Lets play the guacamole of the devil.
Let’s sign Gareth Bale
- Thread starter Rhyme Animal
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Yeah, let's not.
The worst possible signing this summer in my book. I dont know if i would prefer signing no one or Bale.
I would be willing to do a swap for Sanchez..
Ole will do what Woodward wants, that's one of the main reasons why they've given him the job.
He won't be the same to deal with as an elite manager who comes with their own team and has a well formed vision etc.
A spectacularly condescending post. How on earth would you know whether or not Ole has a 'well formed vision'? Do you really believe that Woodward wants nothing more than a nodding dog in charge of the team?
I doubt he's been planning to take over an Elite level PL club for long...do you?
He's landed in this position overnight, by ridiculous opportunity and was previously employed as the manager of Molde... if he was doing his job there, then he won't have even been thinking about managing Utd, let alone forming long term plans to dominate the PL.
Managers like Pochettino or Zidane are used to dealing with big club structures, and in Pochettino's case, he's used to planning how to compete at the high-end of the PL.
Yes, I do. I believe that firmly in fact.
I like how well you know Ole and even the relationship he has with Woodward.
I don't think Real will want a player on half a million a week who will probably be their 6th or 7th choice for the wide position. I think flogging Sanchez to China would be our only hope of offloading.
It's my opinion, likewise for yourself, no? You also have an opinion?
It's my opinion, and it's based on watching Woodward for years. And then seeing him make an another deeply inexperienced, eccentric managerial appointment over options that are at the natural point in their managerial career trajectory of taking on United.
An experienced top level manager and a DoF and I wouldn't hold this opinion, but Woodward has actively chosen to move away from that.
@Rhyme Animal then why hire LvG and Mourinho?
Both have complained, extensively, about the laughable 'structure' at the club, and neither worked out.
LvG has made clear that signings took place without his say so, and Mourinho wasn't backed and was transfer vetoed (after having his contract extended).
Woodward has had 6 years to put a DoF in place and step back - he hasn't done this.
Quite the opposite - he has actually increased his input to the point of making and vetoing signings, and has now appointed a manager that none of the current top 6 would even dream of appointing who is quite clearly going to be a softer touch than a well developed, experienced top level manager.
That's how I see it. That's my opinion. I don't mean it as an affront to those who hold different opinions, and I hope that I'm wrong about OGS being good enough - but regarding Woodward, I'm very confident that I'm right.
Sorry it really doesn´t look that way. Both him and seemingly Phelan seem to have their doubts about this setup. Ole even went so far to say that the targets would change to what we had been doing before.
But we will see, I dont see Ole as a yes man at all.
Solskjaer would have crawled over broken glass for the job.
If he's not a yes man and Woodward intends to continue playing FM, it'll flare up next year at the earliest. If LVG was professional enough to swallow signings so will ogs to begin with.
If he's not a yes man and Woodward intends to continue playing FM, it'll flare up next year at the earliest. If LVG was professional enough to swallow signings so will ogs to begin with.
As long as Woodward remains in charge of football operations. Nothing will change
Come on woody, i believe in you!
I must have missed these quotes.
But vg had such an ego i couldn't see him saying " yes it was all my fault"
On a loan or some kind of deal where we get him free and Madrid helps pay wages.
We have zero quality outside of Pogba.
Bale is quality. His left foot alone is better than 90% of our squad. He can do free kicks, deadly on the counter and produces in the biggest moments.
If he plays in the right teams cannot double up on Martial and Shaw.
We have zero quality outside of Pogba.
Bale is quality. His left foot alone is better than 90% of our squad. He can do free kicks, deadly on the counter and produces in the biggest moments.
If he plays in the right teams cannot double up on Martial and Shaw.
Yes, because press releases always reveal what players really think
This.
Bale was a different level to sanchez as well and even if he isn't good as he used to be - he is able to be good enough to be a key player in our squad almost instantly.
Even if he in and out of the season for a third of it - I still think he is good enough to do something in those games he turns up in.
Erk, okYes, because press releases always reveal what players really think
I’d do that deal to be fair. I’d trust Bale to have a much bigger influence when he’s fit than Sanchez has had!
Real ain’t that daft sadly.
8 goals and 2 assists in la liga. I believe that's less than martial and he'd cost a big transfer fee, huge wages, is often injured and is a forward about to hit 30. There no value there any more.
Age, injuries, transfer fee, lack of resale value, wages, and declining form. 8 goals and 2 assists in la Liga this season. Would be such a bad transfer.
Please don't do this.
If we can offload Sanchez in the summer, and get some sort of loan deal, I would be happy to take a punt at him. Still thinks he has a lot to offer.
You haven’t been watching Woodward at all, you have been guessing about him. To say that Ole will do what Woodward says is baseless.
Anyway, for the right mathematics, I’d take Bale. We need an experienced top player in attack to help the kids.
I've been watching his decisions for 6 years.
And he's a fecking clueless muppet regarding footballing matters who has proven himself as utterly useless in running this great club.
Exactly - even if he scores just 10 goals which he will; he takes the weight off the youngsters.
Possibly the only way i'd say ok to signing Bale.
Ideally we would have neither on our books next year.
I’d have him through the middle if we can ship Lukaku.
Sanchez would be overpriced if we sold him in Poundland. Can’t see anyone buying him, and definitely not Real. Our best hope is a free to a Chinese club (who could actually afford his wages).
The Bale ship sailed a long time ago. Whilst not ripping up trees, our left side of attack is probably one of our strongest areas of the pitch. We need to address problem areas, not just buy players because they become available. A right sided attacker is absoubtly essential.
But we would never get him for the right mathematics, Bale will be 30 this year , you dont spent big money large wages and long contracts on players that age especially an injury prone winger winger. So mathematically what 20 million and say 120k a week on a 2 year day would be good mathematics, but Madrid and bale would never go for that.
Also think helping kids is always over rated, normally it just means stunting the young players growth by playing the player we have spent a ridiculous amount of money for while the promising youngster gets benched.
He has shown no signs of wanting to be here in the past. We shouldn’t extend the hand to him now he’s deemed far too expensive wage wise to Real that he’s a problem as well as his mounting injury issues. The cynic in me would say he would see us as an excellent pension much like Schweinsteiger did seemingly.
I don’t like taking on players who have experienced so much success because there’s always a risk that their hunger and desire to do it elsewhere will diminish and they’ll just coast at Utd and be an expensive problem, and looking at Sir Alex’s purchasing strategies over the years, he never really purchased guys who already had scores of big trophies in their cabinets.
Bale should absolutely not to be signed. Let him stay in the land of tapas and paella, sign languaging and using rudimentary Spanish with teammates as his only means of communication and playing golf most of the time.
I don’t like taking on players who have experienced so much success because there’s always a risk that their hunger and desire to do it elsewhere will diminish and they’ll just coast at Utd and be an expensive problem, and looking at Sir Alex’s purchasing strategies over the years, he never really purchased guys who already had scores of big trophies in their cabinets.
Bale should absolutely not to be signed. Let him stay in the land of tapas and paella, sign languaging and using rudimentary Spanish with teammates as his only means of communication and playing golf most of the time.
It’s certainly not overrated. Having a senior pro take the immediate pressure of winning things for a mega club like Manchester United off say, a 19 y/o Jadon Sancho if we also signed him is great while they are developing. The kids will be inconsistent by nature, and it’s best that this inconsistency isn’t the topic of discussion every week.
As for the mathematics, we are talking of a player surplus to requirements at his club so who knows.
Im becoming to come round to the idea of atcually paying him to leave, its completely messing up out pay structure, its suddenly added 100k a week to every players asking price for contracts. Maybe that will help reset the situation a bit.
I can't believe how many people thought this would be a good deal, and haven't learned from and are still asking us to sign players like bale or even Alderweireld , you don't give players in and around 30 massive contracts.
But they only get consistent by playing.
Bale is on a reported 600k a week before tax untill 2022, so unless basically give him us for 3 and pay about 450k a week towards his wages their is no way the maths add up. And that just isn't realistic.
There’s no rule book. Perhaps not big contracts in terms of 5 years like we did to Rooney and Sanchez near enough, but big in terms of salary is to be expected if they are still top players. I mean, Sanchez turned 29 weeks before we signed him. How on Earth were we supposed to treat that deal? He was a top player, and at 29, at a good age.
Even discounting Messi and Ronaldo, there are and have been many top players in and around 30. If we signed the following players at 29: Robben, Silva, Dzeko, Aguero Ibrahimovic, Pirlo and lots more we would have gotten great service from them.
I certainly thought he would be a great signing. Miki was utter crap, and Sanchez's pedigree was fantastic, albeit he was in poor form, but I and most people thought it was just down to him not wanting to be at Arsenal anymore.
One of the most disappointing signings I’ve seen in 30 years, he used to be such a great player. Thought he would be another RVP.
It’s a delicate balance, players like RVP, Zlatan & Sheringham worked well. Sanchez, Schweinsteiger, Falcao have been bloody terrible.