Yamal is easily more talented as is Kvaratskhelia who imo is the true bpitw. Mbappe is past his early peak.
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Here is a post i made before which adds to your post:
I have been reading sid lowes book fear and loathing in la Liga recently and neither barca or madrid come of well in it. Madrid come off way worse though.
Back during the 40s and 50s and maybe beyond, supposedly the regime picked Barcelona presidents and lots ended up in jail. One was killed that i remember. A madrid president or two ended up in prison as well.
There were players in la liga that thought kubala was better than di stefano. Madrid and Barcelona were both supposed to have had an agreement for do stefano. They both fought for a while but Supposedly barca were put under much more pressure to back down. Madrid were not.
There were games where barca were helped by refs back then, but perhaps it was simply for madrid to have a worthy foe and to make it look like barca were helped just as much.
According to rexach, a barca player there were seasons where madrid got around 30 penalties and barca a handful. He said a big deal wasn't made because barca games were not on tv and only madrid were so you couldn't analyse like you can now.
There were lots of games madrid players complained about refs but I covered that earlier.
Imo lots of people associated with madrid and that were doing so out of fear. They perhaps were not as brave as catalans.
Cruyff said he would have joined madrid and that di stefano was his idol.
Supposedly a barca coach herrera gave amphetamines to players and tried to get someone to do something sneaky to break a barca player up with his girlfriend. He was supposed to have been very controversial. He spoke of bribing refs because he felt others were doing it too.
Mbappe hasn't helped it with his on field and off field antics. But hey, when PSG made him more important than the club itself no wonder his ego is out of control.
Well normally on every League even changing what teams (and at times not that much for long periods), ends being a two (three as much) horse race.
Also it's the appeal and stature of both clubs what makes them possible to attract the caliber of players they can get, at times no matter how great the rest of the League teams can be, they still will have the upper hand with such over the top squads.
There are always more nuances than plain black and white scenarios on everything and football ain't an exception.
Their Aura comes back to the 50's, where it was actually build, later they had quite a number of seaosns not doing in Europe and in more recent times they recover that Ultra Status in terms of CLs.
Is that really surprising, now that they can hoover up the world's best players by offering them a crack at CL glory every season?
They barely faced competition domestically until Barca finally got their act together.
The funny thing is, La liga could have been the best league around, but the top two were just not willing to share the TV money.
Yamal will eclipse him without doubt, I think in a really huge game I’d still back Mbappe more right now. Although I have to say Yamal might peak very early and burn out a bit too, people tend to forget Mbappe was already a sensational at age 18 too.
The pro-Xabi side has been throwing a lot of punches lately.
Flo will be happy about this
Calderon also botched the signing so badly Fergie made us wait an extra year specifically because he didn't want to sell to Calderon
Anyways, the 4th choice striker comments are likely a reaction to the rumors that Mbappé declared himself injured for the clasico after being told by the coaching staff he might not have started anyways
Yamal's game does not rely as much on physical attributes, he is more of a technical footballer. If he keeps away from major injuries and does not lose focus, no doubt that he will have a much superior career. As a player he is already better than any version of Mbappe, there is no doubt in my mind.
I am not sure if Mbappe was team Alonso. Wasn't Alonso really pissed off when Mbappe sabotaged his attempted guard of honor for Barca players, which in the end led to Xabi leaving?
Feels like Mbappe is only for Team Mbappe.
Nah, not to that extreme, neither I was reffering to the 00's, they came back in the 90s (while not being exactly as powerful as recently) after quite a number of years of ZERO, yet still Madrid because of their Glorius past and the understandeable hiperboles from many periods of that era in football regarding European Cups and WCs.
In any case we are really going out on a tangent here, the Killian thread
I'm getting third degree popcorn poisoning with all the entertainment Real has offered the last few weeks
Flo will be happy about this
Calderon also botched the signing so badly Fergie made us wait an extra year specifically because he didn't want to sell to Calderon
Anyways, the 4th choice striker comments are likely a reaction to the rumors that Mbappé declared himself injured for the clasico after being told by the coaching staff he might not have started anyways
Calderon being Calderon doesn't change the fact that Perez is a delusional egomaniac.
In regards to injuries, not directly related, but the medical staff at RM is an absolute joke and has been for ages, if Perez actually wanted to fix something he could have looked into that situation over the years.
Big task, i know, he has only been president for 17 straight years or so.
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Fair. I think it was de Jong who got booed for not voluntarily leaving to lower the wage bill.
Maybe their attitudes toward other things are influencing my opinions here but they've booed the champions league anthem because they didn't get their way with the super league. They've harassed referees. They've booed most of their star players over the last couple of decades. Everyone associated with the club is convinced their victims. Arbeloa did a press conference after Perez and he argued Real Madrid are treated differently to every other club as if the refs are against them. They seem extremely entitled in general.
I could buy this but they were chanting Mbappe's name at Hazard's unveiling. They knew he was a primadonna then but they wanted him signed because he was a big star. The club has been built on big attacking stars for as long as I've been alive.
I don't understand why a fanbase would be that angry because a player declined to move there unless they believed they are entitled to have him play there. I think they're annoyed that he showed that he wasn't desperate to play there, as they believe all players should be.
I see you have never met a Real Madrid fan.
The reason is not declining to go anywhere. Rather the feeling from many Real Madrid fans that he had been toying with the club for many years to get a better contract from PSG.
Which I don't think it was the case because this went beyond sport itself. Even Sarkozy was involved back then.
I don't think that's unique to RM. But it's not just an issue of anger. It's the whole context.
RM were not great from 2018 to 2021. They were clearly lacking a "superstar attacker", and the club and fanbase felt it should be Mbappe. He was seen as the savior of RM. The club the attempted to sign him in 2021, PSG responded in a very hostile way, the signing did not happen and the season began with low expectations.
Then something unexpected happened. RM had this insane campaign where they had all these crazy comebacks, including against PSG, and made it to the CL final. Then before the final, PSG announced the renewal. It was a big shock, but people also understood that the final was more important. RM won the final with a Vinicius Jr. goal, and I remember the commentator yelling "who needs Mbappe?!?" RM then maintained a high level for two more seasons, winning another CL in 2024.
This changes things. He is no longer seen as a savior, as there is nothing to save RM from. Plus his reputation takes a beating in the next two years because he is always in conflict with PSG even after renewing. So this goes from a transfer that people are absolutely desperate for, to one that people have more reasons to be skeptical about.
We've never been angry about signing him two years, we're angry now, because everyone on the team spent the season looking like an absolute twat. I think it's more than fair for us to be angry right now
As for never wanting him 2 years ago? Twice he had offers to sign for Madrid, and twice he rejected them. I don't see anything weird about fans reacting by not wanting him anymore
Another pichichi, at the expense of the other attackers in the team, yet again.
Great for him individually though.
Great for him individually though.
Vinicius ranked 4th in the top goalscorers table with 16 goals, which is his joint-highest placement ever.
While that is true, Vinicius scored a significant amount while Mbappe was out, goal per minutes is surely a lot better for him when Mbappe didn't play.
Wonder what’s going through his head tonight.
What boat should I buy next…
I was just about to bump this thread as well. Have to laugh at him. After Gabriel, Arteta and co, he's clearly the biggest loser tonight.
Hope he never ever wins a CL. And with the way Barcelona are looking under Flick, its tough to see him winning a La Liga anytime soon either.
Booed by his own fans as his old side improve ten fold without his ego, and do back to back CL’s. Lovely jubbly!
Made a wish with a monkey's paw.
I have nothing against Mbappe, but this is a pretty funny stat.
And he's by far dead last in La Liga.
Makes other players who have a bit of a reputation of not being so good out of possession look like workhorses.