very likelyLeague Cup 2019/20 | Semi finals: Man Utd v Man City, Leicester City v Aston Villa
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
very likelyVery much just you
What else do you want from a CM?
Joint most key passes, joint most dribbles, always successful with his dribble, 2nd most touches on the pitch behind his CB.
What is it he needed to do to "take United to the next level" where that isnt enough? Score a hatrick?
Regardless I dont think hes a realistic signing for us. We'll sign someone worse
what does the above prove exactly? That statistically he is good in these areas? They used to say the same for Maguire and he hasn't exactly set the world on fire for us. Again, an overrated, hyped player. Statistics don't tell the whole story my friend.Like I said, he's a good player, but are you telling me he is the best midfielder out there who we can get? At the figures rumoured, no way is he worth it. Id rather spend it on Saul Niguez or Koke or Fabian Ruiz.
Ps evidently judging by some of the other comments on here, its not just me who thinks he's overratedVery much just you
What else do you want from a CM?
Joint most key passes, joint most dribbles, always successful with his dribble, 2nd most touches on the pitch behind his CB.
What is it he needed to do to "take United to the next level" where that isnt enough? Score a hatrick?
Regardless I dont think hes a realistic signing for us. We'll sign someone worse
There are plenty of people who arent very good at judging a performance, thats true
What? Maguire was never statistically that good.
Like I said, he's a good player, but are you telling me he is the best midfielder out there who we can get? At the figures rumoured, no way is he worth it. Id rather spend it on Saul Niguez or Koke or Fabian Ruiz.
It tells you that in every way you can expect a central midfielder to have affected the game, he did well in those areas. So you either just dont like him regardless of what he does on the pitch for some reason, or you expect a CM to be scoring every game. Even Lampard didnt do that and he had much less defensive responsibility than Maddison has.
Got on the ball a huge amount? Check. Created chances? Check. Beat players himself to open things up? Check. Did all these things without giving the ball away much? Check. 8 shots on top of that by the way.
So you tell me. What was a CM supposed to do more than he did tonight for you to think they'd take United to the next level over the likes of Lingard, Mata and Andreas?
Because to be blunt, we havent had a single player who did all those things above this season. Pogba did last season. As a DM he hasnt and has barely played. The rest dont come close. So if you can't see how that would be an improvement over what we're seeing each game, then thats pretty crazy.
I like all 3 players that you mentioned, but none of them do what Maddison does better than he is doing it. And none are playing as well as he is this season. I'd give Fabian the edge because he could probably play a deeper role next to Fred or McTominay rather than compete with Maddison for an attack minded CM role.
Decided if Grealish is better than him yet? He’s not all that. I really hope we don’t sign Maddison. He’s an Ashley Young level signing.
I also which we would stay away from this number 10 BS. Just revert back to 4-3-3.
Grealish is a better left winger, Maddison is a better central midfielder. And its not close
Statistical evaluation of CBs is basically pointless
Is it just me who thinks Maddison completely vanished in the big games this season?
He wasnt that effective against Liverpool and City if thats what you mean. Leicester struggled in general against them
He was effective against City last season
Oh was he? Yeah those were the two games I saw him and he barely got a kick.
To be fair they’re two amazing teams so it happens to the best of them.
This is why I now love Ramos
Also consider those arent the teams we have a problem with. Its the teams Leicester have beat for fun this season
True!
Didn’t think I’d watch this, but Samatta’s debut is well worth it for me.
Villa CB's haven't started well
Maddison and Grealish direct comparison time! Enjoying so far.
Maddison fantastic so far.
Maddison v the Villa keeper at the moment
The question is could they play together .... (when Ed buys them both on the first day of the summer transfer window)?
Fecking love Grealish, great assist
Grealish 
Great setup from Grealish off the left! This is terrific comparing these two.
Fun game so far. Villa has picked themselfes up recently after being smashed by City.
Replays make it look easy but sticking a leg out there seems like that would be a save.
With Bruno too? Yeah, why not! Someone’s gotta release Sancho!
Both amazing players showcasing their skills..everything we have been lacking..goal threat and creativity but with bruno imminent i dont see either of them coming sadly...
I'll be royally pissed if Grealish leaves Villa and we're not in for him
Yeah it’s fun watching. Attacking football. Inventiveness. Creativity. I’m not used to these things
Great pass shame he was offside
What a pass.
I am semi torn here what I want. Villa is easier if we reach the final, but they have 0 chance against City.
Although I enjoy a Villa win more than Leicester.
Although I am pretty certain City will win it either way and it takes a miracle for us to knock them out tomorrow.
Although I enjoy a Villa win more than Leicester.
Although I am pretty certain City will win it either way and it takes a miracle for us to knock them out tomorrow.
Great save
Good save Noggie.
I feel like eating some eToro now.
Enjoying your new World class goalkeeper to go with midfielder and striker?
He was shite last season. No idea what we've fed him so far this season as he's done very well in his games bar Man. City.
Not sure how that wasn't a pen.
Any other game with a handball like that, it’s been given as a pen. Absolute shower of shite from VAR yet again! They make it up as they go along.
Definitely a pen. He raises his hand up and outwards and blocks the shot with his hand. It's not a natural position according to the guidelines or common sense. VAR being incompetent yet again in England.