He might still turn out good, it’s not about that. We just repeatedly spend significant amounts of money on players who are either an unknown quality at this level or have a limited ceiling. We hardly ever go for any bargain signings for some reason, ie we almost never sign castoffs from the big clubs or cheap players from weaker leagues. That makes it very difficult to build a proper squad.
Liam Delap | Official: signed for Chelsea
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
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He has 3 doesn't he? 9, 17 and then 6.
Yep, he was seen as full of potential but he really had not delivered until the move to Newcastle. Pretty obviously every club in the PL wishes they had moved for him before Newcastle but he was seen as a big risk for the 65M price at the time.
Aha! He did as well... Just shows how posters like @Rolaholic are making things up.
He was signed based on a one season wonder and got 120k a week.
But didn't Isak have a reputation of being a very good CF talent? Or that's just me thinking that because he always was on FM
He was regarded a big talent when Dortmund signed him. But since he didn't make it there and got shipped out, I don't think many people expected great things from himBut didn't Isak have a reputation of being a very good CF talent? Or that's just me thinking that because he always was on FM
But didn't Isak have a reputation of being a very good CF talent? Or that's just me thinking that because he always was on FM
Delap has had the same reputation... if you go back to when he was coming through the youth at City... have a look at his numbers in the youth academy.
Yeah that I know as well(but again mostly from FM). But the athleticism and size of Isak is what we should be looking for tbh, Osimhen kind of fits that. Haven't watched enough of Gyokeres so can't comment on him. Sesko as well kind of fits that(but maybe has injury problems?).
Anyways I agree with people in here that say that Delap is the sort of CF we should sign alongside a experienced goalgetter not as a first choice.
Isaak is on a league of his own in terms of athleticism and dribbling etc..
I dont really rate Oshimen that much, his wage demands dont tie up with his first touch.
I dont think we will sign 2 first team ST whilst having Hojlund and Zirkzee still around though.
To be fair, I think your post suffered from being read as supplemental to the other one I quoted.
Failed my ‘be nice, read it twice” policy.
Let’s hope he comes good, there have been promising signs.
If Mbuemo ask for 150 it's understandable, he has been class for many seasons now. I do not think Mbuemo would ask or get more.
It is. It's the Mason Mount story all over again. Give him more than what he deserves (I personally think he is average) and when he flops we struggle to ship him.
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I never said it was peanuts. But it’s also a completely reasonable fee for him and potentially very good value.
I never said he was decent. I outlined what I would deem acceptable seasons from him.
Who is better? David is potentially better but I can assure you that between signing bonuses and agents fees he will cost every bit as much as Delap and probably want a far higher salary. You would also have to factor in that he is not a number 9 so is not really what we are looking for and does not seem to be very keen on a PL move. I don't know of any other strikers on a free that could be considered better than Delap by any metric unless you mean Jamie Vardy and have access to a time machine.
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David isn’t the answer. I say this as someone who has closely tracked his career since he was 19 years old at Gent.
La Liga or Serie A are a much better fit for him. He would not cope with the physicality.
David and Callum Wilson. Both free agents in the summer. signing both would give us year to find someone else.
Callum Wilson might be a decent shout but he hasn't scored a single goal this season and is almost always injured. If he could prove his fitness then maybe as a stopgap he could work but I would not have much faith in him holding up. David is a firm no, he is not suited to the PL and would want a lot of money to come, would be a move we would spend years regretting although thankfully I doubt he would entertain an offer from us anyway as we are nothing like the move he is looking for.
Making what up? He had that 17 goal season at 20 years old whilst scoring against the big boys during his time there. Scored more goals in 3 seasons with La Real than Delap has in his entire career so far. He was highly regarded around Europe which is exactly why Newcastle spent 75M Euros on him.
That's a different level of talent than scoring for a relegation side yet the latter should be earning more because?
Agreed, wouldn’t be excited by this signing at all.
this actually a good thing
Making up that he was having consistent seasons.... he has 1 season in 3 over 10 goals.... so making things up.
So there is a difference... 75m and 30m. Ofcourse your eyes dont see that major difference though.
I watched Isak because he is always in the Swedish TV spotlight. He looked a far better player technically already, he was involved much more in the game generally and his passing looked crisp. His dribbling was at a level Delap will never reach because he is not that type of a player. They are on two different levels even if we count the pre Newcastle Isak. Isak is RVP type player, Delap is a Lukaku type player.
I would gladly pay 30m more to get a quality player than 30m less and stuck with another deadwood specially with that ridiculous salary he is asking for. His level is 80k not more.
Well, just to let you know... Isaak is not 75m... he would cost 150m right now, so question is would you want to pay £120m more on a player?
So, clearly you have not watched Delap this season? so why make assumptions? Lukaku was completely different, he was a run in behind striker where Delap is very good at holding the ball up, bringing others into play and also his ball carrying isnt that bad.
Obviously when you compare him to Isaak, there is only one winner there but we are not getting Isaak for multiple reasons, £150m price tag and he will probably want 200k+ wages now.
The funny thing is you want to sign Isaak now... once he has flourished... then if we miss out on a good signing say... why can't we find the next big things...
Well its because you sh** on players who have had 1 season saying they are not good enough and McTominay has had more goals in the league ignoring 6 seasons to 1.
Show a bit of patience. He’s a 20 year old lad who’s been at the club 3 months
wasnt the discussion about pre Newcastle Isak?
Two things,
I did not say sign Isak now, (I would love it though and that is what a club in our size and prestige should do), but I know in this day and time is unrealistic. I am still talking about signing a player who is similar to Isak when he was at Real if we are going to go the route of "finding the next thing".
My problem with the next thing is, I would gladly do this in any other position in the team bar the CF. When we signed Holjlund I said the same thing and will keep saying it. This is not how Sir Alex built his teams, he always went and got players who score tons of goals even if it was from other lower leagues. We need someone who would come and score 25+ because he already did it. Not someone who want to learn how to do it.
A few things here...
Firstly, when we are trying to sign a player before they fully blow, you dont think he is good enough..
Hojlund played 1 season and didn't get the same number of goals as Delap did in the PL. Delap has been highly rated since his academy days... so saying its the same... when its not.
This is not Sir Alex football club.. its Manchester United... SAF is not the manager, when will fans move on from that?
That hasn't helped more recently, but historically it's more that we weren't a selling club. We sold players who we didn't want because they hadn't been good enough, and you don't make a profit on players who haven't been good enough. That's the same hypothetical scenario you're describing here with Delap.
I don't see much difference between Hojlund and Delap. They are virtually the same age (born just 4 days apart) and have had similar development arcs. Hojlund has averaged 11.6 goals per year in all comps across 3 league seasons in two of Europe's "top 5" leagues. Delap has 12 total goals at Ipswich (where there's minimal pressure) in one year of top flight football.
If we're being charitable to Delap, we could say he's basically a slightly better version of last year's 16 goal version of Hojlund, which is obviously not nearly good enough to be a starting #9 at United. He's closer to an Alan Smith or Chicharito type buy - a player who can compliment one or two existing top class strikers, but never be quite good enough to be the featured striker.
If we're being charitable to Delap, we could say he's basically a slightly better version of last year's 16 goal version of Hojlund, which is obviously not nearly good enough to be a starting #9 at United. He's closer to an Alan Smith or Chicharito type buy - a player who can compliment one or two existing top class strikers, but never be quite good enough to be the featured striker.
Alan Shearer thinks he's good enough to be starting no9 for Chelsea and Utd
Ironically, Newcastle would probably be the best fit for Delap.
He won't want to sit on the bench.
Hojilund at Atalanta was a channel forward, who worked the wide areas and who needed to develop physically and still hasn't done that at Utd so he gets overpowered by PL centre backs. I wouldn't give up on hojilund just yet personally.
Delap is stronger, more of a bully who causes issues for PL centre halfs. He has better off the ball movement.
Other than their age, they are different types of strikers in my opinion.
Delap would be very good for Chelsea with Palmer behind him and I think he would be very good for Utd with Cunha / Fernandez behind him.
Yeah this is my biggest concern about signing him, would feel very different if he wasn't leading line. So if we don’t sign Gyokeres or Delap where do we look for a striker
But we’ll want him to. After a month or so.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the signing for the money being talked about - but anyone that thinks it's an instant, material upgrade over hojlund is nuts
A flat track bully. That's why I said a Lukaku type of a player. We should absolutely avoid these types of players who are not technical enough to adjust their game once they come against a physically stronger defenders. Just watch his game against us, he wasted the entire game wrestling Maguire and failed miserably.
Agreed. Which is why it strains credulity that we would suddenly see a massive improvement by swapping them. If we're serious about challenging in the league and CL next year, we will require players who are comparably as good, if not better than those of our main opponents.
Considering who we struggle against the most under Amorim, a flat track bully isn't all that bad
This argument becomes honestly really lame. Have you ever watched the player. Delap is a physical monster who can hold the ball up, carry the ball forward in channels and through the middle and constantly harras midfielders and win second balls and headers. Hojlund has fraction of that ability. So stop comparing their goalscoring record for once. We would be getting a complete striker who can work on his finishing like Isaak did but will instantly make our game tic.
Have we seen a ball out to a striker who could hold it up in the front and start attack ever this season? it's very rare and it's when Zirkzee is dropping very deep. He's okay at that, but Delap is much better. We are struggling to win anysecond ball or header in the middle of the park for the same reason, we have only two boys who can't win a challenge in Zirkzee and Hojlund, so we relly a lot on playing through the wings, which makes us play very one dimensional.
People also forget Delap was a great city academy product who could not break through for obvious reasons, but he can do a Palmer or Heaven if he gets a chance in an attacking team..
Would still prefer Sesko or Gyokeres but for the money and age in Gyokeres case it's really smart business and helps to build our squad faster for the next season. Less risk if things dont work out.
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