There's nothing to suggest PSG would have conceded six playing their normal game. They have one or two decent players themselves.
Let's all laugh at PSG
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They didn't need to concede 6, just 5 would've seen them out and 5 for Barcelona is fairly common - it's a big reason few are willing to play toe to toe with Barcelona for fear of being run over. It also, again, points to how much of an aberration the result in Paris was - PSG much less any other team was unlikely to get a similar result doing the same thing
Ok there's nothing to suggest PSG would concede "just 5" playing their normal game. To be worried about that is crazily insecure.
There was also a good chance PSG would get a goal, hence me initially talking about conceding 6. Which is obviously what happened.
5 for Barcelona at Camp Nou? Hardly a miracle in an open contest, doing it against a bus is near impossible - ask Chelsea all those times
If you allow your opponent to score such scrappy goals because of will power, then you're obviously not defending with enough intensity. To say that PSG didn't completely feck up for the first three goals is almost hilarious. How is it good defending to lose that ball to Iniesta for the second goal? How is it anywhere near acceptable defending to let that ball bounce in their own box for the first and then to go on and lose the subsequent header. The third goal is basically the incarnation of PSG's performance from last night. It should've been the last goal, that would've been a more fitting metaphore.
It looks like you're trying so hard to paint PSG's performance as great (after they just lost 6-1), just so Barca's accomplishment gets more praise. But not only are you trying to big up PSG's performance from last night (6-1?!?!), you've also gone as far as saying that on the other hand the first leg was all due to Barca having a shit game. In the first leg PSG were actually brilliant offensively and scored good, non-scrappy goals. Of course the first leg was a freak result also. But if any of the two legs showed a team folding it was definitely the one from last night where PSG absolutely capitulated for 5 of the 6 goals.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Barca's performance as obviously even despite PSG's failure to concentrate and show some belief in themselves, Barca still had a huge task on their hands. But the story you're telling of this game paints the wrong picture.
I wasn't trying to paint it as great but to insist they bottled it is myopic at best - the Iniesta moment, that's not something you can predict - it was a combination of all the factors I mentioned. You just didn't imagine a smaller player gaining an advantage like that with a ball about to bounce out of bounds. No one saw that coming but I also think when you defend so deep in your own end you open yourself up particularly more to those moments of luck
Lets see, are there any other examples of Barcelona taking a 4 goal deficit without an away goal to the Camp Nou? Do you know of any where the opponent decided to allow the second leg to be a quite open game and where the opponent pressed a lot? I think there's one from fairly recently. How did that turn out?
I wouldn't say AC Milan played open or banks of 4 but Barcelona overturned a heavy first leg result (0-2) at Camp Nou, and scored 4 - if anything, I think it underscored how you are better placed to defend deep than try to play toe to toe vs Barcelona at full strength. Bayern's victory years ago was with a Barca team decimated by injuries and illnesses
I mean 4-0 is a huge advantage, what's the logic here typically to play? Even in the Arsenal vs Bayern match the other night, if Walcott gets that early penalty call and Arsenal go up 2-0 you gotta believe Ancelotti changes his approach to defend that advantage rather than continue to attack at Emirates. But I am guessing of course since Bayern is the only other team similar to Barcelona in terms of their dominance on the ball
I mean 4-0 is a huge advantage, what's the logic here typically to play? Even in the Arsenal vs Bayern match the other night, if Walcott gets that early penalty call and Arsenal go up 2-0 you gotta believe Ancelotti changes his approach to defend that advantage rather than continue to attack at Emirates. But I am guessing of course since Bayern is the only other team similar to Barcelona in terms of their dominance on the ball
PSG and Wenger are made for each other
There are some expensive squads in the area of Manchester capable to deliver disappointing away performances
"Le netspend"
"Bunch a ham baguettes fam"
"We managed to score 5 goals against Barca, Robbíe"
QualityThat's because there's no way Marquinhos should lose that ball to Iniesta. Clear it or whatever, but that's something he will certainly not look back at and say "wow, Iniesta was so good there, there was really nothing I could do about it." No, if he sees that again he's going to facepalm so hard. That's defending 101 to not let an attacker chase onto a lose ball in your own box when you could instead clear it or shield the ball better. Obviously Iniesta does really well to still get there. But when the conceding team plays a "defensively terrific game" like you say, then this does not happen.
Take it easy blud. Its just a joke fam.
That Milan side wasn't as good as this PSG side though. That Milan side was simply not close to Barca's level and lost because of Barca's incredible second leg performance. PSG played way below their possibilities last night.
Obviously the Bayern 3-0 after the first leg 4-0 was only down to illnesses and injuries when it was just 1 round after Barca overturned their 2-0 deficit to Milan by winning the return leg 4-0. How could I forget.
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which has ran its course. I also don't like some of its undertones but alas, do you...
Upto last night you've never beaten PSG by more than two. From the last seven games it's three wins, two losses and two draws.
So I think it's fair to say that had PSG played their natural game, played somewhere in the region of their ability, yes it would have taken a miracle.
Is that a question?
They've never had to win by a large margin against PSG, that's the difference
Guys Guys, let's not blame the ref. I thought the game was pretty fair barring a few minor decision. Barcelona were untouchable for most of the game. The atmosphere was scintillating and they were just out of this world. Instead of yanking on PSG, let's celebrate this great victory with Barca.
This is how you bottle a game.
From the CL thread:
I agree. Barca even at their best could not have won this 6-1 if PSG would've played at a reasonable level. No way. But PSG really looked so scared out there, since minute 1 I think. Except for 10 mins after Cavani scored, when they could have decided the tie, they were scared shitless of Barcelona. And this allowed Barca to score 6 goals without even playing at their best, just by speculating PSG's incredible errors. Neymar had a fantastic game though, directly involved in 4/6 goals and almost scored an absolute screamer.
Don't laugh too soon we could get rolled over by Rostov tonight, won't be laughing then.
Ouch.. your mind is a 6-1There are some expensive squads in the area of Manchester capable to deliver disappointing away performances
Sshhh.. Dont disappoint FCBarca, who seems to be convinced that PSG was at its monstrous best yesterday night and Barca absolutely shred them to pieces because of their superior ability.
which undertones?
Why would they be soulless? If PSG has one thing it's great fans who have supported their team during really shite seasons.
They defended like a bunch of clowns. Professional teams can't be doing that in a friendly, forget about in the CL or against Barca.
And Barca get too much help from the referees. They always have and always will.
And Barca get too much help from the referees. They always have and always will.
Just watched the game again. Barca had another penalty not given for Meunier on Neymar (he doesn't even follow the ball, goes straight to stop Neymar), and another possible penalty for Verratti on Messi, here he clearly pulled his shirt.
So, lay off with the 'help' that Barcelona gets. First penalty on Neymar is very clear, 2nd penalty on Suarez is soft, but I've seen those given even in the CL final between Milan and Liverpool (Gatusso on Gerrard). Nobody made that much noise back then.
The only clear decision against PSG was Mascherano's penalty on Di Maria. There were some decisions against Barca, and some plays were close and those were called for Barcelona indeed. That is what happened.
So, lay off with the 'help' that Barcelona gets. First penalty on Neymar is very clear, 2nd penalty on Suarez is soft, but I've seen those given even in the CL final between Milan and Liverpool (Gatusso on Gerrard). Nobody made that much noise back then.
The only clear decision against PSG was Mascherano's penalty on Di Maria. There were some decisions against Barca, and some plays were close and those were called for Barcelona indeed. That is what happened.
@serghei saying the referee was a fan of PSG
It's a joke@serghei saying the referee was a fan of PSG
Whenever there is a game when Barca get some favorable decisions, the excuses made by their fans are unreal. The same fans who cry hoarse over any decision Madrid get in their favor. I think PSG have to blame themselves for this kind of loss but Barca got the luck in terms of referring decisions on the night.
You need to understand, they have lived their entire existance in the shadow of real madrid, they know they will never match real madrid in terms of trophies and history, these last 10 years have been kind of like their day in the sun, they need it to be umblemished. And their anger over madrid's inherent superiority means they are incapable of not slagging off against their bettersIt's a joke
Basically what i'm saying is, barca fans are the spanish city fans
It's a joke
I think PSG have to blame themselves for this kind of loss but Barca got the luck in terms of referring decisions on the night.
As far as I'm concerned, I have no problem to say Zlatan has obtained a lot of unjustified penalties in the French league because the French referees were impressed by the Man Barca fans should be proud of having 2 specialists in the art of diving: Suarez and Neymar.
Even Mourinho agrees with me regarding the case of Neymar!
@FCBarca
Barca created 1 clear chance all game at OT for the 1-0. Henry's free header from a corner.
There was nothing lucky about it, I have no idea what Scholes is saying. For luck look at the Chelsea 2012 games, with several open goals and a penalty miss.
Barca created 1 clear chance all game at OT for the 1-0. Henry's free header from a corner.
There was nothing lucky about it, I have no idea what Scholes is saying. For luck look at the Chelsea 2012 games, with several open goals and a penalty miss.
dont barca have like a mirror image record v Chelsea?
15 games, 5 wins, 5 draws, 5 defeats
People have been making noise about that Gerrard dive since the day it happened, I doubt you'll find any discussion on this forum about the 2005 final that doesn't mention Gerrard's starfish impression.
For me this game was a combination of tactical suicide by PSG, and suspicious refereeing. Neymar and Suarez could easily have seen red for their constant diving. That second penalty was never a penalty, and the first one is debatable, though understandable.
But still, when it was 3-1, it was time to park the bus for PSG, dunno why they felt the need for a 2nd at any point. Still think UEFA were helping beyond the shadows tho, call me a conspiracy nut if you wish.
But still, when it was 3-1, it was time to park the bus for PSG, dunno why they felt the need for a 2nd at any point. Still think UEFA were helping beyond the shadows tho, call me a conspiracy nut if you wish.
PSG should really have scored the second through Cavani or di Maria. They remind me a lot of Arsenal, who always miss the 1 or 2 deciding big chances in big games.
Scholes -
When you play Barcelona, as I have said before in these pages, you know that for most of the game you will be defending. You know that your concentration has to be at the very highest level and that if you switch off for a moment they will punish you. It is as much a mental challenge as it is a physical one. When United beat Barcelona over two legs in the semi-final of 2008, we were exhausted by the effort but won the tie.
Even when we beat Barcelona in the 2008 Champions League semi-final second leg at Old Trafford, my main memory – the goal aside – was that they had possession for long periods. We did not go toe-to-toe with them, but instead contained them as best we could and defended our lead. In that era Barcelona were special. They were undoubtedly the best team in the world