[Lash]

I'm saying it's one possibility, not that it's the only one. Not relevant to Mainoo but the things that might be described as part of a technical game are really no different, with hand-eye coordination, balance, speed of thought etc we all have a maximum level we can achieve, due to a combination of environment and genetics. The environment could be diet, training, practice, some things you can improve and some you can't, but the genetics you're pretty well stuck with. We are all genetically pre-disposed as you say in some surprising ways, how we react to infection and disease, how we age, our mental health and so on.

Having said all that I'd best say I'm definitely no expert, just relying on general knowledge, so I'll bow out now, although I'll tag a couple of people who actually are knowledgeable on the subject and maybe they can say if I'm talking bollocks or not, if they wish. @Wibble @Pogue Mahone

Yeah I think you might be confusing two things though. To find the limit you're talking about, you would literally have to be hyper specific in the stimulus to guarentee that you've reached that limit. Football isn't really conducive to hitting the heights of physical endurance because you do need to have strength and tehcnial ability along side it. There's just simply not a way to train all those three things and you be the absloute best you physically can be at them, because you're splitting the training and stimulus across three things. As @JPRouve alluded to earlier, if you wanted to improve your stamina, your training block would require lots of volume. Players can't just take off 3 months in a season so solely dedicate it to training stamina - that's what elite runners would do, as their sports lead up to one track meet - Olympics or World Championships for example.

Now, genetics come into play in the sense of someone like Traore, not needing anywhere close to the stimulus to put on muscle mass that everyone else does or metabolism for others (I'm looking at you Shaw). It's so multi faceted and hard to control, that I'm not sure even a sports scientist could really ever predict anything with great certainty - unless in lab conditions.

edit: Apologies, looks like I just reguritated @Wibble's point in a dumber way.

 

[Fortitude]

Imagine siding with Amorim over our own youth. This thread is staggering. And not in a good way.

 

[Ljungster]

The guy has barely played. I agree he hasnt looked great when he has come on, but he is playing in a system and position that doesn't suit him. we don't know what he looks like in training, though there were some social posts not that long ago about all the hard work on stamina training he was doing. ETH didn't play Amad, was he not showing in training? Amorim has made it clear Mainoo is playing for Bruno's position, the player that is rarely injured and never dropped. Its also a position that really doesnt suit Mainoo. So yes its very unclear what his level is. But be in doubt he will never look good under this system and this manager. Sick of fans constantly attacking the players, especially one of the few genuine home grown talents around the first team.

I'm not attacking him in any sense but trying to put another perspective on it. If he doesn't suit the system, maybe he should work on his weaknesses with long balls etc?

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Let’s be honest Mainoo has done anything over the last 12mrhs that’s screams put me in the team but I’d rather see him in there than Ugarte who’s gone so far backwards someone needs to check up on him. I’d rather Mainoo gets his minutes any day of the week and I used to think Ugarte could do a job. Not anymore. Pointless sub as he can’t protect the back line which is his primary job.

 

[Wibble]

L

Thanks Wibs. A new battery doesn't sound right either so I give in.

Another thing is that if an athlete does have physiological challenges (genetic or otherwise) they are what may need working on just as hard (or harder) than the areas where they can more easily excel and advance - making the most of what you do have type of thing.

 

[TempusFugit]

I don't think anybody really regret selling Scott. But I am certain that Mainoo will never even come close to the the level that McTominay has reached as a player now.

Very bold statement. Mctominay was universally regarded as not good enough while he was here, maybe Mainoo needs to leave as well to actually show what he's worth. He won't improve or show anything worthwhile by playing 10-15mins every 4 or 5 games. The club needs to grant his loan request, this manager will never use him properly.

 

[VP89]

There's a lot of nonsense being posted here about a teenager with very high talent who has been in a disfucntional team and club in his career so far.

 

[united for life]

Amorim can f off for the way he is managing Mainoo. Not getting a minute in yesterday’s game while subbing on a defender in the 88th minute shows how clueless he is. We have a midfield that can’t control games, I am not saying Kobe is Xavi but I am not convinced he only gets 120 minutes or so in the league so far. Judging him based on cameos is also not fair. He needs to be given proper chance.

Move Cunha to 9, Bruno to a 10 and start playing Mainoo. He showed lots of potential, last year was tough, but writing him off like this is wrong by all means especially that our performances are appalling.

 

[userman]

I've said it before, but I believe that Mainoo's hinder in fitting to Amorims system isn't necessarily the type of player that he is but that he's incompatible with anyone else of our CM options.
I genuinly belive it's best for both Mainoo and us as a club, for the longer term, to loan him out until summer. In the summer it's inevitable that we will rebuild our CM with our options facing uncertain futures. Whoever we sign in the summer must raise our athletical level as well as being more well rounded CMs. If/when this happens it's also MUCH better conditions for Mainoo to thrive also in this system.

 

[dubplate warrior]

He's a top class talent being ruined by a shite manager. It's bizarre that we're pursuing this project.

 

[IncyWincySpider]

Imagine siding with Amorim over our own youth. This thread is staggering. And not in a good way.

It's really depressing to read.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Amorim has lost me exatly on this, the absolute stubborn, clueless pretender of a Top flight Manager.

If he wants to continue with his shit system, the obvious thing would have been long ago to give Mainoo a run of games in the CM position alongside Casemiro or Ugarte and push Bruno to where he belongs, the fecking Nr. 10 Position!

But no, he seems to try to prove some kind of weird point and keeps playing Bruno out of Positon while keeping Mainoo on the bank. (And will probably even sell him as soon as possible). And even worse, he keeps bringing on a shit and out of Form player in Ugarte before Mainoo. And publicy starts to laugh if Mainoo's Name is mentioned in pressconferences.

I'm sure he will find ways to continue with Bruno in CM and Mainoo on the bench even during AFCON where we will be without Mbeumo/Diallo. Amorim is a disgrace and deserves the sack for this reasons alone.

 

[ForeverRed1]

If I’m him I’m calling my agent and telling him that I need to leave in Jan, no if buts or maybes.

 

[bosnian_red]

Said it at the start of the season that if we cared about his development, we'd have loaned him. Looks instead that we intentionally are alienating him to sell him for a greatly reduced value again. Great stuff.

 

[Gavinb33]

That laugh was maybe the most unprofessional thing I've seen him do, the derisory nature of it speaks for itself, if I'm Kobbie I'm on my bike

 

[hellhunter]

Said it at the start of the season that if we cared about his development, we'd have loaned him. Looks instead that we intentionally are alienating him to sell him for a greatly reduced value again. Great stuff.

This seems exactly like what is happening. A repeat of Garnacho, only this time twice as painful, because Amorim has no idea how to use him.

I felt Kobbie showed great maturity in asking for a loan instead of a transfer. He, like most players, must be aware of the possibility to outlive Amorim at United

 

[Varane around town]

It’s quite simple really,

If United were in the top 4, playing well and going places. Then Kobbie would be seen as an unfortunate casualty for the greater ‘project’

When we’re playing turgid football and we’ve got a manager who’d rather play Ayden Heaven as the middle centre-back than change his system. It really rankles.

 

[gza the genius]

I just keep going back to the fact that I could understand the lack of playing time and all that if the midfielders Amorim was choosing was working, but it’s very clearly not. I could even understand technically that Amorim thinks Bruno and Casemiro are more complimentary of each others skill sets or whatever else. But, our midfield gets overrun every single game and every single time Amorim tries to fix it by subbing in Ugarte and then we immediately concede. It just seems like Mainoo is the only one held accountable / punished while Bruno and Casemiro and Ugarte play no matter what.

Like @Varane around town said above too - if we’re playing well and get in to Europe you could just about stomach it but we’re going to lose Mainoo and finish in the bottom half of the table still.

 

[Skills]

Why is that even his decision to make? Managers don't operate on a long-term time horizon, since their tenures are usually only 1-3 years long.

When given the choice, more often than not, they'll choose to hoard players in the squad, even if it's not in the long-term interest of the club or the player in question.

Ole stopped us from selling Lingard on our last chance to recoup some money for him, after his West Ham loan...

 

[AndyMUFC]

Amorim played him as a striker and a number 10 last season so clearly saw something in him as a forward thinking player. Even if you stick him there it's more likely to make a difference when you need a goal than bringing on another fecking centre back.

We know he's got his flaws off the ball which is probably why he's not playing, but he's one of the few players we've got that can actually pass a ball so it's really frustrating what's happening.

 

[Telsim]

Unless he has been diabolical behind the scenes, the way this club has handled this has been nothing short of atrocious. It was obvious to absolutely everyone that he doesn't really have a place in this system, that he can't play alongside Casemiro or Ugarte in a double pivot, and that he is not starting ahead of Bruno Fernandes anyway. Whether or not he is good enough for teams of this level is not just unknown at this present time but also completely irrelevant to the point - I'm dead certain there would have been takers this summer for a good fee, both from within the Premier League and abroad. It's ludicrous to suggest he wouldn't garner considerable interest. Instead, he was left to hang on the sidelines for God knows how long during an extremely important point in his career. I have seen people harping on about having to prove himself, but he has barely been given a chance to do so, and he would have to do it in a system that would exacerbate his weaknesses.

I personally think, and have said so many times, that he should have been sold this summer, because that is when he would have fetched the highest fee given the circumstances. Next summer it won't be and United will have to deal with a player that wants to leave. Another one in a long line of failures by these owners.

 

[Thom Merrilin]

I think a more representative sample is this season, where he's had more say over squad building. He's green lighted Amass and Collyer going out on loan in a season where we needed depth at CDM and LWB. Academy player involvement for the club this season, across both PL and League Cup, has been Mainoo for 261' and Fredricson for 45' - we're on course for the lowest academy player minutes at United in the PL era. Also nitpicking, but Chido Obi and Heaven are more Arsenal graduates than ours - Heaven made his debut for Arsenal last year.



He also undermined the club's position and Garnacho's fee with directed public criticism at the end of last season and ostracizing the player to the point of hostility. This is also the manager who's said that he'd rather play the GK coach over Rashford. I think it's pretty fair to say he's got no special place in his heart for United's academy traditions.



I agree, Mainoo has not looked great this season. Specifically, in this run of minutes he's had so far:

90' (2:2 D Grimsby, where despite a poor game he had an assist playing in a mid 2)
45'
28'
4'
24'
13'
5'
20'
32'

He's a young midfielder, playing in a midfield two (which highlights his weaknesses over his strengths), adjusting to a new front three, has been publicly told he's competing for a spot with the club captain and the most productive player in the side. Do you think it's his fault he's been poor? Maybe it's not the young academy kid who's looked like he belongs in an England shirt and has already scored against Liverpool and City (FA Cup Final). Maybe it's the worst United manager in PL history who swaps a CB on for another when we're chasing goals at home against relegation sides. I wouldn't blame Mainoo when he's never had a fair run of games to show what he can do.
Given the way so many buy Amorim's dim view of Mainoo, the club choice to block a loan move, and the fact that most of his friends are gone while he's stuck here at less than 30k a week watching his career disappear - no wonder he doesn't want to sign a new contract.

You make some good points. It is undeniable that we're not really playing youth that much this season. I guess it's just about whether you think it's Amorim's fault or due to other circumstances. Personally, I don't think there have been any players come through who demand a first team spot, even Mainoo. Couple that with only playing once a week and being under huge pressure to win, why should Amorim (from his perspective) give academy players a chance?

I love the tradition of youth and academy players having a big role at the club but I don't see why Amorim would care, aside from keeping up appearances. It shouldn't be his call anyways, imo but that's probably a whole different discussion.

On Mainoo. I like him and he's technically great in certain areas but I've never quite understood the hype around him. Yes, I actually do think his poor performances are his fault. You can argue that Amorim is making it difficult for him to perform well, which is fair, but the main problem as I see it is that the guy just can't or won't run with intensity. I don't know why but he's either unathletic or lazy/unmotivated, both are good reasons for why he shouldn't be playing.

 

[beck7]

I think a more representative sample is this season, where he's had more say over squad building. He's green lighted Amass and Collyer going out on loan in a season where we needed depth at CDM and LWB. Academy player involvement for the club this season, across both PL and League Cup, has been Mainoo for 261' and Fredricson for 45' - we're on course for the lowest academy player minutes at United in the PL era. Also nitpicking, but Chido Obi and Heaven are more Arsenal graduates than ours - Heaven made his debut for Arsenal last year.



He also undermined the club's position and Garnacho's fee with directed public criticism at the end of last season and ostracizing the player to the point of hostility. This is also the manager who's said that he'd rather play the GK coach over Rashford. I think it's pretty fair to say he's got no special place in his heart for United's academy traditions.



I agree, Mainoo has not looked great this season. Specifically, in this run of minutes he's had so far:

90' (2:2 D Grimsby, where despite a poor game he had an assist playing in a mid 2)
45'
28'
4'
24'
13'
5'
20'
32'

He's a young midfielder, playing in a midfield two (which highlights his weaknesses over his strengths), adjusting to a new front three, has been publicly told he's competing for a spot with the club captain and the most productive player in the side. Do you think it's his fault he's been poor? Maybe it's not the young academy kid who's looked like he belongs in an England shirt and has already scored against Liverpool and City (FA Cup Final). Maybe it's the worst United manager in PL history who swaps a CB on for another when we're chasing goals at home against relegation sides. I wouldn't blame Mainoo when he's never had a fair run of games to show what he can do.
Given the way so many buy Amorim's dim view of Mainoo, the club choice to block a loan move, and the fact that most of his friends are gone while he's stuck here at less than 30k a week watching his career disappear - no wonder he doesn't want to sign a new contract.





A cup final goal against derby rivals isn't a bad return for a 30k/week homegrown investment. To convince players like him to stay and work hard, we needed to give him a fair offer AND show him that we want to win silverware with him as a part of our team. When you don't do the latter, you usually have to pay up for the former. I think he's justified in asking for that fat check.

That’s what I don’t understand with the fan base. An FA cup final goal doesn’t mean much. The manager who won us that should have been fired that summer.
It should ultimately about where we want to be and who we recruit and keep to acheive that goal. I know the club has a history of promoting youngsters that have done great doesn’t mean we start baking manipulated by that history to see things in player that don’t have that. I know the people here tie the manager’s struggles with why Mainoo should be given more chance but if I see it from an independent eye I just don’t see a world class player but a player who showed moments of good things relatively to an average or below average players in the ETH and southgate era.

 

[spwd]

Xxxx!

 

[spwd]

I think a more representative sample is this season, where he's had more say over squad building. He's green lighted Amass and Collyer going out on loan in a season where we needed depth at CDM and LWB. Academy player involvement for the club this season, across both PL and League Cup, has been Mainoo for 261' and Fredricson for 45' - we're on course for the lowest academy player minutes at United in the PL era. Also nitpicking, but Chido Obi and Heaven are more Arsenal graduates than ours - Heaven made his debut for Arsenal last year.



He also undermined the club's position and Garnacho's fee with directed public criticism at the end of last season and ostracizing the player to the point of hostility. This is also the manager who's said that he'd rather play the GK coach over Rashford. I think it's pretty fair to say he's got no special place in his heart for United's academy traditions.



I agree, Mainoo has not looked great this season. Specifically, in this run of minutes he's had so far:

90' (2:2 D Grimsby, where despite a poor game he had an assist playing in a mid 2)
45'
28'
4'
24'
13'
5'
20'
32'

He's a young midfielder, playing in a midfield two (which highlights his weaknesses over his strengths), adjusting to a new front three, has been publicly told he's competing for a spot with the club captain and the most productive player in the side. Do you think it's his fault he's been poor? Maybe it's not the young academy kid who's looked like he belongs in an England shirt and has already scored against Liverpool and City (FA Cup Final). Maybe it's the worst United manager in PL history who swaps a CB on for another when we're chasing goals at home against relegation sides. I wouldn't blame Mainoo when he's never had a fair run of games to show what he can do.
Given the way so many buy Amorim's dim view of Mainoo, the club choice to block a loan move, and the fact that most of his friends are gone while he's stuck here at less than 30k a week watching his career disappear - no wonder he doesn't want to sign a new contract.





A cup final goal against derby rivals isn't a bad return for a 30k/week homegrown investment. To convince players like him to stay and work hard, we needed to give him a fair offer AND show him that we want to win silverware with him as a part of our team. When you don't do the latter, you usually have to pay up for the former. I think he's justified in asking for that fat check.

Thank you.

 

[statpadders]

I would be happy if he showed some effort. Good first step.

He has. Just because he can't run like a headless chicken all over the pitch, doesn't mean he hasn't shown effort. Players who are elegant on and off the ball don't automatically lack effort.

Impact... our captain has been poor but not as bad as Kobbie.. Bruno has 2 goals 5 assists this season so far.

What do you expect of substitutes btw? surely an impact. When the team is losing or drawing to come on and have some impact. We have looked worse when he comes on.

We haven't looked worse when he comes on. None of us can remember all the matches and all the (few) minutes he has played in those. BTW he has just played 171 minutes in the PL over 14 matches (1260 minutes) so that's an incredible 12 minutes on average per match.

Let's look at his performances this season with some colors

Burnley: 45 minutes: Excellent. We scored all our goals after Kobbie comes on ----
City: 28 minutes: For some reason, Kobbie isn't rewarded for his excellent performance against Burnley and comes on only after we go 2-0 down against City. Okay game ----
Chelsea: 3 minutes:
Brentford: 24 minutes: Loses the ball in the 90th minute which results in a goal. We were already losing 2-1 ----
Sunderland: 13 minutes: We are winning 2-0, keeps it simple ----
Liverpool: 5 minutes
Brighton: 20 minutes. Okay game. Not at fault for any of the 2 goals we concede late. ----
Everton: 32 minutes: A collective sh** display against 10 men. Can not do much here. ----
Palace: 1 minute

So yeah, he hasn't been bad at all even when given as few minutes. I don't want to make this into another Bruno thread but our captain was one of our worst players until our purple patch this season, yet Kobbie didn't get a look in.

In fact the most damning evidence of our manager being unfair is when we go back to last season, Kobbie comes on and scores a wonderful goal to take the game to extra time against Lyon. After that how many minutes does he get in the next rounds of EL? 6, 9 and 1 minute in the final.

I genuinely don’t understand how fans can’t see how poorly our manager handles player minutes. We’re willing to throw one of our best talents under the bus for a manager who plays everyone out of position and is unbelievably rigid and stubborn.

 

[Andy_Cole]

This feels like one of those memorable final interviews of a manager. It’s near the end for him.

 

[bosnian_red]

Pretty obvious where Scholes sits on this! On his Instagram straight up said Amorim is ruining him. 100% true. Amorim has been the worst United manager I've ever seen at youth development and integration.

 

[Red the Bear]

Any long term decision on him should be postponed till amorim's own situation solidifies, it would be idiotic to part ways with one such as him to appease a manger who might barely outlast him.

 

[Yagami]

He has. Just because he can't run like a headless chicken all over the pitch, doesn't mean he hasn't shown effort. Players who are elegant on and off the ball don't automatically lack effort.



We haven't looked worse when he comes on. None of us can remember all the matches and all the (few) minutes he has played in those. BTW he has just played 171 minutes in the PL over 14 matches (1260 minutes) so that's an incredible 12 minutes on average per match.

Let's look at his performances this season with some colors

Burnley: 45 minutes: Excellent. We scored all our goals after Kobbie comes on ----
City: 28 minutes: For some reason, Kobbie isn't rewarded for his excellent performance against Burnley and comes on only after we go 2-0 down against City. Okay game ----
Chelsea: 3 minutes:
Brentford: 24 minutes: Loses the ball in the 90th minute which results in a goal. We were already losing 2-1 ----
Sunderland: 13 minutes: We are winning 2-0, keeps it simple ----
Liverpool: 5 minutes
Brighton: 20 minutes. Okay game. Not at fault for any of the 2 goals we concede late. ----
Everton: 32 minutes: A collective sh** display against 10 men. Can not do much here. ----
Palace: 1 minute

So yeah, he hasn't been bad at all even when given as few minutes. I don't want to make this into another Bruno thread but our captain was one of our worst players until our purple patch this season, yet Kobbie didn't get a look in.

In fact the most damning evidence of our manager being unfair is when we go back to last season, Kobbie comes on and scores a wonderful goal to take the game to extra time against Lyon. After that how many minutes does he get in the next rounds of EL? 6, 9 and 1 minute in the final.

I genuinely don’t understand how fans can’t see how poorly our manager handles player minutes. We’re willing to throw one of our best talents under the bus for a manager who plays everyone out of position and is unbelievably rigid and stubborn.

Great post! Though I will say I thought his showing against City was better than "okay". He was our only player that actually looked like he belonged technically on the same field as their players, and he was rewarded with a 3 minute sub appearance the next game. I also thought he played well against Brentford despite the mistake.

The only thing you can say is that he didn't take his opportunity against Grimsby, but everyone was awful that game and, imo, he was our best player. That's not saying much, no, and I'm not even saying he played well, but I thought everyone else was worse. It was just an awful game all round.

You mention it but people forget that Mainoo can popup with big moments. You mention Lyon. There's also his late winner against Wolves, almost got the winner against Liverpool but they equalised, assisted a winner against Sheffield, scored the winner against City in the final.

Amorim acting like he would've done nothing in an attacking sense - and some of our fans agreeing - is crazy to me. He may have been ineffective but we've seen that he can produce some magic to win games. To pretend he can't isn't right. When our options are as bad as they are, he should be coming on.

It's not even about producing a game defining moment. I think some people have forgot that he's actually a good footballer. The way I see some talk about him, you'd think he was a lower division player who's always looked out of his depth when, in fact, he's had a lot of impressive performances against some of the countries best. Playing him isn't the handicap some pretend it is.

 

[surf]

Poor response from Amorim about Mainoo. The manager could be on a slippery slope if he talks about other players in the same way.

 

[statpadders]

Great post! Though I will say I thought his showing against City was better than "okay". He was our only player that actually looked like he belonged technically on the same field as their players, and he was rewarded with a 3 minute sub appearance the next game. I also thought he played well against Brentford despite the mistake.

The only thing you can say is that he didn't take his opportunity against Grimsby, but everyone was awful that game and, imo, he was our best player. That's not saying much, no, and I'm not even saying he played well, but I thought everyone else was worse. It was just an awful game all round.

You mention it but people forget that Mainoo can popup with big moments. You mention Lyon. There's also his late winner against Wolves, almost got the winner against Liverpool but they equalised, assisted a winner against Sheffield, scored the winner against City in the final.

Amorim acting like he would've done nothing in an attacking sense - and some of our fans agreeing - is crazy to me. He may have been ineffective but we've seen that he can produce some magic to win games. To pretend he can't isn't right. When our options are as bad as they are, he should be coming on.

It's not even about producing a game defining moment. I think some people have forgot that he's actually a good footballer. The way I see some talk about him, you'd think he was a lower division player who's always looked out of his depth when, in fact, he's had a lot of impressive performances against some of the countries best. Playing him isn't the handicap some pretend it is.

I don't remember the City performance to be honest and that's the problem. I don't think most fans can remember past the last couple of games so they come up with redundant statements like... he has "never" made an impact or shown effort - which is just wrong when you go back and watch the games again.
He has been good even though he's not getting any regular minutes and is being played out of position.

The second part of your post is spot on as well. His most notable contributions have been in an offensive way and for the manager to laugh it off sarcastically is disgusting. This is akin to ETH's treatment of Amad when the fans were crying out for the manager to give him some minutes. We know how that one turned out and we know how this one will as well if Mainoo outlasts Amorim.

 

[sleepehead]

Poor response from Amorim about Mainoo. The manager could be on a slippery slope if he talks about other players in the same way.

Mainoo is just his next player in the doghouse. First Rashford then Garnacho, now Mainoo. Rashford and Garnacho made sense in how they acted, but honestly if we look back he could've handled each situation better. He didn't have to blast Rashford so publicly so early in his tenure. Garnacho was handled poorly too, he didn't use him early enough and then blasted him after the EL final. Now Mainoo is becoming his lightning rod of "he is the main guy". Amorim really doesn't handle things well and he's way too emotional and jumpy with the media. He's like the worse version of Mourinho with the media, and he doesn't even have enough accolades to back himself up

 

[Devil81]

Could have easily started that tonight. Casemiro will need a rest through the busy crimbo period so it made sense to rest him tonight before the games come thick and fast.

Feel really bad for him.

 

[Alemar]

Earned 2 or 3 fouls, controlled the ball well. Decent cameo

 

[Rossa]

Always seems to linger on the ball longer than he needs to when there’s a simple pass to be made to keep the team ticking. Great when it comes off and you leave two players in the dust, but it creates more dangerous situations than needs be.

 

[CMRobbo7]

He’s a class act. Whatever issue Amorim has he needs to get over it. The fans will back him if he backs our own and turn if he doesn’t.

 

[Infestissumam]

needs to leave in January for his career's sake.

 

[HankHill]

He only got minutes because we are going to need him during the AFCON period.

He'll play as one of the inside tens, or in Bruno's position if Bruno is moved forward.

I wouldn't read much into it.

 

[arthurka]

Kobbie will be the end of Amorim, you can feel the tide is turning against Amorim's handling of our Kobbie. Hope he goes (only on loan) in January because there is a spot up for grabs for England this summer and he could with good performances claim it. Sadly the chances for him to do it at United will be few and far between. Feel sorry for him.