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I'm saying he's not the most athletic, at least at the moment. Putting him in a 2 is crazy.
I think a good similarity would be Jorginho of a few years ago. Excellent player and can affect games but isn't suitable for a 2 man central midfield.
Either we change the system and by extension change Amorim, or I think Mainoo will struggle as I don't think he'll be good as a 10.

Edit - I have severe reservations whether 541 can ever work in the PL as it is now. Maybe when 442 was relatively common then 541 is a decent strategy but with most teams playing 433/451 you just don't need 3 CBs to mark one CF and you get overrun in midfield.

Didnt Jorginho win Champions League with Chelsea? And they played 2 man midfield with Tuchel's 3-4-3. I'd guess he was suitable then.

Not sure if at this moment Mainoo would suit any formation, be it 2,3 or 4 man midfield. He needs to get more mobile if he wants to make it at top level.
 
Using hiding from responsibility and then bigging up Mount in the same sentence. That’s something. He’d a grand total of 12 passes on Wednesday night. In 70 minutes. Garnacho had 14 after replacing him.
I don't think being where he should be is bigging him up. Garnacho came on fresh against a tired opposition parking the bus, hardly a surprise.
 
Mount is a bit of a non-impact player in most cases.

I would like to see Mainoo back in the team as I think he is quality. If we played a better system he could flourish.

I think our best team right now is probably something like this:

-----------------------------------Onana-------------------------------------
Dalot------------Yoro------------------Martinez-------------Shaw
--------Fernandes----------Casemiro-------------Mainoo-------
Amad-----------------------Rashford---------------------Garnacho

Yes I know, Rashford. Not great at all, just better than the other options. If we get Cunha (will he still join us?) he can replace him.

That team is not amazing at all, but I don't see it finishing 16th or 17th.
 
I don't think being where he should be is bigging him up. Garnacho came on fresh against a tired opposition parking the bus, hardly a surprise.
He was hiding. That’s why he didn’t get on the ball. Garnacho wanted it, that’s the difference. This isn’t an isolated example with Mount. It’s what he is.
 
He was hiding. That’s why he didn’t get on the ball. Garnacho wanted it, that’s the difference. This isn’t an isolated example with Mount. It’s what he is.
You are just making up nonsense, he was exactly where he should have been. Did you even watch the match?
 
You are just making up nonsense, he was exactly where he should have been. Did you even watch the match?
Yes. If the game plan was for Mount to have as little of the ball as possible then I guess it was successful. It would be another in the column for sack Amorim and sell Mount mind you.

Doing nothing with the ball seems to be an often used tactic for Mount.
 
Didnt Jorginho win Champions League with Chelsea? And they played 2 man midfield with Tuchel's 3-4-3. I'd guess he was suitable then.

Not sure if at this moment Mainoo would suit any formation, be it 2,3 or 4 man midfield. He needs to get more mobile if he wants to make it at top level.
Jorginho is also objectively and excellent passer and tempo setter, something Mainoo isn’t at all right now.

I’ve maintained that the athleticism concerns would really fade if he could really improve his passing and progressiveness/creativity as a passer. Right now it’s sort of non existent apart from his carrying or some short interplay stuff.
 
Yes. If the game plan was for Mount to have as little of the ball as possible then I guess it was successful. It would be another in the column for sack Amorim and sell Mount mind you.

Doing nothing with the ball seems to be an often used tactic for Mount.
These are 2 different things, being in position and passing the ball (the stat you gave).
 
If we stick with Amorim, indeed sell him. He does have his limitations but is way better than he is currently showing. This is largely down to Amorim's system.
 
It’s pity we got a manager in who is going to finish 17th, wants to sell our whole squad, plays a system that doesn’t suit our players, especially our young players. Maybe if we got a manger in than doesn’t play his ridiculous formation might help
 
Didnt Jorginho win Champions League with Chelsea? And they played 2 man midfield with Tuchel's 3-4-3. I'd guess he was suitable then.

Not sure if at this moment Mainoo would suit any formation, be it 2,3 or 4 man midfield. He needs to get more mobile if he wants to make it at top level.
Jorginho had Kante alongside him in that game. That can cover a lot of issues.
Agreed though about Mainoo getting more athletic, he does seem to run out of steam relatively quickly.
 
We should not be selling him. He's a great prospect who had had a difficult second season including an injury from which he has not fully recovered yet.
 
He won’t be sold. Everyone needs to relax a little
 
Yet another player amorims system doesn't suit
This is just a handy excuse for players. Great players will be able to fit into just about any system - but we always hear this excuse trotted out for Utd players, oh he’d be great in X/Y/Z formation. It was the same with Sancho, and Rashford and many more before them - if they were good enough they would show it. Same thing applies to Garnacho now and also to Mainoo. He had a handful of good games when he first came into the team, was accelerated into the England team and has shown moments of quality - but only moments. Far more we have seen a player struggle to impact games whether as a 6/8/10 and who looks too pedestrian to play midfield in the Premier League
 
Didnt Jorginho win Champions League with Chelsea? And they played 2 man midfield with Tuchel's 3-4-3. I'd guess he was suitable then.

Not sure if at this moment Mainoo would suit any formation, be it 2,3 or 4 man midfield. He needs to get more mobile if he wants to make it at top level.

Jorginho is a proper regista. In the Jorginho x Kovacic midfield (lets ignore Kante because he's a freak of nature), Mainoo is more the Kovacic and less the Jorginho. So if we go that way, he has to replace Ugarte's role in the squad (which he did briefly and we realized limitations of his stamina).

Despite what I said, I think CM is his best position - get a playmaking CM / DM and pair him with Mainoo / Ugarte at CM. We can't run a Jorginho x Mainoo midfield because it's not athletic enough but we can definitely run a Mainoo + Partey / Gravenberch midfield.
 
Jorginho is a proper regista. In the Jorginho x Kovacic midfield (lets ignore Kante because he's a freak of nature), Mainoo is more the Kovacic and less the Jorginho. So if we go that way, he has to replace Ugarte's role in the squad (which he did briefly and we realized limitations of his stamina).

Despite what I said, I think CM is his best position - get a playmaking CM / DM and pair him with Mainoo / Ugarte at CM. We can't run a Jorginho x Mainoo midfield but we can definitely run a Partey / Gravenberch + Mainoo midfield.
Agree with this. Things can change for him even in this system if we sign the right partner. That how you are supposed to build a squad by signing players the complement what you have and cover the defeciencies of their team mates. If Mainoo lacks range of passing and legs then his partner needs to be an excellent passer and have pace and power.

For once I think the club is on to something looking at Ederson
 
This is just a handy excuse for players. Great players will be able to fit into just about any system - but we always hear this excuse trotted out for Utd players, oh he’d be great in X/Y/Z formation. It was the same with Sancho, and Rashford and many more before them - if they were good enough they would show it. Same thing applies to Garnacho now and also to Mainoo. He had a handful of good games when he first came into the team, was accelerated into the England team and has shown moments of quality - but only moments. Far more we have seen a player struggle to impact games whether as a 6/8/10 and who looks too pedestrian to play midfield in the Premier League
Agree, but people are too sentimental around Kobbie for the sake of it. Love having a home-grown player in there but they either need to improve, be sold or play in a squad/formation role that acknowledges their limitations. McT had his -if he'd been played as an 'off the bench goalscoring 10' rather than persistently in CM, we'd have avoided a lot of frustration as well as 'hoptimistic ' narratives about him, maybe he'd still be here and we'd be higher (and have won that final with him as a sub box-crasher).
 
Agree with this. Things can change for him even in this system if we sign the right partner. That how you are supposed to build a squad by signing players the complement what you have and cover the defeciencies of their team mates. If Mainoo lacks range of passing and legs then his partner needs to be an excellent passer and have pace and power.

For once I think the club is on to something looking at Ederson

I still have hopes for Wharton / Stiller but Ederson's stats profile looks good. I've never really watched him play, so I have no idea what he'll bring. Do you think he can be the deepest midfielder receiving the ball from CBs and playing it out?

Anyway, I'll take any actual central midfielder at this point. Every single one we have has some weird limitation or other. Casemiro can't run, Ugarte can run but can't do anything else, Mainoo can dribble in tight spaces and shoot but can't pass or run, Bruno .. well he's the best we've got at CM but he's a lightweight and heroball tendencies from deep are worrying.

I can't for the life of me understand why we never fix the midfield in this club. It goes back to the McFred + Pogba days and probably before that all the way back to Scholes coming out of retirement and Fergie's no value in the market comments. There was one, proper, functional midfield for about 6 months in the last 10 years with Matic, Pogba and Herrera and they played like 5 games with each other.

Even now the template is so obvious .. let's hope we get Ederson and Ederson is actually a good midfielder.
 
if he stays it will be a crucial summer fitness wise for him. Watching him move out there is just painful to watch right now.
 
I still have hopes for Wharton / Stiller but Ederson's stats profile looks good. I've never really watched him play, so I have no idea what he'll bring. Do you think he can be the deepest midfielder receiving the ball from CBs and playing it out?

Anyway, I'll take any actual central midfielder at this point. Every single one we have has some weird limitation or other. Casemiro can't run, Ugarte can run but can't do anything else, Mainoo can dribble in tight spaces and shoot but can't pass or run, Bruno .. well he's the best we've got at CM but he's a lightweight and heroball tendencies from deep are worrying.

I can't for the life of me understand why we never fix the midfield in this club. It goes back to the McFred + Pogba days and probably before that all the way back to Scholes coming out of retirement and Fergie's no value in the market comments. There was one, proper, functional midfield for about 6 months in the last 10 years with Matic, Pogba and Herrera and they played like 5 games with each other.

Even now the template is so obvious .. let's hope we get Ederson and Ederson is actually a good midfielder.

Stiller would be better at the deeplying role as he is a bit of a specialist. Ederson is a bit of an all rounder who can play as a 6 and an 8. Has a great engine and can progress the ball well. He is similar in profile to Rice in a way bit all action and can do many things. I wouldn’t say he is a technical passing specialist like Stiller but his passing is good

I think both would be good options at United
 
This is just a handy excuse for players. Great players will be able to fit into just about any system - but we always hear this excuse trotted out for Utd players, oh he’d be great in X/Y/Z formation. It was the same with Sancho, and Rashford and many more before them - if they were good enough they would show it. Same thing applies to Garnacho now and also to Mainoo. He had a handful of good games when he first came into the team, was accelerated into the England team and has shown moments of quality - but only moments. Far more we have seen a player struggle to impact games whether as a 6/8/10 and who looks too pedestrian to play midfield in the Premier League
Well most of our players seem to have regressed under amorim so something is causing this whether it's the system or his coach9ng I don't know but the idea we can just start again with a new set of players is unrealistic
 
Well most of our players seem to have regressed under amorim so something is causing this whether it's the system or his coach9ng I don't know but the idea we can just start again with a new set of players is unrealistic
Which players have regressed from earlier this season?
 
Can you give me examples of him not showing for the ball?
Do you think players just ignored him for a laugh? He doesn’t take responsibility to get himself on the ball and make things happen. Where are your examples of Mainoo hiding?
 
Do you think players just ignored him for a laugh? He doesn’t take responsibility to get himself on the ball and make things happen. Where are your examples of Mainoo hiding?
I can't find the full game united Vs Brentford, but huge parts of that game. Incidentally it's the last time he played CM for us, later he started as a 10, did poorly, and didn't start anymore. I am guessing he's fallen out of favour with the manager.
 
i admittedly missed a lot of games over the course of this shitshow to end the season, but the last couple of times i saw him he just physically looked horrible. Watching him run was just painful to see.
 
Garnacho no. He was poor all season
You literally posted in his thread yesterday a chart of him 3rd??? In a wonderkid thing and followed it up with something along the lines of he's doing well for his age, did you not?
 
You literally posted in his thread yesterday a chart of him 3rd??? In a wonderkid thing and followed it up with something along the lines of he's doing well for his age, did you not?

For his age being the key operative. His form all season was about the same

EDIT: Infact I would say hes actually improved a bit under Amorim. Much better work rate, and got his head up more than he did earlier in the season (even though it still was not enough)
 
For his age being the key operative. His form all season was about the same
Oh no i'm getting flash backs. Not even being funny but he was 3rd in the chart you posted on like 11 g/a in 15 games, he then went on like a run of 25+ games without a goals or something (stats aren't 100% accurate, i know youre a stickler for accuracy) his form clearly wasn't the same all season.
 
Oh no i'm getting flash backs. Not even being funny but he was 3rd in the chart you posted on like 11 g/a in 15 games, he then went on like a run of 25+ games without a goals or something (stats aren't 100% accurate, i know youre a stickler for accuracy) his form clearly wasn't the same all season.

Yes he scored a bunch goals and assists early in the season in the league cup as did Rashford.

His form was the same all season, he was missing chances for fun, and not passing the ball when he should. But he also was being lazy, not tracking back etc

I think for ETH this season he got 2 goals and 1 assist in the league. And for Amorim 3 goals and 1 assist. And the split in Europa is roughly the same.

He also scored I think for Ruud against Leicester.

The 25 games was for goals, he was adding assists in some of those games sparingly. Mainly in the cup competitions again.
 
Is Mainoo our slowest player? He just seems to lack the speed you need to play on the highest level. Put him next to Casemiro in a mid 2 and it's a disaster. He can't press so number 10 is a no-go. He should be sold so we can get good money for him before his hype fades.
 
Is Mainoo our slowest player? He just seems to lack the speed you need to play on the highest level. Put him next to Casemiro in a mid 2 and it's a disaster. He can't press so number 10 is a no-go. He should be sold so we can get good money for him before his hype fades.
Well if you put 2 slow players together it probably exacerbates the problem doesn’t it? Especially when one is an immobile geriatric
 
For his age being the key operative. His form all season was about the same

EDIT: Infact I would say hes actually improved a bit under Amorim. Much better work rate, and got his head up more than he did earlier in the season (even though it still was not enough)

Complete opposite of my recollection. I thought he was really good early in the season, looked to have grown from his Euro experience. Then he got injured, and has never really found his niche in the new system. He clearly has not played as well under Amorim as he did earlier this season.
 
Complete opposite of my recollection. I thought he was really good early in the season, looked to have grown from his Euro experience. Then he got injured, and has never really found his niche in the new system. He clearly has not played as well under Amorim as he did earlier this season.
This was about Garnacho mate haha

Although I would say Mainoo looked out of sorts right from the get go this season.