Good! Finally some sense.
Kobbie Mainoo
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and just like that things are back on track
Makes the heart happy. Honestly, few better former midfielders to take him under his wing than Michael Carrick.
He was never going to leave in Jan once Amorim was gone.
Crazy how quickly things turn around. Move on from an absolute fraud of a manager, Carrick comes in and everything is positive again with Mainoo. Great to see.
We saw a similar scenario play out with Amad when Ten Hag left.
I'd still be a bit cautious here. It's one game against a City side that really didn't play well. I'd love to see more of the same in a 4-5 game streak, which I think is something he's never really delivered under any manager.
Mainoo and his team have left a lot of money on the table with this long-drawn-out contract negotiation...it must be over a year since the initial meetings.
Sir Jim must be loving those savings!
Sir Jim must be loving those savings!
I'd also say his ability to stay fit is his biggest worry now, that's probably the only thing that will derail his chances of starting every game til the end of the season.
like what i'm seeing thus far and just hope we can build on last week.
With the news of Casemiro leaving and belief in Ugarte probably being rock bottom, he's practically our only CM close to the starting XI.That gives him one hell of a bargaining chip going into the contract talks!
"So we're thinking..."
"200k per week"
"That's 10 times what earn now! And it makes you one of our highest earners!"
"See that trash can over there?"
"Yes?"
"What do you see inside it?"
"Nothing? It was just emptied by the Tea Lady"
"No, what you're seeing is the central midfield without me. Although my analogy would also work if the trash can was full"
"Fine, I'll give you what you want. And fire the Tea Lady again"
"So we're thinking..."
"200k per week"
"That's 10 times what earn now! And it makes you one of our highest earners!"
"See that trash can over there?"
"Yes?"
"What do you see inside it?"
"Nothing? It was just emptied by the Tea Lady"
"No, what you're seeing is the central midfield without me. Although my analogy would also work if the trash can was full"
"Fine, I'll give you what you want. And fire the Tea Lady again"
really hoping he builds on last week and get back to the form that made him a regular in the england team,
He is not getting anything more than 100-120k wages a week including CL bonus , despite all noise how he highly we value him and how he is critical to our future Ineos wouldnt think twice to cash on in him if contract comprise can't be found .With the news of Casemiro leaving and belief in Ugarte probably being rock bottom, he's practically our only CM close to the starting XI.That gives him one hell of a bargaining chip going into the contract talks!
"So we're thinking..."
"200k per week"
"That's 10 times what earn now! And it makes you one of our highest earners!"
"See that trash can over there?"
"Yes?"
"What do you see inside it?"
"Nothing? It was just emptied by the Tea Lady"
"No, what you're seeing is the central midfield without me. Although my analogy would also work if the trash can was full"
"Fine, I'll give you what you want. And fire the Tea Lady again"
You are probably right, but he has an excellent bargaining chip now. He will surely get a higher salary than he could anywhere else (apart from Saudi Arabia).
and just like that things are back on track
No fecking way Romano posted that
Am beginning to warm to this view.
He ain’t wrong
I'm a critic, but he's clearly not bang average. He just has obvious limitations. Jorginho and Matic had obvious limitations, but they were still fantastic players. We need to set him up for success and he also needs to work out what he wants to be, because he's turning into a Joe Allen type player.
Difference is Jorginho and Matic had qualites Kobbie doesn’t have. Jorginho was a good passer of the ball that could up the pace and make more risky passes to gain ground on the opposition, Matic was a true midfielder with some stand out qualities. While Kobbie is a 5 a side player.
Yeah he’s not it. Too easy to overpower and outfight despite the qualities he has on the ball, which is basically a deft turn to break the press a few times per game, which isn’t translating into goalscoring opportunities for the team.
And I didn’t suddenly forget about the murmurings coming out of his camp including his half brother’s stunt when he was out in the cold but you would’ve got hounded if you had those concerns after he had three good games.
And I didn’t suddenly forget about the murmurings coming out of his camp including his half brother’s stunt when he was out in the cold but you would’ve got hounded if you had those concerns after he had three good games.
So expressing concerns after “three good games” was absolutely fine but you’ve no interest in showing a bit of patience after two poor games?
Ive never believed the Mainoo hype, although ive always hoped he would prove me wrong with a run in the team.
To be a modern day premier league midfielder, you need more than technical ability, you have to be mobile, energetic and highly combative, and he is none of these.
Having an ageing Casemiro alongside him isnt ideal i get that.
For me he is more suited to Italian football where the pace is slower and game less physical.
To be a modern day premier league midfielder, you need more than technical ability, you have to be mobile, energetic and highly combative, and he is none of these.
Having an ageing Casemiro alongside him isnt ideal i get that.
For me he is more suited to Italian football where the pace is slower and game less physical.
Yesterday even Newcastle a man down there was miles of space in midfield. We (he) just gets pushed around so easily. I wish he develops but he’s got a lot of work to do.
He's just not good enough to start for us.
I didn’t express my concerns because I would’ve been hounded for being concerned about his mentality after he came back in and had a few good games. As for patience, I don’t have any choice because we don’t really have anyone else until the next window, but I don’t think he’s someone to build the team around and should be a squad player at best.
I don’t really see him overcoming the limitations he has to become as dynamic as is needed to thrive in the PL, and that was something that needed to happen when he first broke through because it was apparent then and is apparent now. I’d be incredibly happy if he turned into a physical monster but he doesn’t really seem to be interested enough to iron out his weaknesses.
I doubt his camp will agree with my opinion on his place in the squad though based on what we saw trickling into the media during his time on the bench under Amorim.
Said it before. He has what is needed to be a top player but unfortunately doesn't cut it. Plays far too safe far too often. He has the qualities to be a game changer but we're not seeing it. If there not already using mental coaching it could be an answer.
I’m really confused by the idea that a 20 year old who you imply is so disabled, physically, that he should basically rule out a decent PL career is the same 20 year old you reckon just had “a few good games”? How is it possible to play really well in even just one game if he has such fundamental limitations?
To me it seems like he just needs to get more consistent. So we have more “good games” and fewer performances like last night in any given season. And something else that confuses me is the growing consensus on here that a 20 year old footballer couldn’t possibly get more consistent as he matures and develops.
feck me are people in here for real?? He’s a 20 year old CM having a dip in form. What were Modric/Iniesta/Xavi doing at that age?
Against Foden, Cherki, Rodri, Rice and Zubi no less.
This forum bewilders me, the guy is 20 and has generally been good under Carrick and it seems many posters are coiled like springs, salivating for the games he's not so good in to shoot out of their lairs to tell the world.
Bruno was toilet yesterday and opened the entire midfield up to get overrun, Case was shocking as well, but because one got an assist and one got a goal Mainoo seems to catch the flak.
Bruno was toilet yesterday and opened the entire midfield up to get overrun, Case was shocking as well, but because one got an assist and one got a goal Mainoo seems to catch the flak.
It's more like he has the odd peak.
Some of us have been saying for months, what people are just realising about him.
He needs to add a bit more of passing flair to his game to become a bit more unpredictable. We saw glimpses of that in the first few games under Carrick, so hopefully this can be coached into him.
Constantly moved into positions to receive and was looked off by Yoro, Maguire and Lammens constantly.
Then was the only one I saw gesticulating to others to get the ball moving quicker.
Then was the only one I saw gesticulating to others to get the ball moving quicker.
Nothing to suggest he is anything like those players, more in common with cleverly.
What were Fabregas, Seedorf, Davids doing at his age is also a valid question, if we're playing this game.
A decent PL career doesn’t exclude being a squad player at United, so we’re essentially arguing about different things.
I’m saying I don’t think he is, or will become, the player to build our midfield around for the next 5-7-10 years. I’ve seen people on here saying we need to buy an energetic foil for him as if his presence in the starting eleven based on his current abilities is nailed on.
His fundamental limitations are in the physical parts of the game and his lack of pace, stamina and strength means he is likely to be bullied by multiple players over the course of a season because he isn’t offsetting them with above average effort, passing, intensity or positioning. Yes, he’s had good games when he’s been afforded space to run forward with the ball, and he’s had bad games when facing a physically dominant opponent, but the weaknesses we saw when he broke through at 18 are apparent now and if anything even more visible at times because he hasn’t improved on them yet.
It’s not something unique to him either, because we saw how Casemiro’s lack of acceleration and poor footwork led to him being dispossessed multiple times last night (including in the build-up to the penalty), and he is a player we would’ve needed to replace due to physical limitations even if he wasn’t leaving, but in his case it’s obviously at the other end of his career.
I’d be very happy to see Kobbie become a player with much higher intensity levels, pace and stamina, but I’d be very surprised to see it happening. As it is, he’s a luxury player in a team with multiple frailties and little competition for the ”ball-progressing” midfield role, and the league is so competitive these days that you can’t really carry a luxury player. I don’t think carrying a luxury player who’s shown a tendency to grumble when he’s not in the starting XI and who, when on top form, isn’t even affecting the game in the final third that much, is the way forward for the club to become a force again.
What exactly are the attributes that you see in him that’s telling you he needs to be a starter for United and that we need to make signings to accomodate him in the starting eleven? Because for me, what I see on a good day is a neat and tidy player who can make a nice turn to go away from the press but who won’t play a dangerous through ball or pass into the final third directly leading to a goalscoring opportunity. And if he gets more consistent in doing that, so what when the ball goes out wide to Shaw after he’s bypassed the press?
So yeah, to paraphrase Moyesie, he needs to improve in a number of areas, including defending, attacking and passing.
Wilfully missing the point I’m making. Centre midfielders take time to mature. Since you didn’t want to answer my question, Modric was playing at Inter Zapresic on loan. Xavi and Iniesta hadnt even made a Spain national team appearance yet.
Kobbie has already played in a euros final and scored in an FA Cup final for a struggling United team (he did this when he was actually 18 btw)
To answer your question. Fabregas had only just made it into the Arsenal first team at 20, Seedorf had just moved from Ajax to Real Madrid and Davids had just won a UEFA cup with Ajax.
Pretty similar to Kobbie those last 3 tbh, not sure what point you’re making?
Have some patience ffs
Hopefully you realise that your question is a bit stupid? The whole point of what he’s saying is that it’s much much more common for a CM career trajectory to be similar to Modric et al than the likes of Fabrgas or Pedri. Which is just stating the obvious. His list is going to be a hell of a lot longer than yours, that’s for sure.
The flogging of Kobbie Mainoo here is ridiculous. I'd like to know the names of all the other 20 year old midfielders, anywhere in the world, who are better than he. There must be one somewhere, so anyone here who knows who that is please speak up.