Lamine Yamal

A new Messi is too much to ask. If he can reach prime Neymar's level that would be awesome.

He's no where near Messi tbh. Watch Messi at 18/19. He didn't have the productivity yet but the sheer ability to absolutely wreck through teams was incredible. His dribbling was quite literally the best since Maradona and his overall game was a fraction away from what we came to know in the end. Yamal is great and he has the talent to be an all timer but I feel like Neymar is a more apt comparison.

He doesn't have to be new Messi in every aspect of the comparison, but already at just turning 18th birthday he was voted second best player in the world, and even if you don't believe in Ballon d'Or voting he is still easily top10 players in the world in last two years, probably closer to top5 too. He is also very similar to Messi that he likes to play on the right, likes to use his fullback, dribbling is very similar, excellent in tight space, etc. Neymar comparision is also very good, but then Neymar was never this good in tight space, especially with, in most of these situations he would end up on floor or returned the ball to his defender. Neymar was very good when he would receive the ball when running directly at defenders.

At this age only sky is the limit, but for me it looks like he is certain to win few Ballon d'Ors along the way.
 
I don't agree with the overhyping in the sense that the talent is quite obvious and not very dependent of physical attributes unlike say Mbappe. Only severe injuries or complete loss of focus can derail him.

The only part i do agree with is that La liga and indeed football in general has greatly regressed compared to the previous times both in attack and defence. For instance this Atletico defence is nowhere near even what it was 5 -10 years ago. There is no senior player who can claim to be outright player in the world; when Messi started playing, there was Ronaldinho, Henry, Etoo, Kaka, Schevshenko etc. No equivalents currently. He is therefore a strong candidate for bpitw title.

His talent is phenomenal but he's still an "almost" player in too many games in my opinion. Almost the goal, of the year, almost the pass of the century, almost a perfect performance (but his team looses)... I also have the feeling that he sometimes decides to go for the flashy move (especially when he tries to score) when players like Messi were only concerned about efficiency.

Very exciting player indeed, probably on par with Neymar in terms of raw talent (which is absolutely huge), lets just hope he doesn't end up like him.
 
Nothing wrong with Neymar. Honestly think we're going to have to desensitise ourselves from the expectation that unless a player reaches Messi standards they're somehow a flop. 223 goals in Europe over 10 seasons, 7 league titles, a European Cup, domestic cup competitions. Discounting what he did in Brazil's league. If he ends up like Neymar he'd have had a highly successful career.
 
Similar to yamal, mbappe is a worthy player to live up to the best player in the world tag. He was great for a lot of this season. I think yamal will be better, but some of the things mbappe does are incredible. If they turn out like suarez, Ronaldo or neymar then that is very impressive.
 
His talent is phenomenal but he's still an "almost" player in too many games in my opinion. Almost the goal, of the year, almost the pass of the century, almost a perfect performance (but his team looses)... I also have the feeling that he sometimes decides to go for the flashy move (especially when he tries to score) when players like Messi were only concerned about efficiency.

Very exciting player indeed, probably on par with Neymar in terms of raw talent (which is absolutely huge), lets just hope he doesn't end up like him.
He's still only 18.

We'll have a better idea of his talent in 3 years maybe.

Hope he doesn't get burned out or injury prone.

He'll have played nearly 200 senior games before turning 19. That's too much.
 
Messi was more consistent with his through balls and lofted passes from a smaller range of positions and angles; misplacing or overhitting passes was very rare for him; but he was never as dangerous in as many situations as Yamal. In the situation in the first video, Messi would likely start running with the ball; his vision and passing skills became ridiculously overrated.
If i was comparing the two players at a similar age:
I think Messi was more explosive and did things at warp speed and his ability to find the corners of the goal even then was far superior to anyone i have ever seen.
Yamal's decision making at 18 is better; something expected given the number of games he has already played.
His talent is phenomenal but he's still an "almost" player in too many games in my opinion. Almost the goal, of the year, almost the pass of the century, almost a perfect performance (but his team looses)... I also have the feeling that he sometimes decides to go for the flashy move (especially when he tries to score) when players like Messi were only concerned about efficiency.

Very exciting player indeed, probably on par with Neymar in terms of raw talent (which is absolutely huge), lets just hope he doesn't end up like him.
Very similar to Neymar except that while he does try to be flashy, he doesn't try to humiliate opponents with sombreros amongst other tricks.
Similar to yamal, mbappe is a worthy player to live up to the best player in the world tag. He was great for a lot of this season. I think yamal will be better, but some of the things mbappe does are incredible. If they turn out like suarez, Ronaldo or neymar then that is very impressive.
Mbappe imo has regressed abit.
 
He's still only 18.

We'll have a better idea of his talent in 3 years maybe.

Hope he doesn't get burned out or injury prone.

He'll have played nearly 200 senior games before turning 19. That's too much.

Of course, his career can still go in many different ways, my comment was only about this season and not a predicton about his prime level. Nobody knows, it's too hard to predict even if the amount of games he plays is concerning in the long term.
 
I am not going to make classic Messi comparison, as trajectories are not linear and not same for all players, however Messi at 18 was not what Yamal is.

Of course, Yamal isn't going to explode that dramatically over the course of the next few years and it isn't my point anyway, but that aside, regardless of the number of games he has played already, there are still certain things that come with age.

So yes, he could polish many things about his game much further, which is to be expected of every 18 year old, regardless of how specific case Lamine is.
 
Mbappe is the best player in the world for me, but Yamal is a very close second. If/when he adds more goals and assists to his game, then he will likely be #1 but right now Mbappe is the complete package; rapid, can create something out of nothing, already has a WC win and one of the all time great WC final performances and he puts up unreal numbers.
 
Mbappe is the best player in the world for me, but Yamal is a very close second. If/when he adds more goals and assists to his game, then he will likely be #1 but right now Mbappe is the complete package; rapid, can create something out of nothing, already has a WC win and one of the all time great WC final performances and he puts up unreal numbers.
What you described is more accomplished player though, not neccesarily better. In direct comparison, since they both play in La Liga, Lamine has won one title with Barcelona and is almost certain to go 2/2, while Mbappe for all his goals has still not managed to lead Real Madrid to something of importance.

Yes, football is much more complex than what I described, but I don't think pointing to Mbappe's World Cup win eight years ago proves he is better player than Yamal is now.

Not to say that Yamal has way more to his game than Kylian. It is much like comparing Messi and Ronaldo, actually.
 
What you described is more accomplished player though, not neccesarily better. In direct comparison, since they both play in La Liga, Lamine has won one title with Barcelona and is almost certain to go 2/2, while Mbappe for all his goals has still not managed to lead Real Madrid to something of importance.

Yes, football is much more complex than what I described, but I don't think pointing to Mbappe's World Cup win eight years ago proves he is better player than Yamal is now.

Not to say that Yamal has way more to his game than Kylian. It is much like comparing Messi and Ronaldo, actually.
Well of course yes, but there’s no guarantee that Yamal will be as accomplished as Mbappe in a few years. Also the WC win is relevant, since Mbappe was much younger then.

Right now Lamine is the most entertaining and eye catching player in the world but Mbappe is still the best IMO.
 
Well of course yes, but there’s no guarantee that Yamal will be as accomplished as Mbappe in a few years. Also the WC win is relevant, since Mbappe was much younger then.

Right now Lamine is the most entertaining and eye catching player in the world but Mbappe is still the best IMO.
I think they are the two top players in the world. While I really appreciate Mbappe's dynamism, I'd argue that Yamal is better right now.

You made the argument re goals and assists - I'm not a fan of reducing things to that, but if you isolate those stats in La Liga this season, Mbappe has 23 goals and 4 assists, and Yamal has 14 goals and 10 assists. So the difference in goal contributions is just 3. In all comps, it is 44 G/A for Mbappe and 37 for Yamal, so a bit bigger gap of 7, but basically not a vast difference. And of course, Mbappe plays as a 9, so he is going to get more goals anyway.

When you factor in everything else - Yamal creates a lot more chances, creates a lot more big chances, has way more key passes, has way more passes in the final third, has way more completed dribbles, etc. etc., then I think he can be argued as being better overall.

What you said about the World Cup is relevant, but not strictly decisive right now due to being 8 years ago (or even 4 years ago, if you want to bring up Mbappe's great performance in the 2022 final - it's laughable to remember that Yamal was still only 15 years old then).

And it's not as if Yamal has never done anything on the international stage, so it's even less of a factor, IMO.
 
We need to get back to just simply celebrating and enjoying these exciting talents, the internet has turned everything into endless comparisons and stat competitions. The fun of this sport is just eroding away.
 
His talent is phenomenal but he's still an "almost" player in too many games in my opinion. Almost the goal, of the year, almost the pass of the century, almost a perfect performance (but his team looses)... I also have the feeling that he sometimes decides to go for the flashy move (especially when he tries to score) when players like Messi were only concerned about efficiency.

Very exciting player indeed, probably on par with Neymar in terms of raw talent (which is absolutely huge), lets just hope he doesn't end up like him.
In other words, you mean a jack of all trades but master of none?
 
His talent is phenomenal but he's still an "almost" player in too many games in my opinion. Almost the goal, of the year, almost the pass of the century, almost a perfect performance (but his team looses)... I also have the feeling that he sometimes decides to go for the flashy move (especially when he tries to score) when players like Messi were only concerned about efficiency.

Very exciting player indeed, probably on par with Neymar in terms of raw talent (which is absolutely huge), lets just hope he doesn't end up like him.
If he 'ends up' like Neymar, he would have:

30+ trophies

450 goals

250 assists

Spain's all time leading national team scorer

The second most international goals ever scored by a European player

Spain's all time leading scorer in the Champions League

Spain's all time leading assist provider in the Champions League

Most assists all time in international football (or second most).

Not to mention a whole generation of kid phenom footballers trying to copy him.

Sounds pretty good to me.

I think Messi and Ronaldo have clouded people's judgment when it comes to football careers. Their work is alien, once (or twice) in a lifetime stuff. By any human metric, Neymar has had a fantastic career.

When people say 'I hope young talented player x doesn't end up like talented player y,' they're usually talking about people like Ben Arfa, Ballotelli or Cassano as the cautionary tale, not someone who scored 100+ goals in 3 different leagues.
 
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I am not going to make classic Messi comparison, as trajectories are not linear and not same for all players, however Messi at 18 was not what Yamal is.

Of course, Yamal isn't going to explode that dramatically over the course of the next few years and it isn't my point anyway, but that aside, regardless of the number of games he has played already, there are still certain things that come with age.

So yes, he could polish many things about his game much further, which is to be expected of every 18 year old, regardless of how specific case Lamine is.
Ofcourss Messi wasn't what Yamal is at 18 because he played much less not because he wasn't good but rather due to injuries, registeration issues and Barcelona not really needing to risk him at ypung age given they had Ronaldinho and were doing very well. When he did play, he was brilliant. Some games like vs Udinese, vs Real Madrid, vs Chelsea come to mind.
 
In other words, you mean a jack of all trades but master of none?
Not exactly, but I mean the is efficency isn't really on par with the hype yet. When your hear the pundits in France, you often have the feeling he scores 3 goals and gives 4 assists every game only to realize he only gave a couple of pretty trivelas that weren't converted in goals.

If he 'ends up' like Neymar, he would have:

30+ trophies

450 goals

250 assists

Spain's all time leading national team scorer

The second most international goals ever scored by a European player

Spain's all time leading scorer in the Champions League

Spain's all time leading assist provider in the Champions League

Most assists all time in international football (or second most).

Not to mention a whole generation of kid phenom footballers trying to copy him.

Sounds pretty good to me.

I think Messi and Ronaldo have clouded people's judgment when it comes to football careers. Their work is alien, once (or twice) in a lifetime stuff. By any human metric, Neymar has had a fantastic career.

When people say 'I hope young talented player x doesn't end up like talented player y,' they're usually talking about people like Ben Arfa, Ballotelli or Cassano as the cautionary tale, not someone who scored 100+ goals in 3 different leagues.

Neymar had the talent to be even more than that. It was heartbreaking for me to see how his career derailed after the injuries, he had the potentiel to be an all time great.

Yamal's raw talent is comparable to Neymar's at the same age (even if they're different players obviously). Doesn't mean his trajectory will be the same though.
 
I think the biggest worries for Yamal are: [too much] growth; injuries; being overplayed (potential burnout); off field distractions and the final one being mental fatigue/collapse.

I notice he’s had a growth spurt; if he gets too tall he will have to modify his game and that would be a shame as honing what he is/has now would be optimal.

What I always say in here that stands out so much with him compared to any other young genius is the lethality without even having to beat his markers - guy can drop it inch perfect around players trying to contain him. Reminds me of Beckham in particular for the fact you have to try and close him down before he looks up and picks out a mark to pass to, but unlike Beckham, Yamal just dances past the attempted challenge and finds himself in acres of space. It’s mesmeric and unique.

There’s no real way to contain that when he’s on form, but the fear it engenders in opponents is a fun watch and leads to those majestic performances in the biggest games as you can clearly see opposing managers earmark the kid as an immediate threat to try and contain generally leading to yellows and reds for those assigned with the task of containing him.
 
Not exactly, but I mean the is efficency isn't really on par with the hype yet. When your hear the pundits in France, you often have the feeling he scores 3 goals and gives 4 assists every game only to realize he only gave a couple of pretty trivelas that weren't converted in goals.



Neymar had the talent to be even more than that. It was heartbreaking for me to see how his career derailed after the injuries, he had the potentiel to be an all time great.

Yamal's raw talent is comparable to Neymar's at the same age (even if they're different players obviously). Doesn't mean his trajectory will be the same though.
A great performance doesn't necessarily need to have any goals or assists. The French pundits you reference are likely watching the games, and when you watch the games, you don't necessarily have to see G/A in the 'box score' to know that a player had an awesome performance. This recent match v A. Madrid is a case in point.

Re Neymar being an all time great, I'm not sure what your definition of that is, but he's certainly one of the best players I've ever seen.
 
I don't know if I'm underestimating Neymar or SA but I don't remember Neymar being anywhere near as good as Lamine Yamal at 18

Even Messi wasn't as good, either (though the caveat here is that he very obviously just needed enough reps to develop his skillset and then he'd become Maradona Mk 2)

Only 18 year old I've seen comparable to his level was Ronaldo
 
Rather than ask if he will be another Messi, perhaps the more interesting question is

Will he go on to become Spains best ever player? That in itself would be an incredible feat.
 
If he 'ends up' like Neymar, he would have:

30+ trophies

450 goals

250 assists

Spain's all time leading national team scorer

The second most international goals ever scored by a European player

Spain's all time leading scorer in the Champions League

Spain's all time leading assist provider in the Champions League

Most assists all time in international football (or second most).

Not to mention a whole generation of kid phenom footballers trying to copy him.

Sounds pretty good to me.

I think Messi and Ronaldo have clouded people's judgment when it comes to football careers. Their work is alien, once (or twice) in a lifetime stuff. By any human metric, Neymar has had a fantastic career.

When people say 'I hope young talented player x doesn't end up like talented player y,' they're usually talking about people like Ben Arfa, Ballotelli or Cassano as the cautionary tale, not someone who scored 100+ goals in 3 different leagues.
For me while Cristiano is one of the greatest ever, his greatness is not based on pure talent but rather his goals, longevity and success. It never felt like watching a footballing genius.
I don't know if I'm underestimating Neymar or SA but I don't remember Neymar being anywhere near as good as Lamine Yamal at 18

Even Messi wasn't as good, either (though the caveat here is that he very obviously just needed enough reps to develop his skillset and then he'd become Maradona Mk 2)

Only 18 year old I've seen comparable to his level was Ronaldo
I did not see much of Neymar at 18. R9 was in the dutch league at 18. Messi played much less and was injured quite alot. The best age to compare them would be at 19 when R9 was in Spain, Messi played more frequently although he did get injured again.
 
Imagine going from Ronaldinho to Messi to Yamal...

The depressing part is we went from Beckham to Ronaldo to {oops}
 
I don't know if I'm underestimating Neymar or SA but I don't remember Neymar being anywhere near as good as Lamine Yamal at 18

Even Messi wasn't as good, either (though the caveat here is that he very obviously just needed enough reps to develop his skillset and then he'd become Maradona Mk 2)

Only 18 year old I've seen comparable to his level was Ronaldo

For me at this point.

Many are underrating Neymar.

Same with Messi.

PD: As a side note, Messi always looked to me like some Zico MK2 with a V12.

In terms of actually see the player and the exposure, I can get that, but historically like the mentioned R9, he is not alone there, there have been a number of really special players at these ages (from 16 to 20).

The age thing it's sthg that has been a tad overplayed, even nowadays even in an strict age sense, at times he is talked like he's still 16 while he is a couple of months to be 19.
On that general sense of being among 16 to 20, in other periods of the game, other extraordinary players couldn't get such exposure due to multiple reasons (and I'm thinking from Pele, Di Stefano, Sivori to even more recent normal fellas like Aguero at 16). The reasons are varied, from not being a global world, to not be be involved in a huge team in disarray that forces your incoporporation, and a large etc.
On the other hand the capability of Yamal to seize that oportunity in such form it's clearly not overlooked and shouldn't, the fvcker it's fantastic and trully special, even if he retires tomorrow he already had a very good carreer.
Yet on the other hand, he already showed quite a number of bad games in terms of level and decision making (his best asset when he showed himself at first) that tend to be overlooked, that shouldn't even be necessary to be mentioned, since hell, any player has those and he is a kid. Yet since at this point it seems some people it's ready to jump in a narrative where if some injury ends his carreer tomorrow it's a shame because he would have clearly become the best player ever without that injury, creates an scenario that perhaps those bad games should be more noticed.


Rather than ask if he will be another Messi, perhaps the more interesting question is

Will he go on to become Spains best ever player? That in itself would be an incredible feat.


To be the best ever player for any Nation with tradition it's an increidble feat (actually I'm not really that fond of these ONLY ONE BEST stuff on any sport). Yet playing this GOAT game, he has a better chance to be consider that due to in part his current almost impecable timing, yet MOSTLY because of his BIOTYPE, role and style.
I feel he won't need for many people to have the succees of Xavi and such had in terms of titles to be considered the best.
Spain has not been prone to create this type of players in a GOAT alike version. The closer for them is Luis Suarez, that could be argue was in such Goat like type during his days (quite forgotten and underrated player), other el Buitre (fantastic player from the 80's, that deserves more recognition too) yet on a lesser level than Luis and finally in a more secondary role, without the pace, without the power required in this echelon and the level of ability required to operate in such pace, the wonderful Iniesta.

So the thing that plays a big part of him in the future if he continues to have a great carreer to be considered in such realm would be his characteristics as a player, way more in a country that does not tend to produce that type historically.
 
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Burnout should be less of a risk these days with sports science and all that stuff. You'd hope players are following strict rules and routines over eating, sleeping, recovering and all the rest of it where it's managed better than it would have been a few years go. To the point where if it becomes an issue then the problem isn't going to be the number of games they've played but the amount of cigarettes, pizzas, sleepless nights and alcohol they've had over that period.

Development is also important. If you're developing as a player you should be improving and streamlining how you play the game to do the same thing you could at 17 when you're 20 but do it better and more efficiently. That can help ward off burnout. Not saying it isn't a thing but I think was more of a concern when players were left to their own devices away from the training ground rather than what we see now.

Yamal's partying could well be the issue that does cause problems down the line but it won't be because of how many games he's played by itself, it'll be because of the number of games plus making very unwise life choices.
 
How about waiting until he got a big trophy (Champions League or World Cup) this season first?
Isn't this the Messi argument all over again, that he's the best player regardless?

It'll definitely come down to the end of season and the majors, but until now he should be the frontr unner.
 
Isn't this the Messi argument all over again, that he's the best player regardless?

It'll definitely come down to the end of season and the majors, but until now he should be the frontr unner.
The ballon d'Or criteria changes year after year so who knows, but I agree with you. A few games in the summer shouldn't dictate an entire season, otherwise you end up with a farce like Cannavaro winning the award.
 
Harry Kane will win it when he carries his brave German boys to the CL with a clinical dismantling of Arsenal, and then our brave English boys win the world cup.
 
Nothing against his technical ability but his PR is next level insane. Don't know how on earth he made it to the CL TOTW ahead of Olise after his team lost 2-0 at home.
 
Only saw highlights but he seemed pretty electric in the CL. OK he didn't contribute to a goal but it wasn't through lack of trying. His dribbling was insane
 
Isn't this the Messi argument all over again, that he's the best player regardless?

It'll definitely come down to the end of season and the majors, but until now he should be the frontr unner.
Yeah but Messi’s numbers and general play were both other worldly. With Yamal he’s starting to separate himself from others in terms of individual quality but has loads to work on (makes sense given he’s only 18) and isn’t an outlier in terms of productivity - Kane, Mbappe, Olise, Haaland etc are equals if not better in this regard (especially Kane)
 
Yeah but Messi’s numbers and general play were both other worldly. With Yamal he’s starting to separate himself from others in terms of individual quality but has loads to work on (makes sense given he’s only 18) and isn’t an outlier in terms of productivity - Kane, Mbappe, Olise, Haaland etc are equals if not better in this regard (especially Kane)
I see the point because Messi wasn’t just the best technically, but his productivity was insane and Yamal doesn’t yet have the degree of separation from that POV.

Olise, Kane and Mbappe are his direct opponents, for my money. Haaland would have to be multiple times more productive than them to be in contention because technically, they are on another level - I have no qualms with any of those players and highly rate Olise, but Yamal, to me, operates at a special level most times I watch him - that kind of “no-brainer” level where if he keeps it up, he’s the guy(kid) to outdo.
 
Nothing against his technical ability but his PR is next level insane. Don't know how on earth he made it to the CL TOTW ahead of Olise after his team lost 2-0 at home.

Pretty much, a lot of it is because there's so few flair players now. The ones left get more attention.

He reminds me of Ben Arfa, but Yamal is playing in a team that's way more dominant financially. 9/10 games they play are against minnows and Flick plays an ultra attacking style of football.
 
Harry Kane will win it when he carries his brave German boys to the CL with a clinical dismantling of Arsenal, and then our brave English boys win the world cup.
Yeah if he wins both Champions League and World Cup, then Harry Kane makes a serious case for himself.
 
He's still only 18.

We'll have a better idea of his talent in 3 years maybe.

Hope he doesn't get burned out or injury prone.

He'll have played nearly 200 senior games before turning 19. That's too much.
That's a hell of a stat. I'm too lazy to compare it to the likes of Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney to see how it compares though.
 
Kane has 49 goals and 5 assists in 41 games so far apparently. I know it's a kick and rush league but he's still the main contender for the Balloon d'Or with those numbers.