its not like we've spent a fortune on the midfield, or are looking to make a marquee midfield signing is it? Our net spend is around 35M this summer
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Yeah precisely
But aren’t we still deciding whether to sign a third midfielder or a LB? Seems like we’ve opted for a LB… we’re somehow relying on Mount to stay fit and be that 3rd midfield signing. Which is smart if it worked but let’s be honest… he ain’t staying fit and then we’ll be short in the middle.
Think we are still hoping to get alternative to this guy and that third midfielder (athletic ground coverer profile)
After assessing, I actually think we're in much better shape than fans think we are.
a. I don't think we will sign that third midfielder, as I think Mount's new role will act as that.
b. I think Tielmans can play as a deeper partner when required
c. Andrey Santos will start, the battle is for his partner ( Mainoo or Tielmans, with Mount as their back up)
d. Mbuemo and Cunha can deputy for Sesko
e. If Rashford stays, and with Lacey coming into the squad, I'm not sure a forward is NEEDED. I'd want it, but we can afford for this to be a younger player and not too expensive.
What i would like more than anything though is a left back. I think on the right, that role is going to be more defensive with an inverted full back who can act as a third centre back. This means our left back, especially with Cunha coming inside at times, needing to go back and forth. Shaw may have been injury free last season as an LCB for the majority of the season, but at left back, we would prefer to have a younger, fitter, more athletic and more attacking left back. This is where Hall comes in. Even if its not Hall, I do think we would do well in having that. We can do really well with the squad we have already, but I think this will do far more for us, particularly in tight games, than fans think.
a. I don't think we will sign that third midfielder, as I think Mount's new role will act as that.
b. I think Tielmans can play as a deeper partner when required
c. Andrey Santos will start, the battle is for his partner ( Mainoo or Tielmans, with Mount as their back up)
d. Mbuemo and Cunha can deputy for Sesko
e. If Rashford stays, and with Lacey coming into the squad, I'm not sure a forward is NEEDED. I'd want it, but we can afford for this to be a younger player and not too expensive.
What i would like more than anything though is a left back. I think on the right, that role is going to be more defensive with an inverted full back who can act as a third centre back. This means our left back, especially with Cunha coming inside at times, needing to go back and forth. Shaw may have been injury free last season as an LCB for the majority of the season, but at left back, we would prefer to have a younger, fitter, more athletic and more attacking left back. This is where Hall comes in. Even if its not Hall, I do think we would do well in having that. We can do really well with the squad we have already, but I think this will do far more for us, particularly in tight games, than fans think.
We rely on Mount as third midfielder we deserve what happens when he breaks down and no DM cover
this just seems like copium
relax, we're getting a forward zirkzee is going, a midfielder and a defender (lb or cb who knows)
we will get in at least 3 for sure, I think it'll only be 3
We won't get forward unless Rashford goes too
I agree. I’m convinced the majority of our business is yet to be done.
I think if Zirkzee is going we'll get a striker but fairly cheap backup one even with Rashford staying. However, I don't think the 3 next players will be expensive anyways
Where is this idea that we didn't enquire about him before they sold Tonali, Gordon and Bruno coming from? It's not even certain that we were ever really trying to sign him.
Let's be honest, none of us have known anything that is happening in this window and that includes credible journalists. The amount of people assuming that we have left this until they sold the rest of their players is mental!
What happens if you wake up tomorrow and everything has been agreed pending a medical, just like our other signings so far? Will you all come back here and admit that you were wrong? I somehow seriously doubt it. Most will move on to moan about something else in an hour or 2.
I'm also not saying that will happen, as I have no clue as to what the clubs plans are and neither do you. We all have to be patient and hope that we have an adequate team going into the season. I'm quietly confident that we will be in much better shape when the window closes.
Let's be honest, none of us have known anything that is happening in this window and that includes credible journalists. The amount of people assuming that we have left this until they sold the rest of their players is mental!
What happens if you wake up tomorrow and everything has been agreed pending a medical, just like our other signings so far? Will you all come back here and admit that you were wrong? I somehow seriously doubt it. Most will move on to moan about something else in an hour or 2.
I'm also not saying that will happen, as I have no clue as to what the clubs plans are and neither do you. We all have to be patient and hope that we have an adequate team going into the season. I'm quietly confident that we will be in much better shape when the window closes.
That was said after they managed to get £70 million for Gordon then said again after getting £100 million for Tonali and now said again after getting £75 million for Guimares, I think they learnt after Isak last season and realise that they needed a different approach
Exactly mate as even when Zirkzee goes we’d have have Sesko, Cunha, Amad, Mbeumo, Rashford, Dorgu, Thompson and Lacey for three positions so I don’t see a forward coming in but if they don’t bring another midfielder in and rely on Mount then when we have an injury crisis Ineos deserve everything that comes their way.
Zirkzee is a non entity as he wouldn’t get minutes regardless so won’t be replaced and as I said above we’ve got 8 players for 3 positions which in Ineos eyes will be plenty, unfortunately Ineos and their whole ‘best in class’ is a fecking myth and non existent.
I don't think there is a midfield starter necessarily. Definitely not Santos. I would put him behind both Tielemans and Mainoo in the pecking order still.
If I had to pick the 2 roles, I would say it's Mainoo vs Santos as the "6" and Tielemans vs Mount as the "8", and of them, Tielemans is probably the furthest ahead based on the level he's shown in his career and his ability to control games. But it's a pretty close group of 4 and I think Carrick sees them as interchangeable (at least the main 3, not so much Mount).
I would still be very surprised if a left back and a ball winner aren’t signed before the window closes
The last two times we 'heard' that 'Utd are interested in the player but feel the costs won't get it done' was with Anderson and Fernandes. Then we signed Tielemans and Santos.
Based on that alone, I don't think Hall is getting done as we've heard the same with him and we probably have an alternative working in the background.
I hope that's not the case as Hall could be a very good addition but let's see who and if there is a different candidate. It might be another 'smart' data driven case.
Based on that alone, I don't think Hall is getting done as we've heard the same with him and we probably have an alternative working in the background.
I hope that's not the case as Hall could be a very good addition but let's see who and if there is a different candidate. It might be another 'smart' data driven case.
Left back is needed at bare minimum.
I don't think Carrick values a ball winner. I think he sees Mainoo and Santos as the deep #6, first phase midfielder and Tielemans as the partner with Mount obviously being able to play there too. Plenty of versatility there too, and if another quality one became available sure, but I don't think Carrick is looking for or values someone like Baleba whose game isn't based on on the ball ability.
I don't quite get why them selling their captain and star player to Arsenal diminishes the chances of Lewis Hall getting a move. Surely he wants to jump that ship pronto and the only thing left to do is hand in a transfer request. It'll create decent headway with SCR if the saudis actually do still want to pump money into the club. And assuming (not a big leap) that he's desperate to move, are they best served going into a complete rebuild with unhappy players?
Because if they're going to sell him, it will be for a big premium, like with every player they've sold. That's not conducive to a transfer with us, as we've walked away from every premium priced deal this summer. No player is giving up cash to move with a transfer request, if a club isn't willing to do the same.
No no, I get that he'll be costly. I'm just countering the narrative that he won't be sold as they will not want to make further sales.
Oh right, yeah. They'd definitely sell him if we paid up, he's not anywhere near as important as the players they've sold.
I don’t see how santos isn’t one of the starters though looking at how he’s been used in pre season. He’ll be the deeper midfielder who can play progressive passes. I don’t see how tielemans and mainoo can work together. Not defensive enough and will struggle.
Agreed, he's quite clearly first name on the team sheet come the season starts. I actually think it will be Santos and Tielemans.
Exactly.
Agreed. I think this is a good take.
I think shutters are down on sales now unless this guy is actually willing to do what it takes to force move
We're sat here with a net spend of £30m well into August, we should not be debating whether we need a midfielder or a left back. A serious club would sign both, as we're one player short in both areas if we want the standard two-players-per-position depth (not counting youth players who are not established first team players).
I do agree an attacker when Zirkzee leaves technically isn't needed as we already have the numbers in attack. I would prefer at this point though Rashford also leaves and at that point we'd definitely need a striker brought in.
Yeah it's scandalous we are having to make do in one of these two key positions because of INEOS scrooges
Just noted Antonee Robinson is homegrown despite representing USA. Probably one of the reasons he's on the list of alternatives. Main downside is his age but like Tielemans, if the fee is low enough to reflect that then it's not a big deal. Does the caf rate him?
Ultimately we'll still have to sign another left back next summer anyway when Shaw's contract ends, as it looks like we've failed to produce our own option there with Alvaro gone and Amass apparently being for sale this summer.
Ultimately we'll still have to sign another left back next summer anyway when Shaw's contract ends, as it looks like we've failed to produce our own option there with Alvaro gone and Amass apparently being for sale this summer.
What about Diego Leon, wasn’t he signed to be the long term replacement?
He's class and I agree that the age is fine as long as it's reflected in the price.
25m for 3 years of class is no different than 50m for potentially 6 years of class. In fact it's sometimes better because there is more certainty around it.
We need to ensure that we are in the CL for the next couple of seasons to help get us back on track.
The main problem is PL clubs don't like selling their best players for a reasonable fee, particularly late in the window when their plans were based on the assumption he was staying. Being incredibly slow has consequences.
250mil coming in means there is zero pressure to sell and if they do sell, they will want top dollar. He has three years left on his contract too.
If he puts in a transfer request, its likely he will give up a lot of cash, which is why players just don't put in transfer requests anymore.
Im sure most want to leave Newcastle right now. Dan Burn is their star player now!
Good question. Has not gotten any senior minutes at all. Also wasn't at the world Cup for Paraguay after being called up at the end of last year. Doesn't sound like we should expect much from him. Has anyone seen him play for the U21?
I think he hasn't developed as they had hoped
IF it meant we could still go for this guy next summer then I wouldn't be against it. However my gut says he signs a new deal at some point to end hopes.
I always found the signing weird. £3m + 4m in addons for a 17 year old left back from the Paraguay league? That's a hell of a random punt, and not that cheap either for the context.
Please close this thread. 
He is not signing for us
He is not signing for usI would so love this to backfire nowPlease close this thread.
Arsenal spent £67.5 million on Eze and £48.5 million on Madueke last season knowing both players were not starters. That's £116 million on depth. We pussyfooted around signing a starting option and now its impractical for Newcastle to sanction a sale.
People are waiting for an INEOS "magical blinder" because last seasons window ended well. Meanwhile many signs points to poor planning and reactive luck. That doesn't sound like smart management.
LUCK IS NOT A STRATEGY. A good end still suggests we went into this window hoping rather than preparing for a good outcome.
P.S A massive part of preparedness is getting the signings settled before the season kicks off not game week 2
People are waiting for an INEOS "magical blinder" because last seasons window ended well. Meanwhile many signs points to poor planning and reactive luck. That doesn't sound like smart management.
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LUCK IS NOT A STRATEGY. A good end still suggests we went into this window hoping rather than preparing for a good outcome.
P.S A massive part of preparedness is getting the signings settled before the season kicks off not game week 2
Notice how Liverpool and Arsenal heard Newcastle say "we don't want to sell" and just went and bought Isak and Bruno G anyway.