Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Skills said:
Don't have off-seasons then.
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Ahh, of course. I hadn't thought about that. Have you considered going into management or football club ownership because your ideas could revolutionise the game.

United, Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool all expect and want to be top 4 every year. Thats ignoring the fact that we have some of the "smaller" sides having good seasons and pushing for that position as well. So at least 2 of those clubs would lose all of their best players every few years due to your crazy ideas.
 
Skills said:
I think contracts should be performance based.

50% pay cut the seasons we don't make the CL BUT in return he gets a £40m release clause in any season we don't make the Champions League. This keeps both the player and club accountable

That way it means both parties are performance incentived
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:lol:

What is more likely?

all clubs didn’t think of this, it’s a great idea, and you’re the first one to come up with it

or

It’s an insane idea that only a layman who is not actually in football would suggest
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Should we follow Chelsea's lead and give Mainoo an 8 year contract on 130k a week so that he's in a weaker bargaining position for when he next renegotiates his contract?
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For a player like Mainoo an 8 year contract is likely to be a much better deal for United than for him, so take whatever sum needed to agree a standard five year deal, add a premium on top of that, and you'll have what's needed for a longer contract.
 
Skills said:
I think contracts should be performance based.

50% pay cut the seasons we don't make the CL BUT in return he gets a £40m release clause in any season we don't make the Champions League. This keeps both the player and club accountable

That way it means both parties are performance incentived
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So you fail to get CL football. No worries, your wage bill is going to halves so you'll be saving loads of money.

But now your best players want to leave because they're getting half what they were getting. And the fee you can recoup is limited by the lower release clause.

And the players that have performed the worst will probably still struggle to attract interest. So you'll be stuck with the mediocre players, have a need to replace all the most promising players that have jumped ship but not the full transfer amount we should have gotten. And you need to find good players that are good value and willing to accept a salary that gets cut in half of they fail to reach the CL.

all sounds like a winning formula right there.
 
The practice of paying young players massive wages needs to end. Just look at what happened with Januzaj and Rashford. While I'd love for us to keep Mainoo, he's had just one standout half-season, and now he's reportedly demanding £200k per week? I sincerely hope the club doesn't cave to his demands. I've always admired how clubs like Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich l manage to retain their top talents while maintaining reasonable wage structures. This trend of inflated salaries is getting out of hand and it needs to stop.
 
There are plenty of players who will be leaving with their contracts running out, and we will sell a bunch as well. No way are we selling the few players who are talented enough and at a good age. We already need too many positions to fill, before having to find replacements for the few good players we have.
 
Nole said:
The practice of paying young players massive wages needs to end. Just look at what happened with Januzaj and Rashford. While I'd love for us to keep Mainoo, he's had just one standout half-season, and now he's reportedly demanding £200k per week? I sincerely hope the club doesn't cave to his demands. I've always admired how clubs like Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich l manage to retain their top talents while maintaining reasonable wage structures. This trend of inflated salaries is getting out of hand and it needs to stop.
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I don’t believe the £200k story is true. So I wouldn’t be looking at him sideways for it. But I agree if the demand are too much we sell. He’s doing nothing in the game to even bat an eyelid. We never learn are lesson meanwhile we are 11 years on with no Prem title and a bunch of “talented” youngsters being produced who need to be kept at all cost.
 
gulli_G said:
Firstly, I said reluctantly, of course I want him to stay. But if at his age he is already demanding 200k, no way should we pay that, in 2 or 3 years he will be asking Rashford money.We need to have away from our previous wage structure.

Personally I suspect that 200k seems like a team Mainoo brief and he will probably settle at around 100k.
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Rumours, where is there any evidence he has demanded 200k per week?

Totally agree we shouldnt be held to ransom over wages and change is needed. We have handed our crazy wages to sign players given ridiculous contracts countless times to players that have been poor until nearing end of contracts....Rashford the prime example, rubbish for a fair while then four magical months....madness

Mainoo has only played a season, second season syndrome oould happen as he hasnt been great so far this year....But this is an obviously talented player who seems to have a good attitude....even if he is demanding £200k...we have the option to add a year for his contract to 2028...thats three years,why on earth would we sell him now?

Also by the way my initial post wasnt directed at you...it was a general statement
 
He’ll want what we give to Amad at the least. Be interesting to see how much that is.
 
I'm not sure why him asking for 200k, assuming that it's even true, is a major issue. This is a negotiation, so unless it's some hard like demand starting high, especially given our existing stupid wage structure which INEOS seem focused on getting in line, makes sense.

The reporting is also that we're not looking to sell him, with other reports stating he's happy at United and the club are happy with him.
 
80-90 k with performance bonuses and payment review half through the contract would be reasonable.
 
jesperjaap said:
Rumours, where is there any evidence he has demanded 200k per week?

Totally agree we shouldnt be held to ransom over wages and change is needed. We have handed our crazy wages to sign players given ridiculous contracts countless times to players that have been poor until nearing end of contracts....Rashford the prime example, rubbish for a fair while then four magical months....madness

Mainoo has only played a season, second season syndrome oould happen as he hasnt been great so far this year....But this is an obviously talented player who seems to have a good attitude....even if he is demanding £200k...we have the option to add a year for his contract to 2028...thats three years,why on earth would we sell him now?

Also by the way my initial post wasnt directed at you...it was a general statement
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Just a report by Wheeler if I remember correctly. I think Mainoo's camp wants a new contract and rightly so if he is at 20k.

I think Adam has a good analysis of the back and forth briefs by both camps:

 
Contract negotiation tediousness is so much fun and definitely not tedious in any way, in spite of how tedious it is
 
I love Maino, and he has huge potentials, but he hasn't earned a huge contract yet. He's still inconsistent, and has never had a full good season before. Which is understandable considering his age.

I'm sure we'd be more than happy to offer him great wages if he ends up being a consistent top player, but for now, he needs to earnt it first.
 
bgoodall said:
He’ll want what we give to Amad at the least. Be interesting to see how much that is.
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However Amad is starting to step up a level. Different position granted, but with his goals and assists. Amad has a chance, if he continues to develop of fulfilling the potential that the scouts saw all those years ago.

Not sure Mainoo has done anywhere near enough to be a starter for amorim long term, unlike Amad.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:


I dont know how much of this is true but if it is, we cant make the same mistakes we made with Martial, Rashford and Sancho. Young players cant demand mid to end-game level salaries, something that we want to move away from. We should sell and save the club from potential points deduction/PSR handicaps. Again, if there’s any truth to this.
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I agree with this. It comes from shit sources so I wouldn’t believe it but no matter what we shouldn’t give young players high wages like that anymore. We have seen lot of these young players career are ruined after they’re getting big wages. Never mind young players, even the senior players aren’t performing once they get the big contract. We have made mistakes in the past giving high wages on players, this time we shouldn’t be keep making the same mistakes. If Mainoo really loves man united, he shouldn’t mind to stay at United with less wages than 200k.
 
Borussia Teeth said:
I wouldn't give him 200k, but I don't blame him or his agent for trying to get that when you look at salaries for the likes of Mount, Antony, Rashford, Casemiro etc.

£120-150k would be reasonable relative to our wage structure. It's still too much for a lad his age but we have a long way to go in terms fixing the wage bill
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Absolutely would not be reasonable.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
Yep.

Imagine a Manchester United in 2025, player asking for a payrise after finishing 8th and being 14th on the table. Incredible.

I think our fans are daft and these players know that.


Scholes did put Ineos to the task, on why they increase ticket prices yet the football on the pitch is going worse and worse.
Now same analogy, imagine a player asking for payrise yet the football on the pitch is getting worse and worse.

Imagine paying Van Djik salary on a player who has achieved 8th place (not on Mainoo alone but any United player)
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Yeah but players don't really think that way; generally they look at what their teammates are earning and if they think they're just as good then they want the same salary.
 
Not linked to Kobbie directly but I like the club's stance if it is really true that Kobbie's camp asked for around 200k per week for renewing and the club replied everybody is available for the right price. No more overinflated base contracts players don't deserve, you can include bonuses for league finish, CL, top 4, league win placements etc. But link it to team performance and bonuses. This way they will know why they will their bust their gut out for each other on the field. Also similar to Barca and Real we need to come to a point where players will want run down their contracts to play for United because it is a historical successful club and not because it pays the most. If you are here for the biggest paycheck then thanks but no thanks go play for City and Chelsea. It sends the message no player is bigger than the club as it should be.
 
Selling Mainoo will be the stupidest thing we have done in many years in terms of transfers. He is the greatest talent we have produced even since Scholes, Giggs and Beckham. We should do everything to keep him.

And "yes", I know about our financial situation. But selling our future best players is not a solution and should not be a topic at all.

Players like Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho should be players that can be developed to be our future. Otherwise we will end up like the clubs that produce great talents to sell them on to bigger clubs quickly. Like, for example, West Ham.
 
Hester_manc said:
Selling Mainoo will be the stupidest thing we have done in many years in terms of transfers. He is the greatest talent we have produced even since Scholes, Giggs and Beckham. We should do everything to keep him.

And "yes", I know about our financial situation. But selling our future best players is not a solution and should not be a topic at all.

Players like Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho should be players that can be developed to be our future. Otherwise we will end up like the clubs that produce great talents to sell them on to bigger clubs quickly. Like, for example, West Ham.
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No one is selling any of these players. Either it is the agent putting pressure on United or just some shitty journalism
 
Someone said:
I love Maino, and he has huge potentials, but he hasn't earned a huge contract yet. He's still inconsistent, and has never had a full good season before. Which is understandable considering his age.

I'm sure we'd be more than happy to offer him great wages if he ends up being a consistent top player, but for now, he needs to earnt it first.
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To be fair he's due to injury at the start of last season he's hasn't had a full season yet.
 
bgoodall said:
He’ll want what we give to Amad at the least. Be interesting to see how much that is.
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Why? Amad is older and consistently performs at a higher level. I sincerely hope there is some element of bonuses regarding games played, assists, goals etc - base wages are ridiculously high.
 
stevoc said:
To be fair he's due to injury at the start of last season he's hasn't had a full season yet.
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No, and that was a shame, but you should still be wary if he can consistently play at that level. 100k pr week is far too much - at least have add-ons that can take him higher if needs be, but keep the base lower.
 
Hester_manc said:
Selling Mainoo will be the stupidest thing we have done in many years in terms of transfers. He is the greatest talent we have produced even since Scholes, Giggs and Beckham. We should do everything to keep him.

And "yes", I know about our financial situation. But selling our future best players is not a solution and should not be a topic at all.

Players like Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho should be players that can be developed to be our future. Otherwise we will end up like the clubs that produce great talents to sell them on to bigger clubs quickly. Like, for example, West Ham.
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It would be stupid, but it would also be stupid of Mainoo and his camp if they have even discussed 200k pr week; the club shouldn't even bother negotiating at such a price. The contract is still far into the future, so here the club are holding all the cards. Bump his salary to a higher level, include add-ons and bonuses, and then keep him, but nobody should hold the club for ransom.

I agree that Amad, Yoro, Mainoo and preferably Garnacho should be players we can build on into the future, but I also hope the club don't lose their heads.
 
Rossa said:
No, and that was a shame, but you should still be wary if he can consistently play at that level. 100k pr week is far too much - at least have add-ons that can take him higher if needs be, but keep the base lower.
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A club can decide there is an upper limit they're willing to offer any promising young player. And you can set it low with the idea it'll motivate them but if you set it too low you then have to be prepared to lose the player to another club willing to pay more than you are. And for a player like Mainoo there will be suitors.
 
stevoc said:
A club can decide there is an upper limit they're willing to offer any promising young player. And you can set it low with the idea it'll motivate them but if you set it too low you then have to be prepared to lose the player to another club willing to pay more than you are. And for a player like Mainoo there will be suitors.
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There will definitely be suitors. He's a great player and a massive talent. However, that shouldn't make the club lose focus. He still has many years left on his contract for a fairly low wage (in the footballing world), so he would lose a fair deal of money by not signing a contract, and United shouldn't entertain low bids for him either.
 
stevoc said:
A club can decide there is an upper limit they're willing to offer any promising young player. And you can set it low with the idea it'll motivate them but if you set it too low you then have to be prepared to lose the player to another club willing to pay more than you are. And for a player like Mainoo there will be suitors.
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That's fine if there are other suitors. We're not at the top of the food chain anymore. We need to worry about our own clubs wellbeing first and foremost and set caps and keep the wage structure in check, no exceptions. We can't go forward using Uniteds current average wage to set future contracts. £200k for Mainoo may sound reasonable when compared to Antony, Rashford, Casemiro, Mount. But they're all on x2 what they would be at any other club (excluding Saudi)

We can't get this club back on track whilst continuing to operate in the same way that derailed us in the first place. There has to be compromise. If it means losing a good young player here or there then do be it. All the hysterical nonsense about us becoming West Ham or the club will be finished is best ignored
 
Hester_manc said:
Selling Mainoo will be the stupidest thing we have done in many years in terms of transfers. He is the greatest talent we have produced even since Scholes, Giggs and Beckham. We should do everything to keep him.

And "yes", I know about our financial situation. But selling our future best players is not a solution and should not be a topic at all.

Players like Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho should be players that can be developed to be our future. Otherwise we will end up like the clubs that produce great talents to sell them on to bigger clubs quickly. Like, for example, West Ham.
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Would you pay him £200K?
 
Rossa said:
There will definitely be suitors. He's a great player and a massive talent. However, that shouldn't make the club lose focus. He still has many years left on his contract for a fairly low wage (in the footballing world), so he would lose a fair deal of money by not signing a contract, and United shouldn't entertain low bids for him either.
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Yeah there's no rush but you can understand why both parties would like a new contract sorted sooner rather than later.
 
Hester_manc said:
Selling Mainoo will be the stupidest thing we have done in many years in terms of transfers. He is the greatest talent we have produced even since Scholes, Giggs and Beckham. We should do everything to keep him.

And "yes", I know about our financial situation. But selling our future best players is not a solution and should not be a topic at all.

Players like Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho should be players that can be developed to be our future. Otherwise we will end up like the clubs that produce great talents to sell them on to bigger clubs quickly. Like, for example, West Ham.
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Agree partially. But we need to define where is the line for do everything to keep and do more than that? After break out season give him 200k per week? How do you know it was not a freak season? One season wonder? Giving Rashford godly contract, giving De Gea godly contract didn't work out.
Rossa said:
It would be stupid, but it would also be stupid of Mainoo and his camp if they have even discussed 200k pr week; the club shouldn't even bother negotiating at such a price. The contract is still far into the future, so here the club are holding all the cards. Bump his salary to a higher level, include add-ons and bonuses, and then keep him, but nobody should hold the club for ransom.

I agree that Amad, Yoro, Mainoo and preferably Garnacho should be players we can build on into the future, but I also hope the club don't lose their heads.
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Agreed. But not for an price. No player should hold club for ransom. Remember Ronaldo and Madrid? They indulged him for as long as it was worth it. As soon as it was not worth it anymore they said thanks but no thanks. To one of the best players on the planet ever.
 
sourdough satellite said:
Yeah but players don't really think that way; generally they look at what their teammates are earning and if they think they're just as good then they want the same salary.
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What should the management look at? The management are the custodians of United finances. We need better management of our finances.
 
Hester_manc said:
Selling Mainoo will be the stupidest thing we have done in many years in terms of transfers. He is the greatest talent we have produced even since Scholes, Giggs and Beckham. We should do everything to keep him.

And "yes", I know about our financial situation. But selling our future best players is not a solution and should not be a topic at all.

Players like Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho should be players that can be developed to be our future. Otherwise we will end up like the clubs that produce great talents to sell them on to bigger clubs quickly. Like, for example, West Ham.
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If we sell him just to generate money then it'd be a huge mistake. If we sell him because he won't agree a new contract then it's fine by me.
 
Rossa said:
Why? Amad is older and consistently performs at a higher level. I sincerely hope there is some element of bonuses regarding games played, assists, goals etc - base wages are ridiculously high.
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Apart from the fact Mainoo outperformed him last season. You are basing that statement on the last three months, which is exactly what people are asking us to avoid when giving out contracts.

The 200k story is such a red herring. Even if you’re going to believe the Daily Mail (I feel sorry for those that do), it’ll be £200k with bonuses and Champions League reduction. So instantly you’re looking at far closer to £100-100k. If you look at the list of players on that wage in the Premier League, he’d be one of the youngest but I certainly wouldn’t swap him.
 
Money in football is so shit hese days compared to American sports. People here getting outraged that Mainoo may have requested £200k a week, which is just below $13m per year, meanwhile there's no decent NBA players you could get for even double that.

I know it's a roster of 15-17 v a squad of 23-25 players, on the other hand way more people are going to watch football than NBA globally, matchday revenue should be much higher with stadiums 4-5x larger than NBA arenas etc.
 
Sarni said:
Money in football is so shit hese days compared to American sports. People here getting outraged that Mainoo may have requested £200k a week, which is just below $13m per year, meanwhile there's no decent NBA players you could get for even double that.

I know it's a roster of 15-17 v a squad of 23-25 players, on the other hand way more people are going to watch football than NBA globally, matchday revenue should be much higher with stadiums 4-5x larger than NBA arenas etc.
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First time I think I've ever seen someone say the money in football is shit.
 
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