Lamine Yamal v Cole Palmer

People are saying it because Yamal was the star of the Spanish team that won the Euros against an England team where Palmer was a substitute, and he won the Young Player award with 4 assists for Spain who had a much harder draw versus England. He is better than Palmer at 16, 17 and now too.

The last time people felt this excited was for 18yo Mbappe at Monaco and WC2018, and the previous time was probably Messi?

Don't forget the moment Pedri and Gavi came through and were immediately the new Xavi + Iniesta/Busquets, and immediately.
Remember the hype around Bellingham during the first half of last season at Real.
Don't forget when Neymar came through and scored that goal for Santos.
 
Lamine is different to the other wonderkids or hype jobs. He's already delivering at 17, he isn't potential or one for the future, he's already here.

Whether he's better than Palmer? Wouldn't like to say, Palmer has very impressive numbers.
 
Don't forget the moment Pedri and Gavi came through and were immediately the new Xavi + Iniesta/Busquets, and immediately.
Remember the hype around Bellingham during the first half of last season at Real.
Don't forget when Neymar came through and scored that goal for Santos.
Were any of those players the standout star of a Euro or WC winning team with the most assists? At 16-17 no less? None of Pedri, Gavi, Bellingham or Neymar have done it at 20 much less 17?

A lot of players are good at 16 but they weren't Euro or WC player of the tournament good.
 
At this point in time, who cares. Either's amazing

Thing is, Lamine Yamal is arguably the best player in the world at 17. In all of football history, we've had about 4 other players who could claim that distinction, 3 of them are widely regarded as the 3 best ever, and the 4th was widely expected to become the best ever before injuries ruined him...
 
People are saying it because Yamal was the star of the Spanish team that won the Euros against an England team where Palmer was a substitute, and he won the Young Player award with 4 assists for Spain who had a much harder draw versus England. He is better than Palmer at 16, 17 and now too.

The last time people felt this excited was for 18yo Mbappe at Monaco and WC2018, and the previous time was probably Messi?

Same, Cole Palmer who scored in that very Euros Final? Same Cole Palmer, who along with other great English talent are completely stifled due to a dinosaur manager? Same Cole Palmer, who at age 21 scored 26 goals in the season, including 22 in the Premier League along with about 17 assists? Same Cole Palmer, who also won PFA Young Player of the Year? It is fine to build up hype but problem is not acknowledging English talent doing the same. Nobody saw Palmer at age 17, so we don't know how good he was. But, at his current age he is simply a better player than Yamal no matter how much you try up hype one Int'l tournament, there is far more body of work in Palmer's case.

At this point in time, who cares. Either's amazing

Thing is, Lamine Yamal is arguably the best player in the world at 17. In all of football history, we've had about 4 other players who could claim that distinction, 3 of them are widely regarded as the 3 best ever, and the 4th was widely expected to become the best ever before injuries ruined him...

:lol:

That's enough of RedCafe for the day.
 
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Same, Cole Palmer who scored in that very Euros Final? Same Cole Palmer, who along with other great English talent are completely stifled due to a dinosaur manager? Nobody saw Palmer at age 17, so we don't know how good he was. At his current age he is simply a better player than Yamal no matter how much you try up hype one Int'l tournament.
You're like someone from 2004/05 arguing that 17yo Messi is an overrated fancy dribbler who'll lack the hardiness to survive tough tackles unlike the muscular strong English prodigy Wayne Rooney who has scored boatloads for Utd, Everton, England :lol: If Palmer had regular Rooney level performances from age 18 I'd get it, but they played in the very same Euros and we saw Yamal start against Croatia, Germany, France, Italy and win the young player award, and Palmer as a sub against Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland and Netherlands.... Please, Yamal came through much tougher opposition at least.

If you can't see how the difference in the level of their technical talent means they have different ceilings it can't be helped. Yamal's ceiling is higher because at 17, he's already able to execute his creative vision despite still lacking and developing physicality, stamina, tactics. Debuting at 15 for Barca and outshining most of the rest at the Euros with 4 assists and arguably the goal of the tournament at 16 is preposterous, it's hard to recall a recent player as young play as well at the Euros or WC. As a BVB fan who's seen tons of hyped youths come through our ranks (Sahin, Götze, Sancho, Gündogan, Hakimi, Haaland, Bellingham, Dembele, Pulisic Moukoko etc) Yamal is a different tier to those who win a YPOTY domestically but still struggle to convince their NT coach to hand them a starting berth for their country ahead of established stars, and he plays for a competitive NT like Spain not Norway. Even Jude was still playing for Birmingham in the C'ship at 16, not starting at the Euros. Spain was also unfancied to win Euro 24 unlike England, France or Germany, with a gaffer nobody thought highly of. Pre-Euros threads were dismissive of their chances and talent pool because they were relying on Cucurella, Morata, and a 16yo winger to start instead of blooding him in slowly from the bench. Fact is Southgate's England were the bookmaker's favourites for the Euros and had a much easier draw, but Yamal's overdelivering after a relative lack of pre-Euro hype (versus Bellingham and Foden) is the key reason why Spain managed to defy and vastly exceed their low pre-tournament expectations.

Palmer is a very good player but he is a bit of a late bloomer because technically he simply isn't as good on ball (and that's OK, players can thrive in other systems), if he was Pep and City simply wouldn't have sold him to a fellow top 4 rival like Chelsea. City and Pep didn't think he was as technically solid as Foden such that they didn't even want send Palmer out on loan or sell him with a buyback. Some City fans are trying to soften the blow of the sale by telling themselves Palmer wouldn't look as good against the 10 man parked buses City faces :lol: But the fact Palmer didn't pass Pep's eye test means he wasn't as technically as good as Pep demands his players to be, and his trajectory is very much different to Yamal who got fast tracked to play for Barca at 15 even in the uber competitive La Masia that produces loads of Pep-approved technical talent. There's just no point in comparing the two, hopefully Palmer does get into the CL next year.
 
Let’s see how Yamal holds up to Barca playing him 70 times a season. Let’s hope he’s more Messi Mk.2 than Fati mk.2. The omens don’t look good though. He’s already grossly overplayed. A serious injury waiting to happen. Outrageous talent.
 
Yamal is something else. Didn't think this quickly we could have someone who could also put their name forward for the greatest.

Obviously a long way to go but the talent is there.
 
You're like someone from 2004/05 arguing that 17yo Messi is an overrated fancy dribbler who'll lack the hardiness to survive tough tackles unlike the muscular strong English prodigy Wayne Rooney who has scored boatloads for Utd, Everton, England :lol: If Palmer had regular Rooney level performances from age 18 I'd get it, but they played in the very same Euros and we saw Yamal start against Croatia, Germany, France, Italy and win the young player award, and Palmer as a sub against Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland and Netherlands.... Please, Yamal came through much tougher opposition at least.

If you can't see how the difference in the level of their technical talent means they have different ceilings it can't be helped. Yamal's ceiling is higher because at 17, he's already able to execute his creative vision despite still lacking and developing physicality, stamina, tactics. Debuting at 15 for Barca and outshining most of the rest at the Euros with 4 assists and arguably the goal of the tournament at 16 is preposterous, it's hard to recall a recent player as young play as well at the Euros or WC. As a BVB fan who's seen tons of hyped youths come through our ranks (Sahin, Götze, Sancho, Gündogan, Hakimi, Haaland, Bellingham, Dembele, Pulisic Moukoko etc) Yamal is a different tier to those who win a YPOTY domestically but still struggle to convince their NT coach to hand them a starting berth for their country ahead of established stars, and he plays for a competitive NT like Spain not Norway. Even Jude was still playing for Birmingham in the C'ship at 16, not starting at the Euros. Spain was also unfancied to win Euro 24 unlike England, France or Germany, with a gaffer nobody thought highly of. Pre-Euros threads were dismissive of their chances and talent pool because they were relying on Cucurella, Morata, and a 16yo winger to start instead of blooding him in slowly from the bench. Fact is Southgate's England were the bookmaker's favourites for the Euros and had a much easier draw, but Yamal's overdelivering after a relative lack of pre-Euro hype (versus Bellingham and Foden) is the key reason why Spain managed to defy and vastly exceed their low pre-tournament expectations.

Palmer is a very good player but he is a bit of a late bloomer because technically he simply isn't as good on ball (and that's OK, players can thrive in other systems), if he was Pep and City simply wouldn't have sold him to a fellow top 4 rival like Chelsea. City and Pep didn't think he was as technically solid as Foden such that they didn't even want send Palmer out on loan or sell him with a buyback. Some City fans are trying to soften the blow of the sale by telling themselves Palmer wouldn't look as good against the 10 man parked buses City faces :lol: But the fact Palmer didn't pass Pep's eye test means he wasn't as technically as good as Pep demands his players to be, and his trajectory is very much different to Yamal who got fast tracked to play for Barca at 15 even in the uber competitive La Masia that produces loads of Pep-approved technical talent. There's just no point in comparing the two, hopefully Palmer does get into the CL next year.

Starting by putting words in someone's mouth by conjuring up a fictional scenario which was never alluded to, already off to a good start I see.

The amount of fanboyism in your post is truly absurd, you are hyping up an International tournament where many footballers have looked like world beaters but failed to replicate/build on it in their career. There is a world of difference in playing well over a 3-4 week period and doing it over 60-70 matches in a season, year in, year out. Especially someone at Yamal's age, where it is simply too early to call. Also, it is completely disingenuous to blame Palmer's lack of minutes due to his talents not being enough, it is more to do with Southgate being an absolute fecking buffoon. You can keep repeating yourself there is no comparison between the two and hoping somehow it becomes a reality, but as things stand Palmer is a much superior player. His numbers alone are proof of his talents, let's see where Yamal is at after a full season or two.

Rest of your post is utter drivel too, Pep isn't God. He has made multiple mistakes in the past, and Cole Palmer is one of them. The almighty technician Phil Foden who Pep preferred to keep stunk the place out at Euros despite starting every single match. Also, on what planet is age 21 a "late bloomer"? There is no point in conversing this further because you are either simply too deluded to hold a rational conversation or just arguing in bad faith, join the ignore list. Keep making terrible posts like this and by 2028 you should have enough reactions to get promoted from newbies :)
 
Let’s see how Yamal holds up to Barca playing him 70 times a season. Let’s hope he’s more Messi Mk.2 than Fati mk.2. The omens don’t look good though. He’s already grossly overplayed. A serious injury waiting to happen. Outrageous talent.

This was pretty much my exact thoughts. Yamal certainly has the talent and looks of a generational player that could go down as a historic legend but its way too early in his career to make definitive judgements. We need to see how he's going to hold up to full seasons of play at the top level and if he can't maintain this as his consistent level.

The comparison with Palmer seems odd though. They don't play the same position and Palmer is 5 years older.
 
Lamina Yamal is generational. Cole Palmer is a good player that has random bursts of high performance.
 
Such players as good as they are, are exciting when mainly when they score because they aren't gifted with technical brilliance on the ball and mainly excel at finding space to make decisive touches.

This is true for Havertz, but not Palmer. Palmer does everything and scores on top of it. Havertz has been reduced to an aerial targetman because he's clumsy, wasteful, and not creative on the ball.
 
Lamina Yamal is generational. Cole Palmer is a good player that has random bursts of high performance.
They’ve both exploded onto the scene at the same time and have sustained it over the same length of time…
 
Is it fair to compare them?

They're probably the 2 best young attacking players in the world right now. Despite Yamal's age he's playing like a 20 something.

Palmer is doing it in a harder league though.
I mean, Palmer cannot get a regular starting spot for England and Lamine is pretty much Spain's best attacking player, so there's your answer right there.
 
I mean, Palmer cannot get a regular starting spot for England and Lamine is pretty much Spain's best attacking player, so there's your answer right there.
But that's not true, Southgate wasted him, you know he'll be playing in the next England games.
 
He may do, but up to now, what I said is true. And he's already 22.
He's only broken through in the last year and his position his crowded with talent. Even the likes of Musiala have opted to play for Germany as there are number of top players who can play in that ten spot and that's not to mention Southgate's favouritism.

In limited time Palmer has assisted and scored in a semi-final and final at a major tournament.
 
He's only broken through in the last year and his position his crowded with talent. Even the likes of Musiala have opted to play for Germany as there are number of top players who can play in that ten spot and that's not to mention Southgate's favouritism.

In limited time Palmer has assisted and scored in a semi-final and final at a major tournament.
His position is not 'crowded with talent'. It's just that other players were deemed to be better than him until very recently.

Musiala chose to play for Germany ages ago and it was nothing to do with the (overrated) quality of his English peers.

Not sure what you mean by 'Southgate's favouritism.' If Palmer had been any good before last year, he would have been in Man City's team and the England starting line up.

Scored and assisted in a semi final and final? OK, Lamine did that as well. And he was actually starting and not coming off the bench.
 
Palmer is very good, but Yamal being this good at 17 is only matched by 3-4 players(off the top of my head) in the history of the sport.
 
He's only broken through in the last year and his position his crowded with talent. Even the likes of Musiala have opted to play for Germany as there are number of top players who can play in that ten spot and that's not to mention Southgate's favouritism.

In limited time Palmer has assisted and scored in a semi-final and final at a major tournament.
Say what now? You are implying that Musiala chose Germany over England since it would be easier to get games.
I'd love to see a quote for that or did he tell you over tea?
 
He's only broken through in the last year and his position his crowded with talent. Even the likes of Musiala have opted to play for Germany as there are number of top players who can play in that ten spot and that's not to mention Southgate's favouritism.

In limited time Palmer has assisted and scored in a semi-final and final at a major tournament.
You don't think Musiala chose Germany because he thought he'd have a better chance of winning a trophy?
England's trophy cabinet and manager isn't very inspiring to say the least, despite England's football history

Germany 4 WCs and 3 EUROs
England 1 WC

England has a manager who hates playing attacking football despite having a fantastic attacking squad at his disposal.

The Palmer vs. Yamal comparison is a bit daft though as it is 5 years between them.
Palmer is closer in age to Mbappe than he is to Yamal.

Both pretty good footballers though.
 
you are hyping up an International tournament where many footballers have looked like world beaters but failed to replicate/build on it in their career. You can keep repeating yourself there is no comparison between the two and hoping somehow it becomes a reality, but as things stand Palmer is a much superior player.
Again it's daft to compare players who are a whole 5 years apart? The reason why Yamal is better rated by fans of non-PL clubs is because he's shown quality in the CL and for the Spanish NT, and Palmer hasn't despite being half a decade older. If you want to be a generational player and win individual awards e.g. Kopa Trophy, BdO you need to be in the CL knockout stages regularly or targeted by a top CL club no? The CL is still the most prestigious contest, with higher standards and better defences than domestic leagues.

Comparing Palmer to Foden makes more sense and you've misinterpreted my tone, I was stating that City fans are deluding themselves into thinking that Palmer isn't better than Foden when he probably is and Pep mucked up by not giving Palmer regular gametime to show what he can do. I do think both of them play different roles and Palmer's emergence is great for England's striker prospects because he's the perfect candidate to inherit Kane's roaming CF role and penalty duties.
 
I mean, Palmer cannot get a regular starting spot for England and Lamine is pretty much Spain's best attacking player, so there's your answer right there.
Like Southgate would start Lamine over Saka for England in the Euros. :lol:


The Southgate factor cannot be ignored. The Spanish National Team setup is very different.


Whenever Palmer got some minutes in the Euros, he showed up more than any other England player.
 
I mean, Palmer cannot get a regular starting spot for England and Lamine is pretty much Spain's best attacking player, so there's your answer right there.

I always find it amusing that the majority of the consensus on the forum is that Southgate is shite (looking back at your posts you also seem to not rate Southgate), yet when it suits their argument they bring up players that didn't or haven't played for England under his tenure (too early in Carsley era to decide who is a regular and not).
 
It's funny how Yamal can be both "a real deal" and "extremely overhyped" at the same time :D
 
In WhoScored's player ratings for the European Championship Yamal (7.61 rating on average) sits at #3 for best rated player of the tournament, with Musiala (7.51 rating on average) at #7.
I just don't think the 0.1 difference in averages or the difference between #3 and #7 warrant "a chuckle" for comparing these placers or for mentioning them together when talking about the best young players in the world.

Wirtz ended Bayern's title dominance with Leverkusen, won the cup, and became German player of the year ahead of Musiala.
Bellingham was player of the season for the team that won the Champions League.
Musiala had his own Agueroooo moment the season before last.
Yamal is insane of course. But it's not like only because he's burst onto the scene in such stunning fashion, none of those others exist anymore. Bellingham, Wirtz, and Musiala all have years of being excellent under their belt.
Coming back to this, these scores you refer to are clearly a matter of perception and are subjective. Anyone believing there was a 0.1 between Yamal and the others is not seeing the same game as those firmly in the former’s camp.

Musiala in particular seems to wow people because his skilset and style of play is thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable to watch; his aesthetic has the hallmarks of a player who, if his development continues, will surely be a player spoken of in one of the best players in the world superlatives. He had the game against a rubbish Scotland side and those who are taken by his aesthetic were really cooing over him. He’s going to have a staunch following because he plays the game in a fun and engrossing fashion, but to me, he is some years off being the finished article. His decision making and thought processes do not optimise his game and with more cunning and guile, he would be a way more effective player, imo. But I expect all of that to be incorporated as he matures.

Bellingham is a fantastic player, but his game management is poor. He doesn’t know how to pace himself yet and uses energy and bluster over considered actions at just the right moments far too often under duress. This is commonly known as hero ball or me-me centric. Like Musiala, I suspect that he will mature and become a lot better at managing his game to optimise it.

Wirtz is a lot more considered than the other two and has less developing to do in terms of optimising his own skilset, he also has more to do on the international stage and in the grandest stages (CL).

By contrast, Yamal plays like a 27-year old veteran who reads the game and opposition like he’s done ‘this’ a hundred times before. He’s never rushed or flustered and his game management is extraordinary. He comes ‘alive’ in the most deadly and unassuming fashion and it should not take anyone who has watched the true greats long to see there is something very, very special about him. He exudes that calm and ability to make the game flow to his beat that young Mbappe had as his most stand out trait, but, unlike Mbappe, it is not a sudden burst of godly athleticism that unsettles opponents, it’s the ability to the right things at the right time with no fuss whatsoever that is extremely problematic. Unlike Musiala or Bellingham, there is no wasted energy or action and absolutely no raa-raa to beating players or advancing up the pitch - Yamal is a baby, even amongst these so-called peers yet his economy of movement is, I would say, beyond world class already.

He’s never rushed. He gets compared to Messi a lot, and before ability, I would say that economy of movement and minimal fuss there is in his game is the most similar to Messi and perhaps the likeness people see, but can’t quite put their finger on. What this also means is that you can’t take your eye of him for a even a moment, which is mentally exhausting for opponents - he’s going to hurt you at some point, as yet undetermined, and you better be ready… this is the lull and deception before he comes alive and executes the decisive action that wins the game with minimal effort or fuss. Unlike all of the others, the edge this gives him is that there is no way to prepare for that. You are not supposed to see that in a 16 or 17-year old and you can count on one hand the players who exhibited that at the levels of football Yamal is doing. The Euros themselves being indicative - a stage where all of the others tightened up and played in agitated fashion, whilst this kid looked like the finished article expected to carry his team to glory, barely breaking a sweat because his reading of the game, and what to do within said game is off the charts.

The others may or may not reach their potential; for Yamal, the only two things that feel like they could curtail him is being ruined by overplaying, or a mental disconnect that causes his game to plummet, but in terms of both ability and reading of the game and how to affect it, he’s not on the same trajectory as the others and never was, despite them all being prodigies and potentially world class players in their own right - he’s currently to be rolled out alongside a teenage Neymar, I’d say, that kind of categorisation. Not the teenage Pele, Maradona or Ronaldo tier, but certainly out of this world freakish in terms of what the game has ever seen 16 and 17 year olds do, and even in saying that, on current trajectory he is above Ronaldo who was “only” doing it at Cruzerio and PSV at these equivalent ages.

The problem I see here is people trying to compare Yamal with others as if it’s like for like. He is 17(!), performing incredulous feats in the adult game since 16. This is far removed from all of the so-called peers. They are absolutely not one and the same. He plays with more understanding of the game and composure than any of them, by a distance. Factoring in technical superiority etc. is not even necessary - knowing exactly what to do with available skilset, he’s in a league of his own for that in comparison to any of the others.

What tempers excitement about Yamal is the expectation of club and country ruining him and the world not getting to see the organic conclusion to his career - by the ages the others are, Yamal could well be “Pedri’d” and half the player he currently is.
 
I don't think Lamine Yamal is particularly advanced in his game IQ, poise, whatever else, etc

He reminds of Messi because he's that good. Like Messi, he looks like a 25 year old playing against a bunch of 10 year olds out there. It's not that he's smart, he's just so much better than everyone he comes up against that whatever he decides to do works. Every decision he makes becomes the right decision

And yeah i'm exaggerating, of course, but he's 17
 
Like Southgate would start Lamine over Saka for England in the Euros. :lol:


The Southgate factor cannot be ignored. The Spanish National Team setup is very different.


Whenever Palmer got some minutes in the Euros, he showed up more than any other England player.
I mean, he probably would, because Lamine Yamal better than Saka. And I think Saka is a really good player. Yamal is also better than Palmer, which is the point.

Why wouldn't Southgate start him? He started Mainoo, in a position that is more difficult for a very young player than the wing. I know Mainoo is older, but it's still a risk.
 
I always find it amusing that the majority of the consensus on the forum is that Southgate is shite (looking back at your posts you also seem to not rate Southgate), yet when it suits their argument they bring up players that didn't or haven't played for England under his tenure (too early in Carsley era to decide who is a regular and not).
Whether Southgate is shite or not is not the point. If Palmer was as good as everyone thinks he is, Southgate would have started him. You think even someone as questionable as Southgate is leaving a true genius out of the side? Especially one that is not that young anymore?

This is not to say that he is not good, obviously he is. But he's not Yamal.
 
Whether Southgate is shite or not is not the point. If Palmer was as good as everyone thinks he is, Southgate would have started him. You think even someone as questionable as Southgate is leaving a true genius out of the side? Especially one that is not that young anymore?

This is not to say that he is not good, obviously he is. But he's not Yamal.

Not that young? He's 22. Just because Yamal is 17 and doing incredible things let's not be silly and pretend 22 isn't that young!

Yes, it is the point. Southgate over the period of his tenure was known for picking his favourites and absolutely not trying to change things if it worked before. Look at how much he played Kane despite him being trash all tournament and taking Luke Shaw to the Euros despite not being able to play until the very late stages. Palmer not being started by Southgate is not a valid picking on point, especially as when Palmer did come on in the games, he got the assist for Watkins against NL and he scored against Spain in the final.
 
I mean, he probably would, because Lamine Yamal better than Saka. And I think Saka is a really good player. Yamal is also better than Palmer, which is the point.

Why wouldn't Southgate start him? He started Mainoo, in a position that is more difficult for a very young player than the wing. I know Mainoo is older, but it's still a risk.
He's obviously better than Saka but Palmer has more goal contributions than even Haaland since the start of last season. Most in the world. In a tougher league and weaker team than Yamal.

Southgate only started Mainoo because he had no options for that role. His trusted players like Henderson are not even playing in the top 5 leagues anymore. It's well known that Southgate has his favourites that he likes to start regardless of merit.
 
I don't think Lamine Yamal is particularly advanced in his game IQ, poise, whatever else, etc

He reminds of Messi because he's that good. Like Messi, he looks like a 25 year old playing against a bunch of 10 year olds out there. It's not that he's smart, he's just so much better than everyone he comes up against that whatever he decides to do works. Every decision he makes becomes the right decision

And yeah i'm exaggerating, of course, but he's 17
He’s methodical to a “fault” constantly probing and testing his side of the defence, rarely overdoing it or becoming preoccupied with a single facet (i.e. Musiala’s dribble matrixes or Bellingham’s hero mode etc.) instead constantly working to find whatever exploit that enables him to hurt the opposition: taking on the dribble when it’s the optimal thing to do; passing early or using himself as a decoy or setting up the combination play; crossing early or buying time to hit what he wants late etc. etc. I don’t get where you’re coming from because it shows exceptional intelligence to play that way and to have the composure and innate understanding of when and why you do the things that he does.

Unlike others in this 16-17 phenomenon bracket, he is not using some godly physical advantages to assist him, in fact, it’s hard to determine what kind of physical attributes he’ll have in 5 years. I don’t think it becomes the right decision; it was the right decision, which is my point. That’s why I say he plays like he’s 27, in the generic prime years for most and that it looks like he’s a veteran with 100’s of top level games under his belt. Even if he stayed just the way he is now, he’s a perennial ballon candidate and it’s not because he’s wooing people with one particular skill, rather his game as a whole is ridiculous.
 
Whether Southgate is shite or not is not the point. If Palmer was as good as everyone thinks he is, Southgate would have started him. You think even someone as questionable as Southgate is leaving a true genius out of the side? Especially one that is not that young anymore?

This is not to say that he is not good, obviously he is. But he's not Yamal.
Seems you don’t know about Southgate and just how appalling a handler of talent he is.
 
Like Southgate would start Lamine over Saka for England in the Euros. :lol:


The Southgate factor cannot be ignored. The Spanish National Team setup is very different.


Whenever Palmer got some minutes in the Euros, he showed up more than any other England player.

Palmer didn't show up more than any other England player. Saka was their best player in that tournament and showed up in every game, as a starter.
 
He’s methodical to a “fault” constantly probing and testing his side of the defence, rarely overdoing it or becoming preoccupied with a single facet (i.e. Musiala’s dribble matrixes or Bellingham’s hero mode etc.) instead constantly working to find whatever exploit that enables him to hurt the opposition: taking on the dribble when it’s the optimal thing to do; passing early or using himself as a decoy or setting up the combination play; crossing early or buying time to hit what he wants late etc. etc. I don’t get where you’re coming from because it shows exceptional intelligence to play that way and to have the composure and innate understanding of when and why you do the things that he does.
To me, that comes across more like a guy who just found out he has superpowers and is just testing his limits :lol: I wouldn't say he's methodical so much as going through his options to see what works best
Unlike others in this 16-17 phenomenon bracket, he is not using some godly physical advantages to assist him, in fact, it’s hard to determine what kind of physical attributes he’ll have in 5 years.
he has exceptional agility/lateral quickness, balance and acceleration/deceleration. Like Messi
 
Like Southgate would start Lamine over Saka for England in the Euros. :lol:


The Southgate factor cannot be ignored. The Spanish National Team setup is very different.


Whenever Palmer got some minutes in the Euros, he showed up more than any other England player.
I think you edited your post to put the bit about Saka and I don't know why you think it's funny to suggest that Southgate would start Yamal in this England team. The reason why Yamal starts for Spain at his age is that he was performing for Barcelona, one of the biggest and most storied and legendary clubs in the world. It's not the same as playing well for Chelsea or Arsenal. The English equivalent of Yamal would be starring for a Liverpool, or a United that wasn't total trash (and I don't think even those clubs are on Barcelona's level, personally, but that's my bias). I'm pretty sure that would get Southgate's attention.

EDIT: My bad, you probably didn't edit, I just missed it the first time.
 
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