Did you have the same opinion when Mason Mount was attending the front row of the boxing?
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Did you have the same opinion when Mason Mount was attending the front row of the boxing?
Is Mason Mount black?
Fair enough, but I wonder how many 20 year old central midfielders over the last decade have performed as well as Kobbie Mainoo has performed for United as an 18 year old and a 20 year old (Amorim froze him out in between)?
There isn't a footballer in the history of the game who didn't need to work a lot on his game at the age of 20. Scholes and Keane were pretty raw at the age of 20 and neither hit their peak until they were 26 or 27 years old. Hanging the word "poor" all over Mainoo completely ignores the fact that he's an outstanding young talent who seems older than he really is precisely because of how good he is.
See a fair few have turned on him now. Shame but to be expected.
And there we go. Spot on with the issue.
You say that as if he didn't start most of the matches for us in the league last season that he was available for
Guess we all know who Owen Hargo is voting for
I can't believe the damage Amorim has done in terms of turning a decently sized section of our fanbase against Mainoo.
It's one thing to fairly critique his game. I'm a fan but, yeah, he has a lot of things to work on improving. He's 20. It's another thing to now constantly question and attack his character. He's never done anything unprofessional here. Attending basketball games, requesting a loan when you know the manager isn't going fo play you in a world cup year, and his brother being an attention seeker don't warrant the comments being made, imo.
It's one thing to fairly critique his game. I'm a fan but, yeah, he has a lot of things to work on improving. He's 20. It's another thing to now constantly question and attack his character. He's never done anything unprofessional here. Attending basketball games, requesting a loan when you know the manager isn't going fo play you in a world cup year, and his brother being an attention seeker don't warrant the comments being made, imo.
I’m not English, and it’s crazy how this has turned personal in other posts. I’m also using this as a general reply to others since I’m still a newbie here and have limited posts left today, so this can’t be some kind of discrimination in anyway.
Take Mason Mount as an example. He’s a player who doesn’t mind being on the bench and being an extra option when needed. He hasn’t acted the way Mainoo had. He’s also a Champions League winner with Chelsea, so he’s not someone who has won nothing while pretending to be the next big English superstar. That said, I still can’t wait to see the back of him at Manchester United. I don’t think he’s good enough, he’s always injured, I never thought he deserved the number 7, and I never thought we even needed him in the first place.
Regarding the picture everyone is laughing about with Casemiro, I’ve criticized him before as well. I didn’t like that he travelled to Miami during a break. Even with private travel, going across time zones during a 10 day or two week break isn’t wise, as players can come back stiff and not ready to train properly. So I’ve been consistent in criticizing that. Not because he attended the game which is nothing wrong with it. I’m criticizing the attitude that comes with it. Uncle was not in first row even his instagram posts he limits replies. He clearly wants to stay low profile and not act like a flashy star. Problem is everyone again knows what I meant and its also the same situation we had to deal with Garnacho, Sancho, Rashford and Pogba and they somehow are silent after they leave. They thrive over the attention this massive club brings to them and they somehow silent when they leave and dont mind being second option.
We are the biggest club in the world, maybe second only to Real Madrid. If that’s what we are, we should be at the top of the table year in, year out. We should be winning league titles, and at worst we should always be reaching the quarter finals of the Champions League. Manchester United should not be satisfied with FA Cups, and we should not be celebrating FA Cups or Carabao Cups as major achievements. Those competitions should be squad rotation tournaments, not trophies that define our success. Some people assume Mainoo is already a winner because he scored in an FA Cup final, but scoring in an FA Cup final is not enough for Manchester United standards. This club should be winning league titles, not celebrating secondary cups as if they define success.
The amount of free time players seem to have to celebrate is again a reflection of an underperforming squad. We’ve had losses to teams like Grimsby, Brighton, and Spurs in a final last season, and this is the result of a squad acting as if they represent this huge institution of Manchester United, when in reality they cannot fill the shoes, cannot close the gaps, and cannot perform at the level that is expected.
That’s yet another of the things I hold against Amorim, he somehow made our academy a polarising topic amongst our fanbase who used to almost universally cherish it.
Sir Matt, Sir Alex, Eric Harrison…..
What is Malacia doing here? But it seems 3 of these players have one common trait but I still can’t figure out what it is.
Im almost sure Pogba has that trait as well. Call me crazy but I cant remember what it is
Correlation is no causation. Now let me ask you this, including Pogba, all the names mentioned above, have you noticed any change of attitude since they left the club? Malacia is still sticking around and cant be sold for pennies so that does not apply on him.
Many many players use this club for attention seeking and they thrive around it without working for it on the pitch. I could add Rasmus here for his this is what a great decision looks like and he won a trophy for his club but literally targeting his former audience on social media, small player mentality.
Footballers go to watch other sporting events. Well shock horror.
How has Mainoo acted?
You must be having a laugh if you think Amorim has made our academy a polarising topic amongst our fanbase because some posters are debating whether Mainoo is actually good enough. He has got the talent, but he seriously lacks some things that are crucial to be successful at the highest level in the league. Whether he develops the way everyone hopes is a serious concern, and we should absolutely avoid not signing midfielders because we have Mainoo, who may become good enough in a few years. This obsession with Amorim destroying the club is bizarre.
A quote from my original post which perhaps you missed? "Midfielder is tough and Scholes wasn’t ready for midfield until much later"
Of course he can improve and of course what he has achieved at 20 is exceptional, hence why we have to be patient but that doesn't change the fact that right now he is not good enough in some aspects of his game to maintain a place. He may improve on some of the items and he may never be good at some of them (Scholes for example was awful at tackling his entire career). Every player has strengths and weaknesses. Right now though his strengths don't compensate for the his weaknesses enough, though that may well change.
Is that a joke?
Prior to Amorim Kobbie was almost universally being praised whilst still a teenager, during Amorims rein of terror he was obviously ostracized for some insane reason and the fans were gaslit into thinking what Amorim said was 100% not to say there wasn't a kernel of truth in what he said also we were talking about a 19 year old at the time don't forget, Carrick put him straight into the team we saw our results improve to almost league winning form and yet still some of you pint out the same old shite with no one actually coming to the point that he is still only 20 with 1 year of development in the 1st team stunted for someones own vanity project.
In short a 20 year old talented player is sure to have a lot of things they need to improve on but let's not forget he also has many things he does very well too
This isn’t a very good example. If Mount (who I don’t mind) kicked off about not being a regular in the starting XI with his availability during his time here, that would had next level “bad apple” stuff.
He even got a start in the EL final and our first game of the new season with all of our new signings (sans Lammens) fit for selection.
He also gets paid about $300k a week.
No.
He played 1600 minutes last season which is fine for a 20 year old. People want to make this an Amorim Vs Kobbie thing but he was already struggling for form under Ten Hag. People must have really short memories.
It’s not just whether Kobbie Mainoo is good enough (that’s your strawman to what I said), not exclusive to Mainoo, and not even just discussed on here. The academy topic caused regular discourse all over social media this season (and still does) with people seemingly picking sides between the previous manager and the youth.
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Yet you listed Malacia in the list.
If you can’t comprehend sarcasm, let me tell it straight: your posts reek of covert racism.
« black player doing [insert whatever activity a 20yo with money might do] during holidays is a lack of professionalism ». This rhetoric has been used again and again and Pogba was a prime example of media and public attention turning on him for whatever minor thing.
Maguire was arrested in Greece during holidays if you recall, why dont you list him? Most players attend sporting events, and travel far during their breaks. Mainoo so far has shown nothing indicating he wants to be a rapper as you put it.
Oh and btw Yoro travelled with him, is he an attention seeking player too?
Good lord this batch of newbies is horrendous and they even double down on their less than intelligent takes
Rarely played in central midfield and mostly played against the guff teams in the EL but whatever
It was long before Amorim.
He was being universally praised because he was 18 and putting in better performances than he is doing now, the age of 21 (in 2 weeks). He has not developed much, if at all, since his breakthrough. Prior to Amorim he was already struggling, so this has not anything to do with him. Sure, not playing him much was just silly, but there were not insane reasons. He didn't fit into a midfield two the way we played, and Casemiro/Bruno were better than him in that role, any way. Our results improving has very little to do with Mainoo playing, and you know that.
He is really struggling to keep up with the pace of the game, and he isn't really impacting the game in any area of the pitch to be a starter next season.
Which is normal for a youngster no?
Are we at the point where we moan if 1600 minutes weren't against top opponents for a 20 year old?
Obviously he was pushed out this season as backup but last season he played plenty he just wasn't very good. Youngsters have dips in form surprisingly.
The vast majority of posters on here turned on a lot of players that played under Amorim, or questioned certain decisions he made. He drops Mainoo, the fans complain and start to proclaim him to be a better player than he is. Amad at RWB? He's shit there and should only be played on the wing. He plays Maguire, shit. He plays Bruno, should have been sold. He plays Casemiro, he's shit. We sign Dorgu, his technical ability is not PL level. Drops Garnacho, it's a travesty.
In time, a section of fans/posters on here have been proven wrong on every account. Amorim might not have got the results or whatever, but he knew what he was seeing when he watched these players every day.
Mainoo started most of the PL games he was fit for under Amorim last season. Most of them in central midfield. The main reason he started getting dropped right at the end of the season and then all of this season was because he was performing poorly (which he had been all season, including under ETH).
Now obviously Amorim went overboard with it this season and Mainoo should have got more minutes than he did. But Mainoo does have to take some of the blame for that himself, and his poor performances were already being criticised to some extent before Amorim joined and certainly before Amorim started dropping him.
Contract extension close apparently.
Aye. He should go to Greece and start punching locals on his holiday instead. Case and Ugarte were also in America watching NBA games with photos on social media during this break so that’s a strange example.
He’s literally a 20 year old, who’s dedicated his whole life to football and doing well for himself. I’d advise you to step outside your front door and enjoy some of this beautiful weather today.
Don't see the problem with what they do off the pitch, as long as he's performing on.
It's the same kind of argument as some used to have about WAGs staying with the England team because they'd drain their mojos.
I wonder how he'd do with someone like Caicedo next to him.
It's the same kind of argument as some used to have about WAGs staying with the England team because they'd drain their mojos.
I wonder how he'd do with someone like Caicedo next to him.
You can tell we're short of games and proper things to discuss and debate, this thread has become ridiculous.
Didn't help your cause. How much training has Mainoo missed due to attending a basketball game?
he's 21 next week, that's still young for midfielder, but the proiblem which everyone else is highlighting is that he quite clearly doesnt posses the standout attributes of a CM. I think he can improve as well as much as any other player can do at this stage, but he will hardly start spraying balls around the pitch if he usually just plays safe passes and a lot of them backwards already.
Whenever he's attempting anythign over the top the accuracy is really not there at all. Then his physical attributes are setting us back in midfield too, with him on the pitch we cant simply play more up the pitch chasing the ball. This has to change with more physical football we need to play to succeed at the top level. Football is atheltic sport, at least at the CM, these type of players are needed.
I did miss that. Apologies.
Even so, you give Kobbie way too much stick. Every player, even at the age of 30 and not 20, could improve their game, but why the insistence on minimizing Kobbie’s strengths and exaggerating his weaknesses? He has literally no more than 12 starts since Amorim froze him out for nearly all of his miserable tenure at United. The difference Kobbie has made in transforming our control of midfield before and after Amorim has been, at the risk of understatement, noteworthy.
We’re not asking Mainoo to do what Bruno and Casemiro do. We’re asking him to be the link between those two and he’s done it quite well. Actually, remarkably well given his still extremely young age for a midfielder at one the biggest clubs on the planet. Yes, he needs to improve, but that can be said of virtually every 20 year old footballer on the planet. The question before us is whether to allow Kobbie to continue to improve by giving him starts or whether to give up on Kobbie now and either relegate him to being a squad man or sell him to another club and use those proceeds to buy the polished gem.
I still have not seen one poster here offer a name of a better 20 year central midfielder.