I can see the football authorities making a big statement soon on acceptance of the LGBT community, right after we get the whole "having the sports biggest competition taking place in a country where homosexuality is illegal" thing out of the way.
LGBT issues in Football
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Just to say that those centres of financial and geopolitical power have been instrumental in how the world is. And the world is the way it is because it's not half the planet, it's pretty much most of the planet that tolerates or celebrates it.
Because this is a thread about Poland and their issues with the LGBT community. Deflections or whataboutism is no solution.
Wait, you are still alive? Good on you mate for risking your life after that pussy, racist talk from Campbell before EURO 2012.
Big cities are indeed mostly fine but even then there are communities where you wouldn’t feel comfortable being honest about your homosexuality.
People often get misled by how their close circle perceives those communities but being able to write in English well enough to post here probably means you are more educated that most of the country and that also usually means that you hang around more educated groups as well. Which almost automatically means they will have a different stance from most of the country.
Then again we got educated people supporting Konfederacja here so not sure our education even works.
Yes and no on the church front. surely you can't discount that most polish people would say they're Catholic - indeed many would reject the current popes calls to modernisation. and, yes major cities are a different matter, the majority of poles still live in places like radom or Zloty stok or zielona gora where any deviation from 'white straight Catholic' are viewed with suspicion at best.
To be clear, though, the UK still. l has a lot to do when it comes to issues on trans rights, so most western counties have their issues.
Poland is slowly opening up to new ideas. it's a country which has undergone a lot of modernisation since I first came back in 2005. Such change is never easy so I have patience with my Polish friends and acquaintances. but let's not pretend it's there just yet.
Let’s not pretend it’s not an issue in the UK.
There will always be backwards thinking people in every country. I find it sad that LGBT isn’t normalised. I couldn’t care less who’s shagging who.
There will always be backwards thinking people in every country. I find it sad that LGBT isn’t normalised. I couldn’t care less who’s shagging who.
Yeah, we wouldn't like to carry onto ANY other form of dicrimination, morals and ethic, would we
?Could always go around the world spreading that mantra through pillaging, rape, fear and violence. Worked for some other belief systems.
In my view. It's the idea that it is a sin that is still engrained in people and it lives on. Because religious idealogy structured peoples moral values and it permeated governments it found it's way into the law books.
Only legalized/decriminalized in England in the 60's and Ireland in 93. Funnily enough Polish laws were changed long before these. It's less than 10 years since same sex marriage is allowed in both, this is still not allowed in Poland.
There are plenty of countries that it is still illegal, let alone have marriage rights. So I don't think we can really be looking at other countries with any real contempt for not doing these things, when you consider how it's only recently things have changed in the UK and Ireland.
It's a sad state of affairs, but one lad on Twitter, FIFA or UEFA aren't going to change it in a hurry.
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Given the church has long called for the extermination of the lgbt community (public shaming, running conversion therapy etc) they have made themselves a target. the extent to which activists 'attack' churches rarely goes beyond graffiti or silent protest. meanwhile, those who are publicly out are assaulted or worse.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'language in front of kids' but I assume you mean the clip of one of the leaders of the recent women's rights marches who was filmed swearing with some kids around. that's a different movement - but obviously shares philosophies.
While you do see (ahem) 'both sides' being involved in violence. only one side hates the other because of some immutable part of who that person is and will hate them regardless. ultimately, I can't change my sexuality but another person can absolutely change their willingness to hate someone because of it.
Some interesting perspectives in here. Cheers for sharing.
Yeah, totally devastating St Mary figure etc is also understandable. They're doing everything to create a scandal and hurt others here on those protests, nothing to do with defending themselves.
You said no LGBT person has any problem there, and you've never seen it, but you're also acknowledging that far right groups do attack them?
Which is it?
Which is it?
I love how these threads always seem to end up as a debate between some butthurt nationalists who try to argue which religion and or country is worse and why theirs is better. What could have been a serious discussion about queer issues, suddenly becomes a playground for racist stereotypes.
UEFA are a complete joke, quick to act in threatening the super league clubs and any players associated with them with sanctions but tread softly with racism and homophobia issues.
All they are interested in is purely protecting their own pockets just like the break away clubs they have condemned.
All they are interested in is purely protecting their own pockets just like the break away clubs they have condemned.
https://www.google.hu/amp/s/amp.the...-rainbow-colours-after-hungary-anti-lgbtq-law
Munich mayor tried to get permission from UEFA to light Allianz Arena in rainbow colours after anti-LGBTQ+ law was passed by Hungarian parliament. Looks like it’s not gonna happen, “they don’t want to get into political debates”. UEFA again proved how little they care about minorities, especially when there’s little to no pressure from the public.
Munich mayor tried to get permission from UEFA to light Allianz Arena in rainbow colours after anti-LGBTQ+ law was passed by Hungarian parliament. Looks like it’s not gonna happen, “they don’t want to get into political debates”. UEFA again proved how little they care about minorities, especially when there’s little to no pressure from the public.
FIFA won't meaningfully crack down on anti-LGBT conduct in authoritarian countries because they love the benefits that come with it. FIFA loves hosting at Wembley, but they want all their VIP's to get in without having to observe COVID protocols so they immediately decide that Istanbul is an option, where they can't decide what military coup is next. Members of the LGBT community are easy targets for authoritarian countries because they prop them up as symbols of decadent Western nations, as people without morals, as signs of societal decay that authoritarians can point to and say "Vote for me otherwise more of THEM will start showing up! Globalism = bad gay." But FIFA is run by corrupt authoritarians, and they're all alike, which is why they're fine letting oligarch scumbags like Abramovitch (who has violated numerous human rights and has personally overseen the deaths of multiple Russian citizens as one of Putin's favored friends) run rampant (source: The New Tsar by Steven Lee Myers).
I believe you didn't understand. He obviously think the LGBT protesters deserve be attacked by the poor neo nazis.
Different football but the first active NFL player to come out as gay just happened. Maybe it's the start of a bunch of guys being okay with coming out even though they are still active in their sports.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31682318/carl-nassib-las-vegas-raiders-announces-gay
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31682318/carl-nassib-las-vegas-raiders-announces-gay
Ignore UEFA and do it anyway. What are they gonna do?
I thought the same. Do Uefa micromanage every other stadium hosting games as to what shade of lightbulbs they use? Tell them to feck away off and focus on the banners that were on display at games in Budapest instead.
Yeah I saw someone on Twitter wonder why they even bothered asking? Should have just gone ahead. It's just coloured lights ffs
Not even sure UEFA has much say about the exterior parts of a stadium.
Where does their perceived jurisdiction start? What if Munich put a massive pride statue in front of the stadium?
Where does their perceived jurisdiction start? What if Munich put a massive pride statue in front of the stadium?
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Good stuff.
I do think there's a benefit to asking first, as it forces UEFA to look bad for saying no and makes it in to a bigger statement.
Yeah, the mayor obviously wanted to show his 'suport for minorities' there.. Poor sod
Tell us again why the LGBT protestors deserved to be beaten up by the right wing thugs?Yeah, the mayor obviously wanted to show his 'suport for minorities' there.. Poor sod
Do it anyway.
Just light it up anyway, and slap rainbow decor anywhere they possibly can. Surely UEFA don't want the negative PR of punishing a football association for being inclusive. They would be a laughing stock.
I’d love it if football rallied round this. Everyone just go rainbow mental and force UEFA to out themselves as a bunch of dicks.
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"Hungary's Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said the law was only aimed at paedophiles." don't know how true this is but Uefa need to decide what is the line between "politics" human rights and discrimination.
Lot of talk in Germany about the crowed showing up in Munich in rainbow colors, try and stop that UEFA you bunch of pricks.
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Okay calm down Mr Leftie PC Brigade Cancel Culture man. Don't go getting offended again. I know it's what you lot do best but no need for it here. I'm sure there's another bandwagon for you to hop on soon. All aboard.
The term LGBT is a pretty poor one, though, conflating issues which really can't be conflated.
Parts of the T are currently in opposition to much of the LGB, dependent as current 'transgenderism' tends to be on a regressive 'gender' understanding. I don't think lesbians should be criticised for not wanting girl-dick. Gay men shouldn't have to be grouped with people who want children to consider a lifetime of medical care as an untroubled path to happiness.
Parts of the T are currently in opposition to much of the LGB, dependent as current 'transgenderism' tends to be on a regressive 'gender' understanding. I don't think lesbians should be criticised for not wanting girl-dick. Gay men shouldn't have to be grouped with people who want children to consider a lifetime of medical care as an untroubled path to happiness.
It's so refreshing to hear terms like Mr leftie PC Brigade Cancel Culture man. You are really owning the libs on this one, I'm sure there is another bandwagon for you to hop onto soon too.
Feel like this post could be written by JkRowling