Dem the breaks.
Sooner or later he has to accept competition for places.
Can't just hand things over on a silver plate here.
Sooner or later he has to accept competition for places.
Can't just hand things over on a silver plate here.
Kobbie Mainoo
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Mount at CM is not optimal, but in a midfield 3 he could actually do a job for us in a pinch. The key is to push Bruno up so he can actually do what he does best.
I know it’s fashionable to take the piss on our squad, but we actually have a decent squad. Not a PL title challenging squad, but a squad that should be comfortably in the top four. We’re not off the top four, but we’re not far off 12th either.
Right, but Amorim only played two midfielders, whoch not only meant no room for Kobbie but it also meant getting punked by bottom table squads.
I felt that was some boiled-up excuse for not playing him. Mainoo has been used in multiple position, even by Amorin himself.
Completely agree. Even though any three of our four senior midfield options in any combination has issues, it's a damn site better than fielding only two of them against the three that all other clubs play.
And we play two in midfield why? So we can start Luke Shaw every game at center back, the stud that he is, and allow our two productive wing backs, Dalot and Dorgu, to get forward and shank crosses over the bar.
Luke Shaw, 1,345 touches this season (second most in squad). Kobbie Manioo 187. Make it make sense, please!!
Now who is taking piss what we have is highly imbalanced comfortable top 6 squad on a good day nothing more we are exactly where we belong .
So in your estimation we really are no better than a 10-man Everton, or Wolves or Leeds at full strength? That’s absurd. We’re definitely not a top tier squad but it’s a shambles that this squad is in 6th place.
Which might be scaringly close to what ETH tried to do. Bruno isn't positionally disciplined and will go ball hunting and trying to pop up with stuff, Mount is great at pressing, completely agree, so he also shouldn't restrict himself. Leaving Casemiro behind is just asking for trouble. It might work when you add a lot of running power to the back line so they can push up but that is a risky gamble.
Who has gotten better the more time he hasn't played the position apparently. Maz is a good player but his strength lies in inverting not in playing like a somewhat traditional FB. He isn't dangerous enough for that. He'd do well underlapping though but that would mean, the player we play on that wing has to provide the width. Which would mean that Mbeumo or Amad would have to play a bit like Rashford was asked to play in ETHs 2nd and 3rd season, don't think that'll go well.
In the season he broke through maybe, when he was an unknown entity.
Which has been an issue in the past when we've seen that Bruno was more likely to join attacks than join the midfield.
I don't think the formation has anything to do whether you want to press or not.
In that game xG suggests that Villa created enough chances to score 2 or even more goals. Aston Villa had more passes throughout the game and based on sofascore just one "big chance" less. Not really sure that accounts for "dominated".
I don't think so. Casemiros mobility is way worse than all of his Arsenal counterparts while the technical level of our 3 vs their 3 is not comparable. The notion that we should dominate with those players is very odd to me, where do you take such assumptions from? I agree with the following paragraph about individuals vs teams but playing in a team doesn't magically erase issues. You can cover some deficits of a few players by having others around but from a certain point onwards, it becomes impossible. There was never a point in time in last few years where a United team was capable of playing to dominate the ball. So if you are claiming that we can just switch that on then I think you have a little more explaining to do on why that now suddenly will work.
Agree. Now I am curious how you want to mitigate that by playing him with Mainoo and Casemiro.
I like the pledoyer for team over individuals but didn't you say earlier that you expect a midfield-3 with him and Casemiro to be able to dominate most teams in the league? One of those statements doesn't seem to fit the story. Or do I get something wrong?
Ruben’s midfield philosophy was all wrong for the players that he had at his disposal and the league he was competing. He deployed his best player, Bruno, into a role he cannot deliver on, he asked too much of Casemiro and too little of Mainoo. Mount is injured all the time so there’s that, and Ugarte is no more than a squad man for us. Utterly brainless management by Amorim, yet we are somehow in 6th place on the day we sacked him.
Is there only Top4 and "no better than 10-men Everton and Wolves"?
It's weird for Mainoo. He was superb playing for England and us before Amorim. Suddenly, he was "not ready" and need to be more patient as youth player. We mismanaged him?
But he has his own flaws. His brother and sister doing weird stuffs in social media and etc. And also demanding for 200k??!! Garnacho was good for us too but he was only on like 70k?
Hope with new manager Mainoo will put all these behind and start to perform on the pitch. Hope he will sign new contract with reasonable wages and commit to us long term.
But he has his own flaws. His brother and sister doing weird stuffs in social media and etc. And also demanding for 200k??!! Garnacho was good for us too but he was only on like 70k?
Hope with new manager Mainoo will put all these behind and start to perform on the pitch. Hope he will sign new contract with reasonable wages and commit to us long term.
Last I checked we were ahead of all these teams in the league table and you are just making my point we would continue to have these kind of results because we are simply not as good you want to believe .
These are results of a Top 8 squad where on a good day they Can get results against better opponents while on shocking days we have to suffer through results Like Everton , Wolves.
Unless we add more talent we would continue to have these discussions irrespective of who the manager is .
You're the one spamming hate about one of our academy graduates for ages now. It just took until now for you to get called up on it. Who gives a feck if his brother wore a shirt. Plenty of players have done far worse. Plenty of United legends. Mainoo stayed quiet, and has liked a post. Good on him. Bet he's delighted and rightfully so, as Amorim leaving has saved his Manchester United career, the club he's grown up at and supported his whole life.
Now you're calling him a cretin
I don't give a feck if I'm a mod or not. If I see someone being repeatedly toxic, pushing lies about things that literally mean feck all for anything any fan should care about - then I will call them out on it. Post about his talent issues like most of his others haters do. At least you'd focus on his football, and not attack his character (for no reason), which again, has had nothing but praise from anyone who has ever worked with him. Honestly says more about you at that point.
Oh shut up you're going on ignore buddyYou're the one spamming hate about one of our academy graduates for ages now. It just took until now for you to get called up on it. Who gives a feck if his brother wore a shirt. Plenty of players have done far worse. Plenty of United legends. Mainoo stayed quiet, and has liked a post. Good on him. Bet he's delighted and rightfully so, as Amorim leaving has saved his Manchester United career, the club he's grown up at and supported his whole life.
Now you're calling him a cretin
I don't give a feck if I'm a mod or not. If I see someone being repeatedly toxic, pushing lies about things that literally mean feck all for anything any fan should care about - then I will call them out on it. Post about his talent issues like most of his others haters do. At least you'd focus on his football, and not attack his character (for no reason), which again, has had nothing but praise from anyone who has ever worked with him. Honestly says more about you at that point.
There is no hysteria around him. He has literally done nothing. The hysteria is because we had a stubborn and shit manager who refused to use him. That's it. So there are constant questions "why isn't he playing". Amorim never said anything about training or attitude (which he had no issues of saying for others). He just said he's behind Bruno, due to idiotic system. So that's it. That's the hysteria. The rest is people pushing lies.
Astronomical wages, a rumor of what was starting point of negotiations at the club when they were handing those out to everyone. Any agent should look out for their player and get them the best deal they can and of course compare to others. Then discussions presumably stopped once Ten Hag got sacked anyway.
Here here *toasts glass*You're the one spamming hate about one of our academy graduates for ages now. It just took until now for you to get called up on it. Who gives a feck if his brother wore a shirt. Plenty of players have done far worse. Plenty of United legends. Mainoo stayed quiet, and has liked a post. Good on him. Bet he's delighted and rightfully so, as Amorim leaving has saved his Manchester United career, the club he's grown up at and supported his whole life.
Now you're calling him a cretin
I don't give a feck if I'm a mod or not. If I see someone being repeatedly toxic, pushing lies about things that literally mean feck all for anything any fan should care about - then I will call them out on it. Post about his talent issues like most of his others haters do. At least you'd focus on his football, and not attack his character (for no reason), which again, has had nothing but praise from anyone who has ever worked with him. Honestly says more about you at that point.
Bravo!! The poster is too infatuated with Amorim, so ofcourse they have to attack Mainoo.You're the one spamming hate about one of our academy graduates for ages now. It just took until now for you to get called up on it. Who gives a feck if his brother wore a shirt. Plenty of players have done far worse. Plenty of United legends. Mainoo stayed quiet, and has liked a post. Good on him. Bet he's delighted and rightfully so, as Amorim leaving has saved his Manchester United career, the club he's grown up at and supported his whole life.
Now you're calling him a cretin
I don't give a feck if I'm a mod or not. If I see someone being repeatedly toxic, pushing lies about things that literally mean feck all for anything any fan should care about - then I will call them out on it. Post about his talent issues like most of his others haters do. At least you'd focus on his football, and not attack his character (for no reason), which again, has had nothing but praise from anyone who has ever worked with him. Honestly says more about you at that point.
I'm really looking forward to seeing him shine again once he gets back into the swing of things. Our most exciting academy product in years.
Scholes literally pulled a Tevez and refused to come off the bench because he was miffed at not starting. Under one of the greatest managers of all time. And he was getting far more game time than Mainoo in general.You're the one spamming hate about one of our academy graduates for ages now. It just took until now for you to get called up on it. Who gives a feck if his brother wore a shirt. Plenty of players have done far worse. Plenty of United legends. Mainoo stayed quiet, and has liked a post. Good on him. Bet he's delighted and rightfully so, as Amorim leaving has saved his Manchester United career, the club he's grown up at and supported his whole life.
Now you're calling him a cretin
I don't give a feck if I'm a mod or not. If I see someone being repeatedly toxic, pushing lies about things that literally mean feck all for anything any fan should care about - then I will call them out on it. Post about his talent issues like most of his others haters do. At least you'd focus on his football, and not attack his character (for no reason), which again, has had nothing but praise from anyone who has ever worked with him. Honestly says more about you at that point.
If Mainoo is getting stick for pretty much nothing, who continued to train well and play when called upon under a rubbish manager who clearly didn't want him, I'd have loved to have seen the reaction to Scholes doing that at the time.
Stuff like this isn't the end of the world. Fergie overlooked that because he knew how talented Scholes was. People may disagree but Mainoo is incredibly talented, too. Talented enough to give the benefit of the doubt to.
Based on what? Doesn't Mount blow Mainoo out the water in basically every single defensive metric? From eye test alone, Mount has much more intensity off the ball.
I expect the release of a new T-shirt soon: “Kobbie freed at last…”
There's no way his brother wore that t-shirt at the game without Kobbie knowing about it. A massive red flag against him if you ask me. Let's hope that's the end of all this petulant nonsense but it doesn't bode well.
Hey look who’s bouncing and fit as a fiddle again, the very next day. Obviously faked it all along to spite the manager when he lost Bruno. Must admit, the timing couldn’t be more impeccable, both when he became unfit and again when he suddenly became fit again. Brilliant.
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Any manager would take a fit Mason above Kobbie any day of the week!
Guy's a genius, started training a week ago because not only did he know Amorim would have another one of his meltdowns several days later, but that this time he'd get himself fired. Or, alternatively, a time traveler. Either way, very impressive.
It’s usually Shaw that miraculously makes recoveries after a manager is fired here.
Nowhere near good enough to have such a big head. When we finally buy some cms he will get even less playing time so should be sold while he still has value
Based on the positions they have played for the majority of their careers. Being good defensively as no.10 (or the most attacking 8) or wide attacker does not necessarily translate in a deeper midfield role. I had the concern at the time he was signed, that he was the wrong profile of signing. Quite a good fit for the 343 but in a 433 or 4231 I think he's competing with Bruno as the most advanced midfielder or possibly Cunha on the LW.
And another banger of a post.You're the one spamming hate about one of our academy graduates for ages now. It just took until now for you to get called up on it. Who gives a feck if his brother wore a shirt. Plenty of players have done far worse. Plenty of United legends. Mainoo stayed quiet, and has liked a post. Good on him. Bet he's delighted and rightfully so, as Amorim leaving has saved his Manchester United career, the club he's grown up at and supported his whole life.
Now you're calling him a cretin
I don't give a feck if I'm a mod or not. If I see someone being repeatedly toxic, pushing lies about things that literally mean feck all for anything any fan should care about - then I will call them out on it. Post about his talent issues like most of his others haters do. At least you'd focus on his football, and not attack his character (for no reason), which again, has had nothing but praise from anyone who has ever worked with him. Honestly says more about you at that point.
Play a midfield 3 like a proper club and this man will thrive.
The fact Amorim said Mainoo didnt have anything to do with it and is a good lad holds a lot of weight given who it came from. The big difference between Mainoo and Garnacho/Rashford is no one inside the club has a bad word to say about him
Not only that, he is on social media liking memes making fun of Amorim. I mean we all wanted to get rid of Amorim, but he has to be a professional, he did not have to thank him if they were not on good terms, but he did not have to go around on social media acting unprofessional.
Needs binning off and I was (still am to a extent) a big fan of him.
"Discreetly" liking social media posts to take your shots is so cowardly.
Do you have any evidence of that? What was said? And who all said it?
In his defence he’s as delighted to see the back of Amorim as the sensible majority of us. Liking Instagram posts is a little silly but it’s also not that serious. Hopefully our interim manager gives him a chance to get back into the team but he needs to take it.
Be careful what you wish for. Even the most ardent Mainoo fan has to admit he is rusty. Even when he was playing well a midfield of Casemiro, Bruno and Mainoo left us very exposed in the middle because neither Mainoo or Bruno are very reliable at tracking runners and neither have great defensive positional awareness.
There are a lot of people on here saying that we will just automatically get better moving to a 4231, completely forgetting that we've not got the legs in midfield and we've seen this story before.
There are a lot of people on here saying that we will just automatically get better moving to a 4231, completely forgetting that we've not got the legs in midfield and we've seen this story before.
If someone doesn’t fancy you and gives a rat ass about you career, why would you hide your pleasure in seeing the back of him? Amorim had his favorites and they got way more chances than Mainoo, he gets sacked and Mainoo needs to pretend that he isn’t happy?
Amorim genuinely laughed at the suggestion of Mainoo in a press conference. Absolutely not blaming a 20 year old for being a bit petty that he's gone
Play a midfield 3 to try to fit in Mainoo? What a solid plan. Build a team around the great Kobbie Mainoo. A few good games for England once (before Spains midfield running rings around him and getting hooked) and a couple of good goals a few years ago. Let the legs of Casemiro and Bruno do the donkey work to cover his ambling pace and Kobbie will flourish!
If we go 3 in CM I'd rather see Ugarte or Mount. Unless the next guy is a club puppet then this is what will happen.