Kobbie Mainoo Discussion

[red_de_pologne]

Wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. None of the younger players seem to be improving which is very worrying. What the heck are we doing from a coaches perspective? Not trying to make a dig at Amorim as this is something we’ve struggled with since SAF.

I'd say Dorgu has improved, Yoro definitely, we don't have a whole lot of youngsters in other positions.

 

[Hammondo]

There is definitely a player there, the issue is the current system doesn't really suit, however, if you put him in a midfield 3 of preferably Wharton and Baleba then he would thrive, this is a kid who until recently was starting for England.

Being in a middle 3 really doesn't change anything.

 

[Hammondo]

Wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. None of the younger players seem to be improving which is very worrying. What the heck are we doing from a coaches perspective? Not trying to make a dig at Amorim as this is something we’ve struggled with since SAF.

Yoro has improved a lot. Heaven is also improving with the limited time he's getting.

 

[pascell]

I think hes nailed on for Chelsea next summer and id be happy with that, if we get £50m.

He clearly can't take criticism well and is becoming outspoken with the social media post, which wont go down well with the club.

He'd do well with someone like Caicedo next to him.

 

[Hammondo]

I think hes nailed on for Chelsea next summer and id be happy with that, if we get £50m.

He clearly can't take criticism well and is becoming outspoken with the social media post, which wont go down well with the club.

He'd do well with someone like Caicedo next to him.

You think he's getting ahead of Enzo?

 

[TR1LL]

Yeah this guy is done here. Whilst I’m still not sure of Amorim tactically, he’s definitely one to clear house and not put up with these little games, guy seems to see everything. Everyone is free to make ambiguous posts etc but let’s be honest, it really just adds to the drama. Hence why it’s being highlighted on twitter.

Don’t be surprised if you see news about Kobbie being indefinitely dropped like Rashford was. He’s getting a lot of rope because of his relatively recent emergence from the academy and success under ETH. At some point he’ll be benched until jan, go out on loan and United bring in a temp body till it all gets sorted in the summer(sold)

I get Kobbie’s angle and it’s a shame things have worked out like this. I don’t think he’s 100% faultless though. They need to just figure it out.

Either way, I don’t think he’s going to be around as long as Amorim is.

 

[MalaysianRed7]

Whenever I see bad attitude from any of them, I’m always reminded by Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho pointing middle fingers in a picture with fans in an elevator during our post-season tour in Malaysia. Amad was the only one who apologised (very profusely, in fact, he apologised twice) while the rest were/have been frozen out as part of Ruben’s cultural rebuild. Ruben himself was extremely polite and kind in Malaysia to some remarkably stupid questions by our local journalists.

I thought Mainoo was one of the alright ones, but clearly hanging about with Garnacho changed him. If this is a dig at Ruben, probably time to go - we don’t need people like him in a dressing room that largely seems very unified.

 

[Mercurial]

This drumming up drama issue is tiresome no matter who it is. Has similarities to the Henderson exit.

 

[KStandBarmyArmy1993]

Yeah but Fergie kept a lot of them in line at the same time.

Did he though? Giggs was shagging anything that moved, including his sister in law. There was a period in the 00s where Becks was known just as much for his "celebrity" status as his football ability. Keane spent a night in the cells towards the end of the Treble season.

Ultimately, they performed well on the pitch. Fergie kept them around because of that. The second that performances started to drop, they were binned. Giggs stayed because again, he always maintained consistency on the pitch.

There was also a stability around the club which also made it easier for these lads to perform even if they had things going on.

Now, in the current team, many players are making mistakes. The difference is now, the occasional indiscretion (anything from a cryptic social media post to getting pissed in the week) is deemed a massive crisis. There's a dozen back page stories about it and a million social media posts. The unwanted media attention then becomes a distraction and eventually becomes a contributing factor to poor performances.

Speaking to journalists from the 90s, they had all sorts of shit on some of our players but Fergie had a politician esque way of dealing with the media. As a result, stories never get published. No distractions. Positivity in the camp. Granted, this is harder with social media but even now, there's generally a few dozen people that control the narratives around players. If you get them onside, the narrative changes.

As an example, If Foden was at United and was "allegedly" doing the same things off the pitch that he was doing at City, there would be stories every day about him that dominate the news cycle and trending every day.

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

I'm not 100% sure how to read this post by Kobbie. I could be that he is indicating a determination to fight hard and win his place back despite challenges (which is what Ruben asked of him), if that the case than I can get behind that and support him. But if this is him feeling some sort of perceived injustice and complaining then that's a really bad sign for a 20yo prospect and the club need to be planning to sell. I hope it's the first scenario and hopefully he has not been poisoned by the behavior of the Garnachos.

 

[JTRI]

For Christ sake we’ve got another one, it’s not the clubs fault if he’s below the standard expected, he needs to look at himself.

Let him go in Jan if he’s that unhappy, as soon as this social media cryptic shite starts being posted there is rarely a way back. We’ve done well to almost rid ourselves of the whiny babies in the squad, looks like there’s one more to be shifted on.

 

[VP89]

Did he though? Giggs was shagging anything that moved, including his sister in law. There was a period in the 00s where Becks was known just as much for his "celebrity" status as his football ability. Keane spent a night in the cells towards the end of the Treble season.

Ultimately, they performed well on the pitch. Fergie kept them around because of that. The second that performances started to drop, they were binned. Giggs stayed because again, he always maintained consistency on the pitch.

There was also a stability around the club which also made it easier for these lads to perform even if they had things going on.

Now, in the current team, many players are making mistakes. The difference is now, the occasional indiscretion (anything from a cryptic social media post to getting pissed in the week) is deemed a massive crisis. There's a dozen back page stories about it and a million social media posts. The unwanted media attention then becomes a distraction and eventually becomes a contributing factor to poor performances.

Speaking to journalists from the 90s, they had all sorts of shit on some of our players but Fergie had a politician esque way of dealing with the media. As a result, stories never get published. No distractions. Positivity in the camp. Granted, this is harder with social media but even now, there's generally a few dozen people that control the narratives around players. If you get them onside, the narrative changes.

As an example, If Foden was at United and was "allegedly" doing the same things off the pitch that he was doing at City, there would be stories every day about him that dominate the news cycle and trending every day.

Yes, he kept a lot of them in line.

I'm not talking about their extra marital affairs, I'm talking about professionalism in their jobs. They can shag who they want, that's not relevant to the point I made. They all knew their role in the team and almost none of them would go out and openly criticize the manager or the squad without serious repercussions.

 

[KingEric04]

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For Christ sake we’ve got another one, it’s not the clubs fault if he’s below the standard expected, he needs to look at himself.

Let him go in Jan if he’s that unhappy, as soon as this social media cryptic shite starts being posted there is rarely a way back. We’ve done well to almost rid ourselves of the whiny babies in the squad, looks like there’s one more to be shifted on.

He's starting to turn to Garnacho 2.0. I can see us selling him the next summer if he continues to behave in this way.

Did he though? Giggs was shagging anything that moved, including his sister in law. There was a period in the 00s where Becks was known just as much for his "celebrity" status as his football ability. Keane spent a night in the cells towards the end of the Treble season.

Ultimately, they performed well on the pitch. Fergie kept them around because of that. The second that performances started to drop, they were binned. Giggs stayed because again, he always maintained consistency on the pitch.

There was also a stability around the club which also made it easier for these lads to perform even if they had things going on.

Now, in the current team, many players are making mistakes. The difference is now, the occasional indiscretion (anything from a cryptic social media post to getting pissed in the week) is deemed a massive crisis. There's a dozen back page stories about it and a million social media posts. The unwanted media attention then becomes a distraction and eventually becomes a contributing factor to poor performances.

Speaking to journalists from the 90s, they had all sorts of shit on some of our players but Fergie had a politician esque way of dealing with the media. As a result, stories never get published. No distractions. Positivity in the camp. Granted, this is harder with social media but even now, there's generally a few dozen people that control the narratives around players. If you get them onside, the narrative changes.

As an example, If Foden was at United and was "allegedly" doing the same things off the pitch that he was doing at City, there would be stories every day about him that dominate the news cycle and trending every day.

Giggs' shagging affairs hardly affected our team or his performances. Giggs had a dubious moral character but he was a great professional and was one of the most consistent players in our history. Becks was offloaded when Fergie couldn't control his celebrity lifestyle.

Fergie was mostly able to maintain the discpline within our team, especially among our younger players. Garnacho or Mainoo would never have been able to do things that they are now doing at Man Utd if Fergie was still in charge.

 

[Red the Bear]

Did he though? Giggs was shagging anything that moved, including his sister in law. There was a period in the 00s where Becks was known just as much for his "celebrity" status as his football ability. Keane spent a night in the cells towards the end of the Treble season.

Ultimately, they performed well on the pitch. Fergie kept them around because of that. The second that performances started to drop, they were binned. Giggs stayed because again, he always maintained consistency on the pitch.

There was also a stability around the club which also made it easier for these lads to perform even if they had things going on.

Now, in the current team, many players are making mistakes. The difference is now, the occasional indiscretion (anything from a cryptic social media post to getting pissed in the week) is deemed a massive crisis. There's a dozen back page stories about it and a million social media posts. The unwanted media attention then becomes a distraction and eventually becomes a contributing factor to poor performances.

Speaking to journalists from the 90s, they had all sorts of shit on some of our players but Fergie had a politician esque way of dealing with the media. As a result, stories never get published. No distractions. Positivity in the camp. Granted, this is harder with social media but even now, there's generally a few dozen people that control the narratives around players. If you get them onside, the narrative changes.

As an example, If Foden was at United and was "allegedly" doing the same things off the pitch that he was doing at City, there would be stories every day about him that dominate the news cycle and trending every day.

Your examples aren't quite appropriate to the situation at hand, gigs's was personal and it came out many gears later, we can't be sure many in the club knew about it to begin with and even if they did it didn't pertain to the footballing side of things, Beckham was booted out (pardon the pun) when Ferguson felt his celebrity had taken over even if that wasn't necessarily the case.

Going off of reports keane didn't do anything egregious that night, probably a misunderstanding.

 

[KStandBarmyArmy1993]

Ultimately, nobody has any fecking idea what's going on with Mainoo.

Comments of "Garnacho 2.0" "Self entitled" "Lazy" "Overrated" because he's seemingly desperate to play football.

Psychology and pop culture experts trying to decipher a social media post.

Again, we love knocking our young players down and spending our time trying to find reasons to dislike them. It's so weird.

He's literally done nothing out of the ordinary and nothing to warrant such a ridiculous overanalysis of his every move.

 

[The Sad Clown]

I honestly think people are missing the bigger picture with Mainoo. Of course he isn’t perfect right now – he’s 20 years old – but the qualities he already shows are the exact same ones that made players like Modrić and Pirlo world-class once they matured. Neither of those two were explosive athletes. Neither tore around the pitch with raw pace. What made them great was intelligence, composure, vision, and the ability to control the rhythm of a game.

Watch Mainoo closely and you can see the same type of traits developing. He doesn’t panic under pressure, he constantly offers himself for the ball, and he has that natural calmness in possession that you simply cannot teach. That’s why Tuchel trusts him for England already – managers recognise when a young midfielder has the temperament to grow into a top-class conductor.

The idea that he can’t succeed because he isn’t quick enough is lazy. Modrić isn’t quick. Pirlo wasn’t quick. Carrick wasn’t quick. What matters is reading the game and being in the right place at the right time, which Mainoo already does well. And with the right players around him – an energetic ball-winner and a creative partner – he can thrive in the same way those greats did.

The truth is, United finally have a midfielder who looks like he can be the heartbeat of the team for the next decade. He doesn’t need to replicate Bruno, or play like Casemiro – he needs to be Kobbie Mainoo, and that’s enough. If we nurture him properly and build around him, he can be the player we’ve been missing since the days when Scholes retired: someone who sets the tempo, keeps the ball moving, and makes everyone else play better.

That’s why he has to be part of the long-term plan. Mainoo is exactly the kind of player you build around, not the kind you give up on.

In terms of the Modrić and Pirlo comparisons you may receive some push-back. I think this might be because his passing range and ability to progress the play (or in basic terms simply getting the ball forward) has been criticised as much as his lack of pace.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Maybe he should have posted that last week when he at least had some chance of getting a move.

Amorim isn't most stable of people right now, so who knows how he'll react.

 

[RuudTom83]

I would like to believe that the captain and senior player group could control childish social media posts like these!

But they failed to control Garnacho, so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightly if this Mainoo episode ends in the same way.

But he is giving the media plenty write about so congrats Kobbie! (i guess)

 

[Beachryan]

If memory serves, the insufferable Jamie Jackson did a hit piece on Uniteds handling of Mainoo right before the season started. Which tells me that Kobbies team wanted to stir it up before a single team sheet had been submitted.

This reeks to me of a kid having a decent few months, having the entire media blown smoke up his behind and thinking he had made it. Wanting a bigger contract, rumors of a big money move: all while he was out injured for half a season.

We know he's talented, we know he has already had some great moments and we know he could be a local legend. But we also know that our midfield needs legs and physicality, and a central midfielder for us needs to be making near 100 passes a game, including spreading play. And that our 10s are crucial to a high press.

So we know what he needs to get better at, but other than him bulking up, I've not seen with my eyes an obvious improvement in the weaknesses in his game since he first started making appearances.

He still looks incapable of closing speed for the press, his passing is not expansive and he can't play at a high intensity nor for anywhere near 90 minutes.

He can learn those things and develop, but it's not Manchester Uniteds job to give him a starting spot to do so. At present, he is not first choice not for some agenda reason but because he is not the best player for the position.

At 20 he should be entirely happy to stay at his boyhood club, train and play with some of the best players in the world and look to improve himself, at which point the rest will take care of itself.

 

[pocco]

One thing is for sure, we’re amazing at producing quite talented youth players and somehow enabling a huge entitlement complex in them. They love nothing more than trying to kick the club when it’s down to get what they want. And there’s fans who, on the one hand, excuse their behaviour, whilst also questioning why the culture and winning mentality has been missing in the club.

 

[AR87]

Ultimately, nobody has any fecking idea what's going on with Mainoo.

Comments of "Garnacho 2.0" "Self entitled" "Lazy" "Overrated" because he's seemingly desperate to play football.

Psychology and pop culture experts trying to decipher a social media post.

Again, we love knocking our young players down and spending our time trying to find reasons to dislike them. It's so weird.

He's literally done nothing out of the ordinary and nothing to warrant such a ridiculous overanalysis of his every move.

Agree 100%

 

[KingEric04]

Ultimately, nobody has any fecking idea what's going on with Mainoo.

Comments of "Garnacho 2.0" "Self entitled" "Lazy" "Overrated" because he's seemingly desperate to play football.

Psychology and pop culture experts trying to decipher a social media post.

Again, we love knocking our young players down and spending our time trying to find reasons to dislike them. It's so weird.

He's literally done nothing out of the ordinary and nothing to warrant such a ridiculous overanalysis of his every move.

It's hardly a Mainoo problem but a wider Man Utd youth problem. It all started with Rashford and Sancho, then Garnacho and now Kobe and possibly Chido Obi as well. It's like a toxic virus spreading honestly. They all demand playing time and have zero patience and some of them will even try to force a move out of Man Utd.

Garnacho was offloaded to Chelsea because of this kind of toxic "behavior" and entitlement that he had. Mainoo might be the next in line if he doesn't wisen up.

One thing is for sure, we’re amazing at producing quite talented youth players and somehow enabling a huge entitlement complex in them. They love nothing more than trying to kick the club when it’s down to get what they want. And there’s fans who, on the one hand, excuse their behaviour, whilst also questioning why the culture and winning mentality has been missing in the club.

If there was a good culture within the Man Utd dressing room, none of these things would happen. We allow everyone, especially our younger players to behave in this kind of entitled and toxic way. At least Amorim is trying to fix some of these issues and that's why he sold Garnacho to Chelsea.

If you want to be succesful as a team, it's very important to have a control of your dressing room. For far too long we have allowed too much player power within our dressing room and that needs to change asap.

 

[ThreeCorners]

If memory serves, the insufferable Jamie Jackson did a hit piece on Uniteds handling of Mainoo right before the season started. Which tells me that Kobbies team wanted to stir it up before a single team sheet had been submitted.

This reeks to me of a kid having a decent few months, having the entire media blown smoke up his behind and thinking he had made it. Wanting a bigger contract, rumors of a big money move: all while he was out injured for half a season.

We know he's talented, we know he has already had some great moments and we know he could be a local legend. But we also know that our midfield needs legs and physicality, and a central midfielder for us needs to be making near 100 passes a game, including spreading play. And that our 10s are crucial to a high press.

So we know what he needs to get better at, but other than him bulking up, I've not seen with my eyes an obvious improvement in the weaknesses in his game since he first started making appearances.

He still looks incapable of closing speed for the press, his passing is not expansive and he can't play at a high intensity nor for anywhere near 90 minutes.

He can learn those things and develop, but it's not Manchester Uniteds job to give him a starting spot to do so. At present, he is not first choice not for some agenda reason but because he is not the best player for the position.

At 20 he should be entirely happy to stay at his boyhood club, train and play with some of the best players in the world and look to improve himself, at which point the rest will take care of itself.

Totally agree with this. Because we have been so bad in the past couple of seasons, we have heralded any young players that show any kind of promise as the next big thing. Januzaj, Garnacho, Rashford. Then they think they've made it and lose the desire to improve. Really puts the class of 95 in perspective with regards to how Fergie managed to keep them motivated.

 

[Houdini]

Has the potential but does not fit the system.

 

[Rolaholic]

Ultimately, nobody has any fecking idea what's going on with Mainoo.

Comments of "Garnacho 2.0" "Self entitled" "Lazy" "Overrated" because he's seemingly desperate to play football.

Psychology and pop culture experts trying to decipher a social media post.

Again, we love knocking our young players down and spending our time trying to find reasons to dislike them. It's so weird.

He's literally done nothing out of the ordinary and nothing to warrant such a ridiculous overanalysis of his every move.

It's so predictable it's crazy

 

[AR87]

The actual IG post is 4 pics of him training and then one from Whiplash which people are furiously ascribing their specific interpretation to.

He's not going anywhere for now, should see plenty of time in the immediate future with injuries to Mount and Cunha, and is likely to play out the season with United. An IG post that has no clear cut message despite people deciding it does, is not a crisis.

We can just stick to evaluating how he progresses on the pitch.

 

[Dubai]

I've got some sympathy with his frustration. It's unfair to compare with how SAF kept his squad in line. We were serial winners, consistently performing, and competing for multiple trophies. If you're a younger player in that squad, you obviously want to play but are bound to be more patient/understanding if it takes time.

Kobbie had an incredible start to his career, and thus far comes across as a well grounded, hard working lad who loves United.

The club is performing at a historic low, and so as much as he needs to look at his own performances and development first...he probably also thinks that if Amorim gave him a run of 4-5 starts he could get back to his best. Another point that gets missed is if he's substituted on in an Amorim team...Maguire might be up front, Mount is LWB, and he's expected to impact a midfield with a frustrated, wandering Bruno as his partner.

Looking at league minutes this season of players he's competing for a place with (e.g. CM or 10): Bruno: 270, Mbuemo 270, Cunha 211, Casemiro 190, Mount 179, Ugarte 46, Mainoo 45.
It's a small sample size, and injuries play a part but in his last 30 games he's only had 2 back to back 90 minutes in the league.

I hope he keeps his head down and grafts, but after that I would like to see him given a few starts in CM even if, god forbid, Bruno gets rested or shifted to one of the 10's.

 

[mustaine]

That is a good summary of not just Mainoo but our midfield issues.
If we look at Odegaard at arsenal. He doesn't seem to have a lot of pace. But he is always on the move finding small pockets of space and then passing one touch.
I don't see any obvious reason why Mainoo shouldn't be able to play a similar role.

Agreed, with the right system/partners his shortcomings shouldn’t be as obvious and would allow him to find a role that fits his talents.

Our midfield is painfully slow and the only way to possibly mask that problem is to beef it up and put more bodies there.

 

[SubutaiScipio]

I honestly think people are missing the bigger picture with Mainoo. Of course he isn’t perfect right now – he’s 20 years old – but the qualities he already shows are the exact same ones that made players like Modrić and Pirlo world-class once they matured. Neither of those two were explosive athletes. Neither tore around the pitch with raw pace. What made them great was intelligence, composure, vision, and the ability to control the rhythm of a game.

Watch Mainoo closely and you can see the same type of traits developing. He doesn’t panic under pressure, he constantly offers himself for the ball, and he has that natural calmness in possession that you simply cannot teach. That’s why Tuchel trusts him for England already – managers recognise when a young midfielder has the temperament to grow into a top-class conductor.

The idea that he can’t succeed because he isn’t quick enough is lazy. Modrić isn’t quick. Pirlo wasn’t quick. Carrick wasn’t quick. What matters is reading the game and being in the right place at the right time, which Mainoo already does well. And with the right players around him – an energetic ball-winner and a creative partner – he can thrive in the same way those greats did.

The truth is, United finally have a midfielder who looks like he can be the heartbeat of the team for the next decade. He doesn’t need to replicate Bruno, or play like Casemiro – he needs to be Kobbie Mainoo, and that’s enough. If we nurture him properly and build around him, he can be the player we’ve been missing since the days when Scholes retired: someone who sets the tempo, keeps the ball moving, and makes everyone else play better.

That’s why he has to be part of the long-term plan. Mainoo is exactly the kind of player you build around, not the kind you give up on.

When did Tuchel trust him for England?

 

[Zed 101]

For me Mainoo is a 10, I understand he doesn't fit Amorim's system but I also struggle to see which prem team he would fit in as a 6 or 8, I think he could play a deeper role in Spain or Italy I just don't seem him as a deep lying midfielder in the prem

 

[Tony247]

Currently not good enough for United. Send him on a loan, let him prove he is too good to play for a championship club and then promote him to premier league.

 

[Maticmaker]

With rumours surrounding him about agents/salary increases/possible transfers, etc. it sounds like Mainoo is perhaps beginning to listen to the wrong people... if he wants to stay at United, then he needs to listen only to those that can help him do that, and at the moment the main person is his manager.

The fact that Amorin is openly saying he wants Kobbie to challenge Bruno for his position, is perhaps the key. Mainoo should take that as the highest praise/indication his manager can give as to his future at the club.

 

[Lash]

The analysis of this post is bizarre, as the film a piece of art, which means the interpretation is completely subjective as to what he's even trying to mean.

I'm sure Kobbie is trying to express himself like a lot of young people do, via social media. Feck knows what it means though, so who really cares?

He has an opportunity to make the starting XI in the next game, he needs to focus on that. The rest is just noise.

 

[msjmohd83]

Paul Scholes was a first teamer because he produced on a week in week out basis for over a decade not because he was a United product. Same can be said about Giggs. Phil Neville would have killed people for Manchester United but the brothers were kept on a ridiculous salary for a long long time (I have mates of both some who were even invited to Gaz marriage). Not only that but SAF sold Phil the moment he didn't need him. Wes played for a silly wage for almost his entire career at United (50k a week) and he went bankrupt few years after retirement. None of them would dare crossing the line because they knew exactly that the club wouldn't accept it

We are ruining kids because we're giving them the impression that they made it after just few games. Instead of the next golden generation (Pogba, Greenwood, Rashford, Lingard, Mainoo and Greenwood) we ended up with a bunch of spoiled brats who would cause all sort of embarrassment to the clubs

And no I am not comparing what Greenwood did with the rest. Its on an entire level to the rest and he should never return to OT. All I am saying is that an entire generation of players was lost simply because we couldn't keep players in line.

We were lucky class of 92 had leaders/men in Bruce,Pallister,Robson,Mclair,Keane,Schmeichel and Cantona who would keep these guys in line.

 

[alexthelion]

That’s on Amorim, not Mainoo.

Has Mainoo actually shown enough to displace either of them? Imo, no, he hasn't.

 

[Irwin99]

I'd like to see him get a chance (and actually take it this time) in the Manchester derby. Push Bruno to the 10 role and put Kobbie alongside Casemiro.

 

[Someone]

At what good club does he think he starts? Anyone in top 6? top 10?

To be fair to him he did not ask to move to another big club. He wanted a loan to get regular football which would've been probably to a club like West Ham or Everton.

 

[Someone]

One thing I did that helped gain more perspective of how Mainoo and other young players think, is to try to remember how I was at that age. I'm 43 now and if I remember correctly, at that age I was a moron. And I was a really well behaved guy. We need to cut those young players some slack. They're surrounded by agents and family members telling them that they're great and should be demanding more. Point is, we shouldn't rush to sell any young player with a tantrum.

 

[Red in STL]

To be fair to him he did not ask to move to another big club. He wanted a loan to get regular football which would've been probably to a club like West Ham or Everton.

Indeed, circumstances were against him though, Collyer had already been loaned out, we didn't get another midfield player in and then the Cunha/Mount injuries happened

At the end of they day it's up to him, he's not going to start very often but when he does get game time he has to show why he should be in the team, so far this season, albeit a limited number of games, he hasn't done so

 

[Rolaholic]