LeBron James

Raoul · Jan 9, 2003

is going to be the greatest Basketball player ever. Write it down, print it, I don't care. The kid has the gift of the Gods. :eek:

mathiaslg · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:
is going to be the greatest Basketball player ever. Write it down, print it, I don't care. The kid has the gift of the Gods. <hr></blockquote>

Needs to work on his jump shots first.

Raoul · Jan 9, 2003

He's not perfect yet obviously, but he's way ahead of Bryant, Garnett, and dare I say MJ at a comperable age.

kennyj · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:
he's way ahead of Bryant, Garnett, and dare I say MJ at a comperable age.<hr></blockquote>

Reminds me of that joke:

Q. Who's the only person who could hold Michael Jordan under 20 points per game?

A. Dean Smith

RUDDY · Jan 9, 2003

put him on the court with AI and some ankles will get broke

Raoul · Jan 9, 2003

RUDDY · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:
 <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <hr></blockquote>

yea thats what AI would be doing after a crossover put him on his ass

Raoul · Jan 9, 2003

I remember when Allen was in high school (lived 20 min down the road from him). He was actually a more gifted footballer than at basketball. He's probably the best short player in the NBA, but I think LeBron James is much more gifted. He'll be the best ever imo.

RUDDY · Jan 9, 2003

i read that about the football thing aswell

have you seen the crossover he put on jordan a few years ago?

best move ive ever seen

kennyj · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by RUDDY:
have you seen the crossover he put on jordan a few years ago?

best move ive ever seen<hr></blockquote>

Jordan did stuff like that every game though. Iverson seems to throw in a lot of 8 for 28 games. Iverson is probably the best at his size though.

Best all-time NBA/ABA: Jabbar, Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Bird, Jordan, Magic, Dr. J. All of them were better than AI. No offense meant, but Jason Kidd may even be better than AI.

RUDDY · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by kennyj:


Jordan did stuff like that every game though. Iverson seems to throw in a lot of 8 for 28 games. Iverson is probably the best at his size though.

Best all-time NBA/ABA: Jabbar, Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Bird, Jordan, Magic, Dr. J. All of them were better than AI. No offense meant, but Jason Kidd may even be better than AI.<hr></blockquote>

by the time AI is finished he will be spoke about in that bracket

kidd is a good player not a patch on AI though

kennyj · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by RUDDY:


by the time AI is finished he will be spoke about in that bracket

kidd is a good player not a patch on AI though<hr></blockquote>

I hope you are right about him fitting ion with those guys. AI and Kidd are both pretty tough, not bad company to be in.

FresnoBob · Jan 9, 2003

Every year, sports reporters tag some kid as "can't miss," watch him miss, and then blame the kid for "failing to live up to his potential." Additionally, we've seen enough athletes have careers shortened dramatically by injury. Rather than be the prognosticator who tells you how they'll do, I'll be the critic who waits until the conclusion to tell you how they did.

usual_suspect · Jan 9, 2003

lebron james will be a superstar...BUT:

best ever? i doubt it...MJ was more athletically gifted than lebron, with the mindset to match.

iverson is the best player under 6'6 to ever play the game.

fresnobob, i get the feeling you haven't been following this story very closely...you keep on insinuating that he's just another in a long line of "hyped"-up players (and that he has a weak J)...there has been NO high-schooler ever, and there is none or the horizon, who has received as much widespread acclaim as young mr. james. i think the term for people such as yourself is "hater"...

btw, raoul, do you remember when AI was charged in that bowling alley brawl? i never felt like the true story came out...do you have any ideas about what REALLY happened???

FresnoBob · Jan 9, 2003

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
lebron james will be a superstar...BUT:

fresnobob, i get the feeling you haven't been following this story very closely...you keep on insinuating that he's just another in a long line of "hyped"-up players (and that he has a weak J)...there has been NO high-schooler ever, and there is none or the horizon, who has received as much widespread acclaim as young mr. james. i think the term for people such as yourself is "hater"...
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No one in the USA could have missed the story. I'm merely the eternal skeptic. If he keeps his head on straight and if he avoids major injury, I'd expect L. James to be a perennial all-star and an eventual "permanent resident" at Springfield, Mass. However, and repeat after me--no high school kid should get this much hype--it's bad for him and for the game--but, of course, if it makes the media bundles of money, it must be okay.

Raoul · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
lebron james will be a superstar...BUT:

best ever? i doubt it...MJ was more athletically gifted than lebron, with the mindset to match.

iverson is the best player under 6'6 to ever play the game.

fresnobob, i get the feeling you haven't been following this story very closely...you keep on insinuating that he's just another in a long line of "hyped"-up players (and that he has a weak J)...there has been NO high-schooler ever, and there is none or the horizon, who has received as much widespread acclaim as young mr. james. i think the term for people such as yourself is "hater"...

btw, raoul, do you remember when AI was charged in that bowling alley brawl? i never felt like the true story came out...do you have any ideas about what REALLY happened???<hr></blockquote>

James will be the best ever. He may never have the Charisma of MJ, but he will be head and shoulders the best. I've watched his high school games over the past year and am confident that he is better than MJ, Kobe, and KG at this age. Naturally LeBron will have to expand his game when he gets to the pros.

Ruddy, from what I remember AI didn't play a major role in the bowling alley brawl when he was 17. Apparently some friends of his were bowling when a group of whites made some racial comments (N word, etc), and a physical confrontation took place. I think AI and his friend didn't enter until the brawl was underway. The thing was videotaped and AI somehow ended up serving 4months. The Governor of Virginia commuted him out and the whole conviction was overturned a couple of years later.

It was a huge deal in the Hampton Roads VA area at the time, because AI was seen as one of the most gifted atheletes to come out of that area since Lawrence Taylor, and indeed there hasn't been anyone nearly as gifted until Michael Vick, two years ago.

blurman · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:
He's not perfect yet obviously, but he's way ahead of Bryant, Garnett, and dare I say MJ at a comperable age.<hr></blockquote>

MJ wasn't playing extremely well during his high school days, he burst into the scene when he was only in college.. so i kinda agree with this statement.... but to say that Ljames will be the greatest player ever in NBA would be way over the top... IMO...

Jens · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by FresnoBob:


No one in the USA could have missed the story. I'm merely the eternal skeptic. If he keeps his head on straight and if he avoids major injury, I'd expect L. James to be a perennial all-star and an eventual "permanent resident" at Springfield, Mass. However, and repeat after me--no high school kid should get this much hype--it's bad for him and for the game--but, of course, if it makes the media bundles of money, it must be okay.<hr></blockquote>

i actually think its idiotic teams are even allowed to draft players out of high school. its ridiculous and one of the reasons i dont have much interest in the sport anymore ...

Raoul · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by blurman:


MJ wasn't playing extremely well during his high school days, he burst into the scene when he was only in college.. so i kinda agree with this statement.... but to say that Ljames will be the greatest player ever in NBA would be way over the top... IMO...<hr></blockquote>

That's just my opinion. I think he'll be somewhat of a cross between MJ and KG.

Raoul · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by Jens:


i actually think its idiotic teams are even allowed to draft players out of high school. its ridiculous and one of the reasons i dont have much interest in the sport anymore ...<hr></blockquote>

Whys that ? It's not like someone like James, Kobe, or Garnett need an education in order to make ends meet. If they're good enough then they should be allowed.

Jens · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:


Whys that ? It's not like someone like James, Kobe, or Garnett need an education in order to make ends meet. If they're good enough then they should be allowed.<hr></blockquote>

but it surely doesnt hurt to have an education and something to fall back on should their careers fail for whatever reason

its crazy to have 17 year olds on multi million dollar contracts and to have a team´s futures on the shoulders of some kids ... being in such a spotlight at such a tender age can only hurt their personalities ... i do not like that development in football, either, before you remind me ... although the kids in football can at least finish school

Raoul · Jan 10, 2003

Originally posted by Jens:


but it surely doesnt hurt to have an education and something to fall back on should their careers fail for whatever reason

its crazy to have 17 year olds on multi million dollar contracts and to have a team´s futures on the shoulders of some kids ... being in such a spotlight at such a tender age can only hurt their personalities ... i do not like that development in football, either, before you remind me ... although the kids in football can at least finish school<hr></blockquote>

Well that's just the thing. He will be so wealthy in the next 12 months that he won't ever have to work again. If he gets injured then his insurance will make him rich. Look at Willis McGahee. He took out a $2.5m policy before the Fiesta Bowl, and will probably collect that money since he got injured.

manufanatic · Jan 10, 2003

AI the best player ever under 6'6 not so fast.. Hes not better then Isiah or and Charles Barkley was only 6'4.

Raoul · Jan 10, 2003

Different eras, but I think AI is a tad more complete than Isiah. Obviously John Stockton is one of the best shorter players ever.

kennyj · Jan 13, 2003

James is now driving a Hummer H2 (Base price $50,000), the SUV popular with many pros. It's got 3 TVs and a hookup for video games. His mother took a bank loan to finance the vehicle. Officiials are concerned that it may jeopardize his amateur standing.

sidsutton · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:
Different eras, but I think AI is a tad more complete than Isiah. Obviously John Stockton is one of the best shorter players ever.<hr></blockquote>

AI is more complete? He's a pure scorer. Steve Francis is more complete than AI.

RUDDY · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:


AI is more complete? He's a pure scorer. Steve Francis is more complete than AI.<hr></blockquote>

is he feck

sidsutton · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by RUDDY:


is he feck<hr></blockquote>

other than score, what does Iverson do better then?

WeasteDevil · Jan 13, 2003

Is it possible to be gifted at bouncing a ball? I could do that quite well at 3 years old.

RUDDY · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:


other than score, what does Iverson do better then?<hr></blockquote>

big game for you tonight mate

in nearly every part of AI's game is better,although hes not been outstanding this season

sidsutton · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by RUDDY:


big game for you tonight mate

in nearly every part of AI's game is better,although hes not been outstanding this season<hr></blockquote>

I'm not sure if Ming is playing or not. He left the last game with a strained knee. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> Boston are just as inconsistent as us though.

Comparing AI and Stevie's career stats so far, the only areas AI is ahead is PPG(7 ahead though he does shoot it 7 more times a game than Steve) and steals. Steve has better shooting percentages in every stat, rebounds more and averages more assists. Let's just say we're both happy with what we've got.

RUDDY · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:


I'm not sure if Ming is playing or not. He left the last game with a strained knee. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> Boston are just as inconsistent as us though.

Comparing AI and Stevie's career stats so far, the only areas AI is ahead is PPG(7 ahead though he does shoot it 7 more times a game than Steve) and steals. Steve has better shooting percentages in every stat, rebounds more and averages more assists. Let's just say we're both happy with what we've got. <hr></blockquote>

more than happy to have the leagues best player playing for us

i wish we were inconsistent

at the moment were just shite.

AI

Led league in scoring in 2001-02 with 31.4 ppg as well as steals (2.80 spg) and minutes (43.7)
Named the 2000-01 NBA Most Valuable Player, leading the league in scoring (31.1 ppg) and steals (2.51 spg)and minutes (43.7)Named the 2000-01 NBA Most Valuable Player, leading the league in scoring (31.1 ppg) and steals (2.51 spg)
Set the Sixers' all-time rookie record with 1,787 points

i think he'll be more than happy with that little lot

usual_suspect · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by sidsutton:


AI is more complete? He's a pure scorer. Steve Francis is more complete than AI.<hr></blockquote>

are you on crack?

sidsutton · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by usual_suspect:


are you on crack?<hr></blockquote>

no, why?

RUDDY · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by usual_suspect:


are you on crack?<hr></blockquote>

hes a rockets fan

sidsutton · Jan 13, 2003

I have already said AI is a better scorer than Francis, and have also pointed out where Francis edges AI and given my opinion accordingly.

What's the big deal? Am i saying Francis is on AI's level yet? No. I'm merely saying he has a more rounded game in my opinion.

(I was gonna say "so shoot me" but that's a dangerous thing to say where Iverson is concerend <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />

)

usual_suspect · Jan 14, 2003

back to lebron james...that's a nice little car he's been driving around lately, eh?

Raoul · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by kennyj:
James is now driving a Hummer H2 (Base price $50,000), the SUV popular with many pros. It's got 3 TVs and a hookup for video games. His mother took a bank loan to finance the vehicle. Officiials are concerned that it may jeopardize his amateur standing.<hr></blockquote>

Its all moot since he probably wont be an amatuer for much longer.

kennyj · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by Raoul:


Its all moot since he probably wont be an amatuer for much longer.<hr></blockquote>

That's for sure - I think he'd look good in a Knick uniform.

Raoul · Jan 16, 2003

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