He's right though aguero has ups and downs goalscoring wise at Atleti till his final season where he got much closer to the finished article we've seen at City
Lautaro Martínez
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Don't wanna buy him purely because of that awful music in the OP's video link.
But seriously, let's see if Inter wanna do business, he looks pretty damn good.
But seriously, let's see if Inter wanna do business, he looks pretty damn good.
He's a decent striker but that ship sailed once he went to Inter. He would cost us a bomb at this point in time. If we truly believe that Rashy/Martial are talented no 9 + Greenwood represent the future then we have to sign a striker who brings something different to the table to them. He must also be keen to accept the bench as well. I'd say Haaland is the guy we should be looking at.
Forlan was two time Pichichi winner in Spain and was consistently relied on to carry the team. Forlan's career in Spain is hugely underrated IMO. Aguero was cemented to be a future great but he was inconsistent and still pretty raw.
1 goal in 2.3 games isn't exactly the hallmark of consistency. His five seasons with Atletico was pretty similar to Rooney who had 97 goals in his first five seaons for us. Both were streaky and pretty inconsistent in their finishing.
He is similiar to maybe someone like Quagliarella or Di Natale. Suarez is a different player as well.
At 19 he was fecking up chances, I know because I watched it. At 22 sure he was better, but the point is that he wasnt as good as he became.
Eeeeh. At this point they're each similar to each other and also they're not similar at all
They're all striker. They all have certain similarities and also differences....Lautaro is similar to Aguero in that he kinda resembles him physically, in the way he moves, but as i've mentioned already, when you look closer he's not really all that similar at all. Same story with Aguero and Romario
Suarez does not resemble the others much in his movements. Nor physically(beyond being very strong and powerful with great balance and agility)
Correct.
Inter will ask for 300 million for him from us after what we did to them with Lukaku 
So we should low ball them with an offer of 5m + Jones as they did to us.Inter will ask for 300 million for him from us after what we did to them with Lukaku
We might be better off making a bid for Gabriel who has 19 goals so far this season on loan at Flamengo, 7 goals clear of 2nd place.Inter will ask for 300 million for him from us after what we did to them with Lukaku
With Lukaku and Lautaro they dont need him
Perhaps not the perfect place to talk about this, but considering people were asking where Lautaro was found
I think the Superliga in Argentina is a very good market for us and other clubs to look at. When compared to Brazil for example, the young players doing well there are sold at around £30-40 million each which is a hefty amount for not so proven players. de Arrascaeta, Rodrigo and Reiner from Flamengo, Jean Pyerre and Everton from Gremio and Antony from Sao Paulo all look good players in the making but perhaps the prices will be set around the money paid for Neymar, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Lucas Moura or Paqueta - all costing from £33 million to £76 million
Meanwhile here are the highest transfers paid in Argentina :
A much lower price. Just below and off the list is Lo Celso who PSG bought for 10 million euros and sold to Betis for over double, then went on loan to Spurs this summer with a fee to buy (presumably a fair bit more than Betis paid) .
I also watched Lisandro Martinez in a few games last season, he was then bought by Ajax this summer and he's now making his name as their DM.
Consider that the current Copa Libertadores champions are River Plate, who just got back into the final against the league leaders in Brazil, Flamengo and its fair to say the best players in the Superliga are as good as the best players in Brazil. But the prices havent reflected that.
A couple of good places to start would be Nicolas De La Cruz and Exequiel Palacios from River Plate. Palacios has had his name linked with a big move or two, in particular to Real Madrid so he might be one with a bigger price tag.
I watched Arsenal Sarandi Vs. River Plate last week, and Arsenal Sarandi attacked well. Not so good with the defending Nicolas Giminez an attacking midfielder would be another to look at.
And Agustin Almendra might be worth keeping an eye on from Boca.
Given Romero is here, regardless of whether we can get rid of Rojo, that might help someone settle in if we were to use this market much like Inter did snapping up Lautaro Martinez for just 14 million euros in 2018
I think the Superliga in Argentina is a very good market for us and other clubs to look at. When compared to Brazil for example, the young players doing well there are sold at around £30-40 million each which is a hefty amount for not so proven players. de Arrascaeta, Rodrigo and Reiner from Flamengo, Jean Pyerre and Everton from Gremio and Antony from Sao Paulo all look good players in the making but perhaps the prices will be set around the money paid for Neymar, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Lucas Moura or Paqueta - all costing from £33 million to £76 million
Meanwhile here are the highest transfers paid in Argentina :
A much lower price. Just below and off the list is Lo Celso who PSG bought for 10 million euros and sold to Betis for over double, then went on loan to Spurs this summer with a fee to buy (presumably a fair bit more than Betis paid) .
I also watched Lisandro Martinez in a few games last season, he was then bought by Ajax this summer and he's now making his name as their DM.
Consider that the current Copa Libertadores champions are River Plate, who just got back into the final against the league leaders in Brazil, Flamengo and its fair to say the best players in the Superliga are as good as the best players in Brazil. But the prices havent reflected that.
A couple of good places to start would be Nicolas De La Cruz and Exequiel Palacios from River Plate. Palacios has had his name linked with a big move or two, in particular to Real Madrid so he might be one with a bigger price tag.
I watched Arsenal Sarandi Vs. River Plate last week, and Arsenal Sarandi attacked well. Not so good with the defending
Nicolas Giminez an attacking midfielder would be another to look at.And Agustin Almendra might be worth keeping an eye on from Boca.
Given Romero is here, regardless of whether we can get rid of Rojo, that might help someone settle in if we were to use this market much like Inter did snapping up Lautaro Martinez for just 14 million euros in 2018
Nope didn’t suffer a leg break at all, ended up with a puncture wound. After that he found his level and that wasn’t good enough. Bit like Blackett, looked good for a while then went a tad garbage.
agreed
Argentinian clubs have won 25 Copa Libertadores trophies, while Brazilian clubs have won 18.
One absolute gem from Argentina is Ezequiel Palacios. He’s an all-action box to box midfielder and who just turned 21. He was a regular starter for River Plate last season when they won the Copa, and is playing in his second final this season.
Another relatively unknown gem from Argentina is Matias Zaracho. He’s a 21 year old attacking midfielder who was absolutely instrumental in Racing Club winning the Primera Division title in 2018/19. He was heavily linked with Atletico in the summer but the deal didn’t go through.
Your logic is flawed. The top teams in the world like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City, Liverpool have 5 or 6 times more Brazilians than Argentinians. For example current European champions had 3 brazilians in starting XI, and last Euro champions had 2 while both having zero argentinians.
In the list you posted, only Lautaro is having success in a top team. Just stating Libertadores results is silly. France produces better players than Spain but La Liga has more success at club level.
Also Brazil's talent is much more spread out. If you avoid Flamengo who has loads of cash, you can hit the jack pot much easier in Brazil compared to Argentina. Thus, the quality of players in their league is better all around imo. (Also the Libertradores has been won more by Brazilians than Argentinians in past 25 years)
But signing players from South America is tricky; it's not the guys in the Libertadores finals who are going to make it in the elite of Europe most likely. For instance the MVP was 25 year old Pity Martinez, who is now at MLS. Its the 18 year old Brazilian in some small team like Coritiba who will be in Man City in 5 years time, while going through Shakhtar.
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Interesting post. Thanks for sharing mate. Perhaps work-permit issues is preventing us and the squad regulations from shopping too much in this market. If you're to buy a player in this market, you really have to get it right or you've locked yourself with a dud without any resale value.Perhaps not the perfect place to talk about this, but considering people were asking where Lautaro was found
I think the Superliga in Argentina is a very good market for us and other clubs to look at. When compared to Brazil for example, the young players doing well there are sold at around £30-40 million each which is a hefty amount for not so proven players. de Arrascaeta, Rodrigo and Reiner from Flamengo, Jean Pyerre and Everton from Gremio and Antony from Sao Paulo all look good players in the making but perhaps the prices will be set around the money paid for Neymar, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Lucas Moura or Paqueta - all costing from £33 million to £76 million
Meanwhile here are the highest transfers paid in Argentina :
A much lower price. Just below and off the list is Lo Celso who PSG bought for 10 million euros and sold to Betis for over double, then went on loan to Spurs this summer with a fee to buy (presumably a fair bit more than Betis paid) .
I also watched Lisandro Martinez in a few games last season, he was then bought by Ajax this summer and he's now making his name as their DM.
Consider that the current Copa Libertadores champions are River Plate, who just got back into the final against the league leaders in Brazil, Flamengo and its fair to say the best players in the Superliga are as good as the best players in Brazil. But the prices havent reflected that.
A couple of good places to start would be Nicolas De La Cruz and Exequiel Palacios from River Plate. Palacios has had his name linked with a big move or two, in particular to Real Madrid so he might be one with a bigger price tag.
I watched Arsenal Sarandi Vs. River Plate last week, and Arsenal Sarandi attacked well. Not so good with the defending
And Agustin Almendra might be worth keeping an eye on from Boca.
Given Romero is here, regardless of whether we can get rid of Rojo, that might help someone settle in if we were to use this market much like Inter did snapping up Lautaro Martinez for just 14 million euros in 2018
Sorry, but there’s absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Brazilian league is any better than the Argentinian league.
8 different Argentinian teams have won the Libertradores, so the talent is fairly spread out in Argentina too. 4 of the top 5 most successful teams in the competitions history are from Argentina.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Libertadores_records_and_statistics#General_performances
He was so bad for Inter, it was their Bebe moment. We should avoid players him.
it’s his movement and ability on the ball that reminds me of Aguero. Not strong physically as Aguero, lacks balance like Aguero. That’s why I said he is poor man’s Aguero. In few years he will be quality player.Eeeeh. At this point they're each similar to each other and also they're not similar at all
They're all striker. They all have certain similarities and also differences....Lautaro is similar to Aguero in that he kinda resembles him physically, in the way he moves, but as i've mentioned already, when you look closer he's not really all that similar at all. Same story with Aguero and Romario
Suarez does not resemble the others much in his movements. Nor physically(beyond being very strong and powerful with great balance and agility)
The evidence is that since the 90s, when it started being televised, Brazil have won it more times? (13 to 10)
The statistics in 70s and 60s frankly are irrelevant to me, Pele's Santos stopped participating in the tournament to go travel around the world.
Also, if you take into account their national team success, its alsoa measure that the players being produced in Brazil, thus, their league, are better. Or just look around the top teams in the world, as I said. And I'm not even taking into account semi-finalists, quarter finalists etc, which should be more relevant than just the champion, when analysing a league as a whole. In this case, Brazil has much more teams capable of reaching semi finals.
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It's not. Our transfer record with South Americans is beyond shocking... Veron, Heinze, Kleberson, Tevez, Anderson, Di Maria, Falcao, Sanchez, Fred for whatever reason this club gets it wrong time and time again.Perhaps not the perfect place to talk about this, but considering people were asking where Lautaro was found
I think the Superliga in Argentina is a very good market for us and other clubs to look at. When compared to Brazil for example, the young players doing well there are sold at around £30-40 million each which is a hefty amount for not so proven players. de Arrascaeta, Rodrigo and Reiner from Flamengo, Jean Pyerre and Everton from Gremio and Antony from Sao Paulo all look good players in the making but perhaps the prices will be set around the money paid for Neymar, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Lucas Moura or Paqueta - all costing from £33 million to £76 million
Meanwhile here are the highest transfers paid in Argentina :
A much lower price. Just below and off the list is Lo Celso who PSG bought for 10 million euros and sold to Betis for over double, then went on loan to Spurs this summer with a fee to buy (presumably a fair bit more than Betis paid) .
I also watched Lisandro Martinez in a few games last season, he was then bought by Ajax this summer and he's now making his name as their DM.
Consider that the current Copa Libertadores champions are River Plate, who just got back into the final against the league leaders in Brazil, Flamengo and its fair to say the best players in the Superliga are as good as the best players in Brazil. But the prices havent reflected that.
A couple of good places to start would be Nicolas De La Cruz and Exequiel Palacios from River Plate. Palacios has had his name linked with a big move or two, in particular to Real Madrid so he might be one with a bigger price tag.
I watched Arsenal Sarandi Vs. River Plate last week, and Arsenal Sarandi attacked well. Not so good with the defending
And Agustin Almendra might be worth keeping an eye on from Boca.
Given Romero is here, regardless of whether we can get rid of Rojo, that might help someone settle in if we were to use this market much like Inter did snapping up Lautaro Martinez for just 14 million euros in 2018
Aguero reminds me of Lautaro.
He has a release clause in his contract - just 96 million
Overall our transfer record in general is poor, so its probably not a south american thing
He barely got a chance for them and was young. He's 23 now and almost a goal a game for a team in the final of the copa and top of the league
Thats why I'm suggesting the Argentine league which is a lot cheaper than Brazil. Those are some expensive chances to take, but with the players from the Argentine league the cost is so much less that its hard to go too far wrong. If the player doesnt work out for us we could probably sell them off to another club at a profit like with PSG and Lo Celso for example.
The work permit would be an issue that we'd need to work around with loans or affiliated clubs most likely. Instead of a european team signing them and them playing there for a year or two before we signed them for a big fee, we could sign them and have a two year loan in Spain for example to gain citizenship. It means targeting them earlier, straight from the Argentine league instead of 2 years later when they've been bought by another club and have become internationals who play 30% of the time for their national team or getting that EU citizenship.
So this would obviously need to be a longer term strategy. Unless we paid the high fees and salaries like with the Brazilian league players as then you're more likely to get the work permit straight away due to the point system. But then we aren't saving money, so we'd have to invest in a lot less players and have to get them right
Theres plenty of Argentine players doing well. And the majority of Brazilian players who sign for those clubs dont come directly from the Brazilian league, which is the point. They are players that another team signs and helps develop and then they're signed by these clubs. The comparison is between players in the Brazilian league (not only Brazilians) and players in the Argentine Superleague (not only Argentines)
There is a reason for that. They are trying to sell him from last few seasons, even after scoring many goals last season (and ending up as top goal scorer) they couldn’t offload him on permanent transfer.
Maybe he is completely different player now but going by what I have seen, he was very poor for Inter.
He had 9 sub appearances for them in the league and 1 in the cup. Not even 1 start in the league
Hard to write him off completely based on sub appearances alone, and not look at what he's done in Brazil as a starter the past 2 seasons
Gabigol? I dunno if he's massively improved. But in his time in Europe, he physically couldn't play at that level. His stamina was so poor he couldn't last more than 20 minutes at the intensity of serie A
The problem with fan scouting of players is that its usually based off watching a mediocre player, in a conference level league, in a far off place, boss one match against Narnia united, or a youtube highlights real that shows a couple of goals or fancy tricks amongst 4 seasons of general nothingness, or football manager/fifa.
theres probably so much to take into account - physicality and fitness, language barriers, style of play of the team he plays in - eg theres a striker somewhere and he has scored 25 goals last season, which looks mega, but 18 are headers from crosses and 4 are penalties? So while the stats could look good, if he’s not going to be our penalty taker and we aren't going to stick 30 crosses a game in he’ll likely be shit and never score a goal. Theres also stuff that scouts look at like passing ability etc etc.
i dont know exactly how it works, but there are people who are paid a lot who do.
I think i know how it doesn't work though.
theres probably so much to take into account - physicality and fitness, language barriers, style of play of the team he plays in - eg theres a striker somewhere and he has scored 25 goals last season, which looks mega, but 18 are headers from crosses and 4 are penalties? So while the stats could look good, if he’s not going to be our penalty taker and we aren't going to stick 30 crosses a game in he’ll likely be shit and never score a goal. Theres also stuff that scouts look at like passing ability etc etc.
i dont know exactly how it works, but there are people who are paid a lot who do.
I think i know how it doesn't work though.
I dont look at fitness, but you can look online to see how many goals are with head and each foot and from set pieces, penalties or even situations like counter attacks. You can see most things other than fitness for yourself.
I dont think that when we're 14th in the league and stuggling for a goalscorer, much else matters than getting a goalscorer. We arent in a position to be picky
Struggled on loan at Benfica too, no?
I think Flamengo are trying to get him on a permanent deal.
I think Flamengo are trying to get him on a permanent deal.
as i said, depends how they've scored the goals and in what setup. Claude Puel played Vardy as a box striker and target man and he didnt hit a barn door.
you CAN’T sign players on stats. You do have to be picky
You can see how teams are playing
You can also watch matches. You maybe cant measure someone's fitness like a scout can or get a feel for their personality without talking to them and seeing what motivates them. Those are the things a proper scout can find out for you
cracking mate. Be sure to apply to woody to be chief scout. Make sure to tell him about how you’ve watched some youtube and games and sky sports. Also important to include how you have been googling stats. Sure all that mitigates the fact youve never been near a professional football environment.You can see how teams are playing
You can also watch matches. You maybe cant measure someone's fitness like a scout can or get a feel for their personality without talking to them and seeing what motivates them. Those are the things a proper scout can find out for you
the problem with stupid and ignorant people, is they lack the intelligence to realise they are stupid and ignorant.
have fun, muted
I think given our quality of scouting and success rate of transfers I'm overqualified
Have fun in your bubble, just dont forget to come out to get some oxygen now and again
His fat percentage was 13,5% and is 9% now, but his weight remains the same, so he is a better athlete now.
Also, we need take into account that when he is in Brazil, he has a certain status, so clubs will let him play as a second striker. In europe he will have to play as 9 or winger, and i dont think is gonna work.
He played as the lone striker as Flamengo beat Gremio 5-0, 3 days ago and while he did play in a 2 up front the game before, he was the furthest forward of those