It's just so stupid and passive-aggressive.
Kobbie Mainoo
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It's because they're kids and run their own accounts. Have you ever seen the early days of twitter with footballers, it was so good. Huth and Rooney had some blinders.
Huth was an absolute menace
Rooney had the best twitter account of any athlete in the world at one point
, effortlessly hilarious.Back when famous people actually ran their own accounts and posted regularly before the age of 'social media teams' and everyone and their mother trying to be a living 'brand'
Mainoo is also more suited to playing higher up the pitch, the things he's good at lend themselves much more to that rather than a deep lying midfielder, and his biggest weaknesses are in the areas a deep lying midfielder needs to be good at. Unfortunately for him, both Mount and Bruno are much better players higher up the pitch.
Was so good, always good to look back on.Rooney had the best twitter account of any athlete in the world at one point
Back when famous people actually ran their own accounts and posted regularly before the age of 'social media teams' and everyone and their mother trying to be a living 'brand'
Cock or no cock was early twitter lore
He's a fecking child. So disrespectful
Shades of Rashford, The lover of the English media who compared to Rashy achieved absolutely nothing though. I can imagine him being handful for midfield 3 but it's the compensation he would bring to the table. Casemiro already on the last legs, Mainoo too. We would not move forward as a club at all if we play this anti-athletic midfield. If he was world class in anything he might have a chance but his occasional silky touch will not give him edge in todays football when you need to cover the ground quickly and make the ball move and as we have seen his mid to long passing and vision is definitely subpar for a top club.
And this is where we are talking about his ability. Mentality seems definitely not made for Manchester Untied either after downing tools and this social media BS. We really have to learn how to sell players in time.
And this is where we are talking about his ability. Mentality seems definitely not made for Manchester Untied either after downing tools and this social media BS. We really have to learn how to sell players in time.
I'm talking Mainoo's defensive game in comparison to Mount and Bruno. @bosnian_red made a similar point, Mount and Bruno have higher work rates and can press high but that doesn't necessarily relate to forming a more stable midfield.
Put the Mount and Bruno together in midfield and I think at the very least one of them needs to sacrifice their game meaning you won't get the best out of them individually.
The ETH set up was crazy but the idea we can play a midfield trio of Casemiro, Bruno and Mount is too risky imo.
I dont, but Whitwell does. Which is why I referenced the video.
Perhaps Amorim has had good reason not to play him more often? He will have seen his professionalism and attitude in training every week.
Did you argue the same for Amad during ETH's time?
Mainoo doesn't have any sort or record or pedigree of controlling a midfield. He needs someone to cover the spaces in behind him or dictate the play. I think with the midfield options we have, someone always has to sacrifice something or we leave our selves vulnerable to counters. None of us really know what the best version of our midfield options is, because the truth is, they all have problems. This once again comes back to bad squad construction - if Mainoo was deemed the future of our midfield, we've done nothing to give him the best chance of becoming that with our midfield options.
Perhaps he is but I would argue it's to a lesser extent than Bruno and Mount who are more firmly 'attacking players' - also more set in how they play. I think with Mainoo he's young enough that in a couple of years time we may look at his profile in a different way to today, whereas I think we have a better idea about what Mount and Bruno are.
Using the England point at the Euros, Mainoo was never seen as the Bellingham or Foden alternative but as the Henderson, Wharton and TAA. I don't see either making the WC squad but I would guess if Tuchel did have Mainoo he wouldn't categorise him in the same bracket as Bellingham, Rogers and Foden but he would see Mount within that group.
Amad played plenty in ETH’s last season until he got injured.
Yeah really and truly this is the crux of the problem - everything is trying to get a set up with the fewest cracks exposed.
433 with Casemiro as destroyer, Bruno as playmaker, Mainoo as dribbling ball progresser, no? At least until we can reconfigure in the summer.
All muck in defensively as needed.
All muck in defensively as needed.
I don't recall any lack of professionalism from him?
To be fair I would assume Mainoo is mainly down to him playing the same role as Bruno in Amorim's system. Then whether his limited minutes off the bench has been down to how he has performed in training I can only guess.
Do you recall any from Mainoo?
Mainoo being young isn't really relevant to the player he is. His skillset is really poor for a deeper midfield role - he's a low volume passer, on the few occasions he does pass it's sideways or backwards, very rarely progressive. He doesn't get involved enough, takes relatively few touches, loses the ball far too often, is positionally poor, and isn't great for defensive actions.
The two things he's good at are carrying the ball and shooting, which are much more suited to playing further forward, while his biggest weaknesses are some of the most important attributes for a deeper midfielder.
Yes. Liking a social media post making fun of your manager who has just been sacked is unprofessional.
So not his manager?
Not your first time defending this sort of behaviour is it?
What history records is that Mainoo excelled under EtH and then England in the spring and summer of 2024. Then the wheels fell off during the disastrous final few months of the bald Dutchman’s tenure. The causal factors are many, but there is no escaping the truth that Mainoo went down with that ship like everyone else.
If your point is skepticism, that’s fair. Mainoo has a lot to prove. Maybe he caught everyone by surprise and is destined to be another Januzaj, toiling in obscurity for some random club. But there is every reason for optimism as well.
We would be mad to sell him, unless he really does disgrace himself as so many here on the caf seem to expect..
As for his siblings, they all need to sit down and let Kobbie’s feet do the talking.
Bullshit, made up lies. Every report out of the club, every journalist, reporter, coach has had nothing but positives to say about him.
Feel free to think he isn't good enough as a talent and argue that. Plenty to discuss and debate there. But feck off out of the thread if you're going to spout made up lies to attack his character. Toxic as feck behavior.
Eloquently put. Good stuff.
Lies? He is literally being toxic with his snide little passive agressive like on Instagram. The whole thing with his brother too, his silence on that as good as advocates for whet he did.
Cretins the pair of them and if you don't like it then block me. Who do you think you are telling me what to do you're not a mod so wind your neck in pal.
It's just part of the eventual parcel for Carrington lads who manage to break through these days while the club languishes on the pitch.
The most irrational leaps to judgement and character attacks are very often reserved for our own youngest and brightest after a point.
His former manager has frozen him out. Been statistically the worst manager in all of our lifetimes. Has repeatedly called him out in press conferences or denigrating him. Spent his final moments throwing a grenade at the club and basically told them to sack him despite always saying if he failed he would walk without a payout. And on the day he is finally axed, he leaves laughing and joking and then does a pap walk down his driveway in sunglasses.
Amorim has charmed the hell out of a lot of you.
Amorim has charmed the hell out of a lot of you.
Which other players are you referring to?
Yes he is better higher up the pitch, but that doesn't need to be as a 10. Ideally you would have a midfield that balances qualities. The playmaker type, who recycles possession well, and is good with the ball at their feet, can be either a 6 or an 8. Just like your ball winning midfielder can be the 6 or the 8. It is just a question of where you want to do it, and how the team plays. Pressing and winning back possession is also a team responsibility, not just on individuals. For me, Casemiro playing as the deepest player, with Mainoo slightly in front of him, and Bruno or Mount alongside, balances everything you need in a midfield. There are likely players who are better in each position, but it's not about individuals, it's about the cohesive qualities of the players you have. Mainoo playing as an 8 is, for me, his ideal role. He just needs a lot more minutes in that role. He has already played it to a very high level. It also assumes that without the ball your 10 drops into the central positions to form a three, which gives you solidity, and with the ball is willing to come deep to link up with the 6 and 8 to play triangles through the middle. In my mind 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 are two very different formations. In a 4-2-3-1 you are playing with two pivots, with your 10 sitting in the hole. This puts a lot on those two deeper lying players in terms of their qualities. In a 4-3-3 you'd expect the three to press and progress the ball as a unit, with your 6 sitting as a sort of anchor, and the 10 having more attacking license.
Arsenal just beat Villa 4-1 with a midfield of Zubimendi, Merino and Odegaard. There is very little steel in that midfield, and not a ton of athleticism either. Yet is worked cohesively as a unit, and dominated the play. Usually they would have Rice in the mix, who brings a lot of everything to the game, but the point is that a midfield trio of Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno should be able to dominate 80% of the PL teams, and be very competitive with the other 20%, if they play cohesively and the shape and instructions are correct. People are way too focused on individuals and their qualities, and not enough on the system and approach. Too often United have been a team of individuals, with the solution always being to replace the individuals when things aren't going well and expect better results. This results in a lot of money spent with little to show for it. Players then leave and look better elsewhere because they play in a cohesive system that minimizes their deficiencies and maximizes the team's ability to perform as a group.
We will continue to covet high priced midfielders, and then slag them off later, until we develop an approach that emphasizes the team rather than the individual. I'll give you an example....I think Bruno is our most effective individual player. His stats constantly back this up. He can see a pass, and is willing to take a risk, that very few players are willing to do. This often results in chances created. But having Bruno in the team means, in my opinion, that you have to be set up to be defensively very solid, and transition rapidly. Why? because Bruno also turns the ball over, a lot. This affects the momentum of the game. He goes for that low percentage, defence splitting ball a lot, and while this leads to goals, it also leads to freuent turnovers. So you have to be prepared to defend when that happens. You also have to be prepared to make constant runs in behind to make the most of his high risk strategy,
If you want to dominate possession, probe for openings, press in a controlled manner, then you select Mount over Bruno. You don't get the hollywood pass, or youtube moment of a sensational defence splitting pass, but you do get a hardworking, defensively responsible player, who treats the ball with care and has an effective attacking instinct. For me it is the epitome of the debate of systems over individuals. The best midfield doesn't necessarily include the best player. And if it does, it is because we are playing a system that maximizes his qualities and minimizes his deficiencies. But again, that would be system over individuals triumphing again. The problem is, we want to play a player like Bruno as the heartbeat of the team, we want him to do all the high risk, sensational stuff, but we also want him to play that careful, considered responsible football to recycle possession. That's having your cake an eating it. By definition only 10-30% of those high risk passes ever comes off. So when he does try it and it fails, we can't all be committed upfield and leave ourselves exposed to the counter attack. Something which has constantly happened. Amorim using him as one of the two CMs was just mental.
Re Kobbie liking that Instagram post. It was childish and immature. The sort of thing a 20 year old does. He should be quietly disciplined and we move on.
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Ooo I didn’t think about Mount being in one of the CM spots.
Yeah. I don't know why this is so hard to understand for some. Say whatever you want in private, but in public and on social media you are a representative of the club. Conduct yourself like a professional.
Both his sister & brother have have been acting like idiots, he's well aware of their actions and obviously supports this. I'm pretty sure there was an article that confirmed he knew about the t shirt incident and approved. It's not exactly professional behaviour is it? He now just liked an online post regarding his sacking...
I have no problem with the guy but I can see the other side here and he's not exactly innocent in all this. His talent does not justify the hysteria he's endorsing. On top of that he's reportedly demanding astronomical wages. This does not excuse Amorim's poor management of his game time but Mainoo is not exactly in my good books here.
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I might be in the minority but Mainoo hasn't shown enough to have all this circus around him.He was good when he broke through then never kicked on.
If him and his family are gonna cause more trouble like Garnacho I'd prefer he'd be sold.
If him and his family are gonna cause more trouble like Garnacho I'd prefer he'd be sold.
behaving like a child atm
sad to see. Hopefully not another garnacho. at least Chido had the good grace to show respect
sad to see. Hopefully not another garnacho. at least Chido had the good grace to show respect
Mr Bean, funny.
Okay, it's obviously juvenile and poor liking that post, no argument from me there. That said, Mainoo is still a young kid. He has been out of the team all season and when he has got some playtime, it's not been enough to find some form.
As we are only humans, the situation going on for months, has probably been hard for him to handle. And then comes sadness and anger, that leads to resentment.
I have never read any bad article about Mainoo and I genuinely believe that he is a good guy caught in a bad spell in his career.
As we are only humans, the situation going on for months, has probably been hard for him to handle. And then comes sadness and anger, that leads to resentment.
I have never read any bad article about Mainoo and I genuinely believe that he is a good guy caught in a bad spell in his career.
Just checked Insta. Kobbie only player to not wish him the best it seems.
Amoirm has given his reason over and over. There is only one possition for Kobbie and it occupied by Bruno.
Now if Kobbie has dropped a level in training, is it surprising. Can't be very motivating to know you won't start a game unless the captain is injured.