Lamine Yamal

Eddy_JukeZ said:
Played some incredible passes that should have been converted
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The thing it's that he should have played better when Aleti finally got their defensive act together. He was really great when Aleti was gifting chance after chance.

Fermin was really great, Griezzmann too.
 
Fobal said:
The thing it's that he should have played better when Aleti finally got their defensive act together. He was really great when Aleti was gifting chance after chance.

Fermin was really great, Griezzmann too.
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Potentially, but he did set up a dangerous chance for Olmo in that crowded penalty area.

If more of his passes got converted in the 1st half, people praise him throughout the media. Fine margins.

I thought he was easily the best player across both legs.
 
What was interesting was watching him operate centrally for periods of the game.

He'll move there permanently eventually, but to be able to perform like that at his age is an incredibly rare thing.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Potentially, but he did set up a dangerous chance for Olmo in that crowded penalty area.

If more of his passes got converted in the 1st half, people praise him throughout the media. Fine margins.

I thought he was easily the best player across both legs.
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People praising him it's not sthg Yamal will lack support at all. What I've meant it's that he was great in those first minutes, but also Aleti was histerically BAD without any sort of extra help by Barca, the goal itself was a ridiculous gift

Later for me he still was the best Barca player, (Ferran started to loose also that great first minutes intensity) but he couldn't make too much dammage and not even finding that space to shoot, like Fortitude said, he dropped back, but Aleti by that time was more calm and more cynic after scoring and him and the rest of Barca find it hard to overcome the situation. Pedri is the one that is far from his best level and of course Raphina again shows how much more respect he deserved.

The first match for me he was a tad over the top with his decision making (being nitpicking), yet a constant menace and closer to the rival's goal.
 
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He was easily the best player across the two legs but he does need to start trusting players more with passes, especially towards the end of the match where he was trying to take on everyone on his own. Ferran and Co also need to stop wasting his assists.
 
I think he’s quite comfortably the best player in the world to be honest, to be playing the way he is at 18 is mind boggling
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Potentially, but he did set up a dangerous chance for Olmo in that crowded penalty area.

If more of his passes got converted in the 1st half, people praise him throughout the media. Fine margins.

I thought he was easily the best player across both legs.
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Yeah he was a source of danger for Barcelona, with the pressure on them. They didnt quite go over the line but anyone insinuating he didnt play well is just disingenuous.
 
FriedClams said:
I think he’s quite comfortably the best player in the world to be honest, to be playing the way he is at 18 is mind boggling
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Mbappe for me, but yeah Yamal is up there with him. Those 2 definitely far ahead of the rest for natural talent & effectiveness.
 
bosnian_red said:
Mbappe for me, but yeah Yamal is up there with him. Those 2 definitely far ahead of the rest for natural talent & effectiveness.
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Yamal is easily better and more talented than any version of Mbappe. Mbappe has actually regressed in his allround game (see 3rd paragraph).

For me, others may win the ballond'or due to success in big competitions but like Messi during his time in Europe, in this era, the default bpitw is Yamal. This is Yamal's era.

Having said that, i think Yamal is already in his peak years because of the number of games he has already played and as he continues, the toll that is going to take on his body over the next few years means maybe we see another 3-4 seasons at his absolute best. Thereafter, whether it is a gradual or rapid decline will depend on his lifestyle, injuries and desire. Mbappe's and Rooney's peaks were quite early too.
 
Spoke a bit too much / loudly before the game.

Barca under Flick are just too caviller in attack. It helps their attackers look better but makes their defence look like trash (not that it’s great). They’d fair better in these knockout games not playing the whole game as if attackers are the only players that matter.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Spoke a bit too much / loudly before the game.

Barca under Flick are just too caviller in attack. It helps their attackers look better but makes their defence look like trash (not that it’s great). They’d fair better in these knockout games not playing the whole game as if attackers are the only players that matter.
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Exactly this, if they played higher quality opponents week in week out, this style wouldn't work. They'd concede too many goals and the team would lose all their confidence.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Spoke a bit too much / loudly before the game.

Barca under Flick are just too caviller in attack. It helps their attackers look better but makes their defence look like trash (not that it’s great). They’d fair better in these knockout games not playing the whole game as if attackers are the only players that matter.
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Yeah, their footballs a little too kamikaze for this level knockout ties and they don’t 100% have the personnel (physically anyway) for it - not in defence (especially at CB) or in midfield.
 
wr8_utd said:
He was easily the best player across the two legs but he does need to start trusting players more with passes, especially towards the end of the match where he was trying to take on everyone on his own. Ferran and Co also need to stop wasting his assists.
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He reminded me a bit of starfish in the second half of slipgate.
 
Fortitude said:
What was interesting was watching him operate centrally for periods of the game.

He'll move there permanently eventually, but to be able to perform like that at his age is an incredibly rare thing.
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Age is just a number. The number of senior proffessional matches played matters more imo because of experience, confidence and physical maturity gained. You can look at any players career trajectory including Yamal's. When most players start off, they are raw, confidence may not be as high, and they are usually physically not at optimum. Over a season or two all these weaknesses are ironed out (for those who eventually succeed) due to the demands when playing against professional footballers rather than in the academy.

There are outliers interms of physical build like Rooney and Mbappe.
 
Seeing he may have torn his hammy. They need to give us 40m asap for Rashford to help carry the load.
 
Is this going to be yet another case of Barca burning out a young player and screwing up their career?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Is this going to be yet another case of Barca burning out a young player and screwing up their career?
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Yes probably, but it's not just Barca.

We're now decimated by muscle injuries after playing in the CWC and having no break last summer pretty much. Estevao played to semis and now out with a grade 4 hamstring till next season. We'll see how bad Yamals is.

The football calendar is now way too bloated with meaningless games, especially the CL. It's got to change or teams got to start playing their reserves in the cups so first team doesn't get decimated.
 
I hope he’s ready for the World Cup at least. And just because he’s ended up with an injury doesn’t necessarily mean he’s being overused or burned out. Players get injuries, if it becomes a repeating pattern then I think that’s when they’ll need to look a bit more closely about the number of games he’s playing and the frequency of them.
 
The thing is, if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. That’s why I never really understand when people want young players to have their minutes drastically reduced just because they’re young. It doesn’t make sense to be as good as Yamal is and not be playing all the time. It’s counterproductive even. If he’s already so good, then playing less doesn’t really help him.
 
Mb194dc said:
Yes probably, but it's not just Barca.

We're now decimated by muscle injuries after playing in the CWC and having no break last summer pretty much. Estevao played to semis and now out with a grade 4 hamstring till next season. We'll see how bad Yamals is.

The football calendar is now way too bloated with meaningless games, especially the CL. It's got to change or teams got to start playing their reserves in the cups so first team doesn't get decimated.
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Barcelona have not specified the grade of hamstring injury. I feel like some secrecy might be going on here.
 
MrEleson said:
The thing is, if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. That’s why I never really understand when people want young players to have their minutes drastically reduced just because they’re young. It doesn’t make sense to be as good as Yamal is and not be playing all the time. It’s counterproductive even. If he’s already so good, then playing less doesn’t really help him.
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Is there not more of a risk with overplaying kids at 16 and 17 while they’re still physically developing and growing? Talent wise yeah, you need to give minutes to players if they’re good enough to do the business.
 
MrEleson said:
The thing is, if you’re good enough, you’re old enough.
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No you're not. There are studies being conducted into this but so far the early findings suggest you absolutely don't want players getting a ton of minutes before their 20s as that massively increases the risk of injury + consistent injury issues across the rest of the career
 
giorno said:
No you're not. There are studies being conducted into this but so far the early findings suggest you absolutely don't want players getting a ton of minutes before their 20s as that massively increases the risk of injury + consistent injury issues across the rest of the career
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So if Yamal is already the best player in his team, you just don’t play him because he’s young?
 
Joel Miller said:
Is there not more of a risk with overplaying kids at 16 and 17 while they’re still physically developing and growing? Talent wise yeah, you need to give minutes to players if they’re good enough to do the business.
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I get managing the minutes of young players but I think if one is clearly already one of the best in the world. Playing 40+ games a season would benefit the team and the player more with the caveat that he’s well managed and rested when needed etc.
 
MrEleson said:
So if Yamal is already the best player in his team, you just don’t play him because he’s young?
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If you want to reduce the risk of injuries and potential shortening of his career, you put him on a strict minutes restriction

Which is what Barcelona did at first, before deciding winning titles now was more important than protecting Lamine's career
 
giorno said:
If you want to reduce the risk of injuries and potential shortening of his career, you put him on a strict minutes restriction

Which is what Barcelona did at first, before deciding winning titles now was more important than protecting Lamine's career
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Yeh fair enough. I think it wouldn’t be so bad for him featuring in most games if he was subbed often and maybe skipped some of the dead rubber games that Flick still insists on playing him in…kinda like how Ronaldo’s minutes was managed by Sir Alex in his first few seasons. He was clearly the starting RW but often got subbed when the game was won and rested for the dead rubber. Still featured in over 40+ games.
 
Erhm, what exactly are you trying to say? He clearly was waving Palestinian flag last night.
 
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