Murtough at the wheel!
Let's praise the club for doing something we want for a change... thread?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
bravo
Steve Bruce even being mentioned was the final tipping point for the board.
I am so happy right now. Finally something good happening at the club. This also means that we might go for Ten Haag in the summer as his tactics align with Rangnicks philosophy.
So they yanked a footballing director out of his current job and brought him in as a manager for 7 mo? Is it just me or that only makes sense if Rangnick will stay on as the footballing director once we hire permanent manager... but that cannot be the plan if Murtough made this decision, right? And what is this "two year consultancy after 6mo of interim?" Surely no permanent manager will need a "consultant", that is nuts. So he cannot be a consultant to the manager, then he will be consultant to footballing director? Or is it thinly-veiled way to say that he will be the footballing director?
And most importantly, how can Rangnick possibly manage United with Carrick & Co as coaches, given how they have no clue what they are doing and Rangnick plays dynamic football that needs well-coached team?
So - what exactly is going on?
And most importantly, how can Rangnick possibly manage United with Carrick & Co as coaches, given how they have no clue what they are doing and Rangnick plays dynamic football that needs well-coached team?
So - what exactly is going on?
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Yes absolutely. Positive feedback for this, not hearing a word said against Woody while he keeps this sort of thing up!
He’ll be working together with Murtough clearly, which Murtough obviously has agreed to and is no doubt relishing, it’s only positive.
Positive for the future, positive for the new manager and positive in the present because the players know he’s gonna be an important figure even after the 6 month managerial spell.
Very good appointment, surprisingly good. Can’t be many on here not satisfied with this but of business. Onwards and upwards.
I am getting lot suspicious that united data analytics team is feeding caf data to Murtough.
Yeah, I mean Rangnick shaping our footballing strategy will be game-changing and super-exciting, but what I am confused about is that Rangnick knows 10x more about that than Murtough ever will, and it is a very strange setup. Usually people in Murtough's shoes don't want to hire such consultants because of fears for job security. Which is why I am confused as hell.
I also cannot understand how he can manage United next 7 months with clueless coaching team we have now, so we don't throw current season away.
Yes! I‘m delighted with this. Next summer will be very important too.
Like to think it'll lighten up some of the moaning miseries on here, it's a proper footballing decision.
Actually the best directors tend to surround themselves with the best in the business.
If this truly paves the way for ten Hag to come in, the club will have done exactly what I want. If Rangnick gets us ticking on the way it will be wonderful.
Would love to know who the prime mover behind this decision is.
Would love to know who the prime mover behind this decision is.
True, but that would make Murtough the best director, and he hasn't shown any sign of that... until now?
For the first time this season, I am genuinely excited to see us evolve into a team which can (hopefully) take on the likes of MCFC, CFC and LFC.
It was embarrassing seeing MCFC keep the ball in the 2nd half, with our players unable to actually get hold of the ball. That was men against boys and it was obvious that Ole and our coaches simply aren't capable of doing their job to the level expected.
I am expecting great things now. IMO we have one of the best squads in Europe and we now need good coaching and tactics to bring them all together.
Say what you like about Glazers - they've spent big and now brought in a man with a football brain to direct football matters (and even manage the first team for 6 months).
After directing so much vitriol towards the board, I am quite stunned at their choice. They can now take a back seat and let Ralf R, deal with on-pitch matters.
It was embarrassing seeing MCFC keep the ball in the 2nd half, with our players unable to actually get hold of the ball. That was men against boys and it was obvious that Ole and our coaches simply aren't capable of doing their job to the level expected.
I am expecting great things now. IMO we have one of the best squads in Europe and we now need good coaching and tactics to bring them all together.
Say what you like about Glazers - they've spent big and now brought in a man with a football brain to direct football matters (and even manage the first team for 6 months).
After directing so much vitriol towards the board, I am quite stunned at their choice. They can now take a back seat and let Ralf R, deal with on-pitch matters.
Correct.
"Make sure that you are the dumbest person in the room", meaning that you hire experts who are better than you and you let them advise or make decisions on your behalf.
In business, this is practised by many CEOs of large corporations.
Hopefully this is the start of the club becoming progressive and catching up with our rivals. I'm delighted by this news.
Yeah, well done to everyone involved in making this happen!
Im amazed someone at the club had the brains to appoint someone like Ralf Rangnick. The first time ive been impressed with a footballing decision by the club
Brilliant appointment
I'm excited to have somebody onboard who knows football in and around the upper management of the team.
I'm excited to have somebody onboard who knows football in and around the upper management of the team.
City preparing for Pep.
Liverpool preparing for Klopp.
Yet during this time we just hired whoever with no plan for a way of playing or a manager who we thought would take us forward.
Hiring Ralf til the end of the season then getting Ten Hag or Poch is one of the smartest things we have ever done since SAF left.
It seems we have a manager in mind who we can’t get til the summer and we hired the best out there for the time.
Liverpool preparing for Klopp.
Yet during this time we just hired whoever with no plan for a way of playing or a manager who we thought would take us forward.
Hiring Ralf til the end of the season then getting Ten Hag or Poch is one of the smartest things we have ever done since SAF left.
It seems we have a manager in mind who we can’t get til the summer and we hired the best out there for the time.
Really pleasantly surprised. +1
Said in another thread the club has been improving its decision making bit by bit and this decision is on trend.
I said it before in another thread if we go on to appoint Ten Hag after this and actually let Rangnick have some real power and influence over football decisions then it will go some way in restoring my faith in the club.
After the diabolical years of Sir Alex's departure they are finally taking at least one step in the right direction. If these reports about Ragnick being offered the role as a sporting director that's the first real good news us fans have been given regarding the upper structure of the club in almost a decade.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/would-you-take-ralf-rangnick-as-manager.466865/post-28045177
Called it three weeks ago. Still can't believe the board actually did it.
Called it three weeks ago. Still can't believe the board actually did it.
Nab ETH in the summer and Arnold deserves a pat on the back.
Completely agree. Step in the right direction and to be applauded.
Now they need to follow this with conviction and give Wreck it Ralf actual power and authority. Especially in consultancy role which is surely DoF in reality.
Will take time to implement this style, especially mid-season. Hopefully there's no over-reactions. We're one of the worst clubs when it comes to running stats so it'll take some work.
This is a good move but should have happened during the international break. There was no point in continuing with Ole till Watford game. Thats the only issue i have but as OP mentioned, this feels like first good decision by board after SAF retirement
Ralf Rangnick was visited at Leipzig back in 2019. It was reported we had talks over organisation, structure etc. back then. General club development.
Later it was reported Murtough was the one who visited him, they talked for 8 hours, and had talked to Helmut Gross, a trained structural engineer turned tactical maverick, and Lars Kornetka, a long-time Rangnick collaborator, for insight into his footballing beliefs and his character beforehand, likely with a view to hiring Rangnick.
Reports are that he'll stay on for a further two years in a consultancy role.
"Rangnick has agreed a six-month deal until the end of May. He will have a further two years in a consultancy role." - The Athletic
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Really pleased, and surprised, that the board have made this decision. The consultancy role is a really positive move too.
Let‘s hope they’ll now sort out wi-fi in the stadium.
Let‘s hope they’ll now sort out wi-fi in the stadium.
Think it’s important we don’t get carried away. A lot remains to be seen regarding the consultancy role etc, I do think this guy will try and reinvent the wheel but perhaps that’s what we need. We will at least have an identity - as far as I’m concerned if the players won’t buy into it they deserve to be benched.
We are certainly in better hands with Ralf than under Ole or anyone currently at board level.
We are certainly in better hands with Ralf than under Ole or anyone currently at board level.
Since Murtough took over, most of the decisions we have made, besides giving ole so much time, have been logical. An improvement.
As I said over the last year the board finally start spending which was the biggest problem since the Glazers took over but then made decisions that showed they don’t know football.
This is a pleasant surprise
It makes me more frustrated that they stuck with Ole for so long and watched the season fall away from them. This is going to be short but hopefully sweet.
I'll thanks them when it works. There're still hundreds of ways they can feck this up.
I never thought it was going to happen, we've lurched from one mistake to another but this seems like the best slice of hiring we've done since SAF retired in that it can stabalize the club now and also adds a football man upstairs to help Murtough and Fletcher bring us into the modern era, away from the cult of the manager and towards a football infrastructure that makes coach and player acquisitions much more seemless and hopefully avoiding more massive overhauls. Ole should have been sacked after the City defeat and we should have gotten this in place over the international break but better late than never. Now I just hope Rangnick can salvage top 4 and we don't undo the good work by hiring Pochettino in the summer.
It really feels like the power brokers within the club finally grasp they have to give a certain level of pragmatic concern over the standard of football at the club. I expect some teething problems early on, but once the training kicks in it will be nice finally to see our defence not constantly parked deep in our own box as if that constitutes "a plan".
Follow Rangnick up with a progressive (rather than reactive) successor and I for one will be really happy.
Follow Rangnick up with a progressive (rather than reactive) successor and I for one will be really happy.