Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Why even mention the possibility of Amorim getting sacked? If we recruit properly, he won't be going anywhere.
Because modern Footbsll is predictable, poor results and most clubs don’t give the coach much time!

SJR is already visiting the training ground and interfering in football matters Far too much already, his track record in football suggests he gives no manager time!
 
And in 3 years when he’s bossing a top teams midfield and worth £100m+
Then what?

He’s unique and you would have considered those words blasphemy last year.
There is nothing suggest that will happen. Him being unique doesn't mean good.
 
38 games and counting missed through injury since the start of last season. Concerning.
 
And in 3 years when he’s bossing a top teams midfield and worth £100m+
Then what?

He’s unique and you would have considered those words blasphemy last year.
I don't give a feck what he may or may not do for a top team's midfield in three years time. I care about whether or not he's going to fit into the long-term vision of Ruben Amorim's Manchester United. That is what we have to build towards now.

Using your logic, I could just as easily say that you're daft for criticising Amorim because last season everyone would've said he was one of Europe's best young managers.
 
38 games and counting missed through injury since the start of last season. Concerning.
This is one of the reasons why I really don't think we'd miss him, if we sold him. He desperately lacks the athleticism for the PL, which is his biggest downfall.

You cannot rely on a player like that.
 
There is nothing suggest that will happen. Him being unique doesn't mean good.

There are very few midfielders who break into first team of top 6 clubs in the way he did last season. And even rarer that they represent England at Euros.
 
There are very few midfielders who break into first team of top 6 clubs in the way he did last season. And even rarer that they represent England at Euros.
That's only true if there is competition.
 
I don't give a feck what he may or may not do for a top team's midfield in three years time. I care about whether or not he's going to fit into the long-term vision of Ruben Amorim's Manchester United. That is what we have to build towards now.

Using your logic, I could just as easily say that you're daft for criticising Amorim because last season everyone would've said he was one of Europe's best young managers.
For the last time I championed Ruben Amorim when we recruited him and rate him very highly however when a coach has a record of 6 wins and 9 defeats in his first 20 PL games should we as fans just say it’s fine and should he be beyond criticism, what’s he done in the EPL that makes him beyond reproach, even by his own admission he admits to making many mistakes as he learns about the club and the league?

This is how we improve as human beings, we self critique or accept genuine criticism from others to learn and adapt on how to improve.

As for selling Kobbie, I don’t agree with this because we have so many other players like ; Rashford, Antony, Casemiro, Garnaucho, Hojlund and Zirkzee that can all be sold before him and raise the necessary cash needed for the team to improve, we have very little homegrown talent in the squad, even less English talent, something I genuinely feel very strong about.

The recent bore draw against city had 3 starting players from 22 who are English and represented their country, there was maybe another 7 from both teams in a combined 18 man bench with two of those players being 17 year old Goodwill And 18 year old Harry Amass.

Look at the Arsenal or Newcastle teams, they both try and get the best of English/British talent added to very good worldwide talent. Jason Wilcox clearly understands this which is why finally we are looking to recruit good British talent and PL proven players this summer.

For the record he’s more than capable of fitting into a RA system in at least two positions he’s having a typical second season that most teenage players do after their breakout season as they adapt physically and mentally to elite football.
 
He misses a lot of games, which I worry about.
He is young to be fair, it might be just as detrimental to run him into the ground from 18. I think we'll see next season (if he's still here), what he's made of. I still don't see his position in Amorim's system at the moment, but maybe injuries have been holding him back.
 
TAA is a fullback, was horrible at midfield. Gallagher was terrible for England. Wharton at the time wasn't ready, was never going to be played.

All 3 of them are established players capable of playing for top 6 sides. All are more experienced than him. He kept them out. He was good when TAA, Gallagher and many players struggled - doesn't that point to his quality ? A lot of English players were criticized for lack of performance but don't think many were critical of him. So we have a player who played in a Euro final and didn't look out of place.
 
All 3 of them are established players capable of playing for top 6 sides. All are more experienced than him. He kept them out. He was good when TAA, Gallagher and many players struggled - doesn't that point to his quality ? A lot of English players were criticized for lack of performance but don't think many were critical of him. So we have a player who played in a Euro final and didn't look out of place.
More importantly dominated a Euros international Semi final in that first half he was simply fantastic against the Dutch, he was fantastic last season in games against Good Liverpool and City Teams and yet fans still doubt his potential, we don’t need to sell Kobbie and we should only do so if someone gives us a ridiculous fee of over £100m, his ceiling is higher than Caciedo has he has much better close control and touch and will score more goals.
 
How many good games he had as a 10?
One maybe. Against Plzen. Laughable that people think he can play as a 10 in this system. Every position in this system is much more physically demanding than usual and Mainoo has not shown many signs of being up to the task physically. Amad is a great exanple of the kind of 10 needed for a 3-4-3. Players that can cope with the physicality and not wilt after 60 minutes but also still have the skill.
 
All 3 of them are established players capable of playing for top 6 sides. All are more experienced than him. He kept them out. He was good when TAA, Gallagher and many players struggled - doesn't that point to his quality ? A lot of English players were criticized for lack of performance but don't think many were critical of him. So we have a player who played in a Euro final and didn't look out of place.
No it shows good timing to not be bad.

We had 34% possession and were completely outplayed in midfield. I'm not sure what out of place would look like then.
 
No it shows good timing to not be bad.

We had 34% possession and were completely outplayed in midfield. I'm not sure what out of place would look like then.

“Good timing not to be bad”? Not sure what that means

I think you have made up your mind that KM is not great. KM came out with the Euro with a lot of credit and I don’t think anyone thought he was the weakness in the set up. You can make your own judgement but don’t think many will agree with you that KM was the weak link in that team
 
To be fair, when a player is injured it is actually law that this happens.
Luke Shaw becomes the best LB in the league every time he's injured. He's only a couple injuries away from being inducted into the PL hall of fame
 
I see there’s some rewriting of history going on in here.
Let them. Factually speaking, he's one of the best prospects in world football based on what we've seen on the pitch. What's even more baffling is how anyone that is a fan/supporter of this club doesn't understand the process of bringing along an academy prospect, and the importance of the atmosphere the prospect is being brought in to.
 
“Good timing not to be bad”? Not sure what that means

I think you have made up your mind that KM is not great. KM came out with the Euro with a lot of credit and I don’t think anyone thought he was the weakness in the set up. You can make your own judgement but don’t think many will agree with you that KM was the weak link in that team
He personally wasn't, but our midfield was not good, it was a part of our problem.
 
Please share.
No thank you. He's widely considered one of the best prospects in the world, but the nice thing about a general consensus in the footballing world is there's never a shortage of information as to why this consensus was reached.
 
We've been learning about Vo2 max as part of the course I am doing, I can't remember Beckham's exact reading when it was measured but it was up there with those mentalist Norwegian Cross-Country skiers, who have some of the highest readings in the world. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the stories were true.
Didn't think that'd be anywhere near accurate, so had a quick look around the net. One link below, but multiple sites have him around 67

https://www.nkfitness.co.uk/vo2-elite-athletes/

High versus your average footballer yes, a million miles off other world class athletes.
 
He, and whichever midfielder/s we may sign in the coming two or three years will ultimately be competing for who will partner Sekou Koné is my prediction. Within two years, I’m calling that it will be Koné +1. If Amorim is still here, I don’t fancy Mainoo’s chances of being the guy because I think he needs a midfield 3. As of today, my thinking is Koné + Wharton would be a great future pairing.
 
I think the player he's most similar to is Pogba, not so much in terms of style or personality, but in terms of being a CM that needs to be part of a 3 man midfield, needs the liberty to play with freedom, has loads of technique and potential, but needs the team built around him and isn't quite good enough to justify that.

And therefore, kinda lost.
 
He, and whichever midfielder/s we may sign in the coming two or three years will ultimately be competing for who will partner Sekou Koné is my prediction. Within two years, I’m calling that it will be Koné +1. If Amorim is still here, I don’t fancy Mainoo’s chances of being the guy because I think he needs a midfield 3. As of today, my thinking is Koné + Wharton would be a great future pairing.

Has Wharton got good again? I liked him at first but anything I've seen recently I thought he looked a bit rubbish.

Would prefer Rigg over Wharton.
 
Has Wharton got good again? I liked him at first but anything I've seen recently I thought he looked a bit rubbish.

Would prefer Rigg over Wharton.

Wharton has been injured for quite a while so is just coming back into the team. He looked just as good last time I saw, and he does have the profile you would want. Over 6ft, will get stronger, seems to have some character/leadership too and always plays forward.