in a 2. Buy DVB and dont play him. Buy Ronaldo and have no structure to accommodate him. It goes on and on. It makes no sense. Football is simple. Just get men behind the ball when we need to and then get more players that can break the lines when we need to. That's all.
Rant over!
Which has nothing to do with the point I made or the post I replied to.
This is very important given how the last two seasons ended with players on their last legs due to overuse. They key to rotation is to always keep fringe players involved and match sharp so that when they are absolutely needed they fit in seamlessly, something Fergie expertly handled from 06-09.
If that's the ceiling of our ambitions after our spending and looking at our squad, Ole (the manager) should be shot from a cannon so that even his shadow isn't anywhere near OT. Absolutely shambolic that we have to keep reducing our targets and also to bear a very defensive set up because he cannot set his team up to play coherent football.
Good post, but I don’t think Utd fans are falling for Oles crap this time.
Cavani will be gone next season and who knows about Ronaldo if we don't make the CL. Whats best for the club in the long term may not be what's best in the short term. Also Rashford scored with his single chance yesterday, like he did against Leicester, so I don't know what your comment on the brackets is about.
Funny that, because against Everton Rashford wasted some easy chances and rattled the bar if memory serves right. He still looked like a raw, unnutured talent.
Difficult for him since he didn't play against Everton.
I'm intrigued by this. Can't remember this happening at all. Do you have a link to a match report?
Exactly the reasons why he should have been fired last Sunday
Ole has always done well with his deep sitting, counter football. Thing is it won't win you any serious silverware. Just qualifying for the CL and nothing more will not cut it this season, it will be considered a failure by everyone except the most delusional.
We're in a crisis situation. It's best for the club to get experience on the pitch and weather this storm. Cavani and Ronaldo need to be first choice - they clearly can't play every game for 90 mins so there will be plenty of game time dor others, and Sancho/Greenwood/Rashford need to be professional and take their chances when they come.
That is another issue - I was simply referring to why he set up the way he did.
You haven’t seen my start of something thread then? That awful performance and utter humiliation last week could prove to be a catalyst for positive change. Obviously one game proves nothing, but if we beat Atalanta we’re all but qualified in the CL and if we take points off City we’re right back in the hunt at the top of the table. Our squad is very capable of putting a great run together, just as it is capable of appalling performances. I choose not to engage in negativity and instead hope that things will get better and better. I still believe this squad and manager together can lift silverware this season, but if they don’t then I’m all up for a review and a change at the end of the season. If that constitutes hiding to you then so be it.
Ok but that is in response to your next comment. Hence why I bolded it.
That's a different argument. Ole's playing principles are not good enough and we won't win the league.
It's not pedantic, this never happened. We have 100s of reasons to criticize Ole, so not sure why people have to make things up.
I like that answer to a broken clock being right twice a day.
This is true, even after Matic came in, there was never a moment where we go straight 7 at the back, unless it's a set piece. The most defensive shape last night was when Matic filled in as center back making it almost like 6 at the back but it happened like once or twice.
Throughout Ole's tenure we've had highs of very good performances combined with extreme lows of very bad performances (our defensive stats for the season being in relegation form by the Liverpool game shows this). All with no clear style of play and no trophies to show for and it won't be any different this season.
