I read this as bit and thought you were considering being a racistI’ve never known whether to go full in on the racism debate, but if Florian Wirtz played like Kobbie did yesterday and Liverpool won 5-2, he’d have had a 9/10 rating and a write up in every paper that covers sport

We’ve seen it all before with Pogba. Standard.I’ve never known whether to go full in on the racism debate, but if Florian Wirtz played like Kobbie did yesterday and Liverpool won 5-2, he’d have had a 9/10 rating and a write up in every paper that covers sport
JeezI read this as bit and thought you were considering being a racist![]()

He genuinley reminds me of Seedorf in 1996 when I see him play.He continues to visibly improve on his weaknesses over time.
He's gradually becoming more confident to ping longer passes about.
He looks to have significantly more of an engine, maintaining his work-rate through the 90 better.
And while he's not fast, there's more snap in his first couple of steps - away from a challenge or into one of his own - which really showed yesterday especially.
This is where I've arrived as well. If all someone understands is "passing it forward" then they'll be stuck in the dark for the rest of his career.Just need to accept that some people don't understand football. No amount of arguing can fix that.
It's Kobbie. Please. Annoying to see you do this so many times.Kobie Mainoo is now a footballing genius.
Why are fans saying such things?
This just increases unrealistic expectations.
Anybody who thought he had a poor 1st half. Have another look
Seems quicker and stronger and determined. Great game
I’ve never known whether to go full in on the racism debate, but if Florian Wirtz played like Kobbie did yesterday and Liverpool won 5-2, he’d have had a 9/10 rating and a write up in every paper that covers sport
CaicedoYou think? Post Roy Keane the most highly acclaimed central midfielders in the Premier League have all been black. Makalele, Vieira, Toure, Kante, Caicedo etc
I do wonder if Kobbie will take a while to get the props he deserves from the English press this specific season as that will involve acknowledging that their national team manager is a fecking idiot.

He’s one of the best in the league right now. Just because you think he doesn’t compare to previous top PL midfielders doesn’t change thatCaicedo![]()
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Pirlo didn't get known as an elite player until he went to Juve arguably. He was always highly rated but inconsistent at Milan.Maino is… 21
Pirlo, Modric or Zidane became who they were at 25
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Good ol Ben
You think? Post Roy Keane the most highly acclaimed central midfielders in the Premier League have all been black. Makalele, Vieira, Toure, Kante, Caicedo etc
I do wonder if Kobbie will take a while to get the props he deserves from the English press this specific season as that will involve acknowledging that their national team manager is a fecking idiot.
Good ol Ben
This is a weird list. Post Roy Keane would include Gerrard and Lampard's peak. There's also Fabregas, Rodri, De Bruyne, Silva, Bruno, Rice, Alonso, Cazorla etc
However I agree with your general point and disagree with the person you replied to. It's not about skin colour. It's simply the fact he went missing for 1.5 seasons, during which time United were also piss poor, and he and the team have only really kicked on during 2026. United fans have noticed already, it will take the rest of the world another 6-12 months before he starts getting the accolades he deserves IF he can keep progressing, cement his place in the side and United do well. More game time for England would also help.
Mind blowingly bad take, has he watched United this year?
I'd say your list is just as weird, considering how many of them did their best work not actually playing as a central midfielder. At least I'm being consistent with the positions they played.
I actually understand what he means here in terms of being a leader. The same sort of growth elliot Anderson's gone through over the past year. It's obviously a lot easier to do that in a Forrest team than a United team that's already got guys like Bruno in it. His original take though and how he framed it is still terrible.
He’s absolutely not one of the most acclaimed midfielders in the League. To put him in the same sentence as the other players is crazyHe’s one of the best in the league right now. Just because you think he doesn’t compare to previous top PL midfielders doesn’t change that
You didn't specify what kind of centre midfielder...half of them I listed were traditional central midfielders anyway. You also listed Yaya Toure (whose best seasons were in attacking midfield ala Gerrard) and Makelele (a pure defensive midfielder, not a central midfielder)...
I actually understand what he means here in terms of being a leader. The same sort of growth elliot Anderson's gone through over the past year. It's obviously a lot easier to do that in a Forrest team than a United team that's already got guys like Bruno in it. His original take though and how he framed it is still terrible.
If I edit the post you first quoted to add “some of” ahead of “the most highly acclaimed” will you leave me alone?
He’s not just one of the highest rated DMs in the premier league but the world, mate. He’d transform us. Like I said, just because those other names might have been better doesn’t change Caicedo’s position as one of the best right now - google relativityHe’s absolutely not one of the most acclaimed midfielders in the League. To put him in the same sentence as the other players is crazy