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Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.Or the next Andy Carrol
Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.Or the next Andy Carrol
How it is a no lose situation? When we became selling club whos main goal for the season is to be in the middle of the table and look how to profit on players?Darren Bent was nothing like Delap as a player!
With Delap at £30m and relatively low wages is almost a no lose situation. Even if he doesn't quite make it here we could sell him to an Everton or West Ham in two years for a similar amount.
Darren Bent was nothing like Delap as a player!
With Delap at £30m and relatively low wages is almost a no lose situation. Even if he doesn't quite make it here we could sell him to an Everton or West Ham in two years for a similar amount.
Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.
He doesn't need to love United in order to apprecaite two of the best strikers of the their era...
I've seen some amazingly random ways to be negative about this one, but I think you've won actually. Bringing up Darren Bent for some reason? Incredible.
Why don't Shearar take him to fecking Newcastle then and give us Isak instead? Ofcourse he would love to see United or Chelsea stuck with mediocre strikers while his club has one of the best in the world.Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.
He said he is good enough to start for us or Chelsea, he didn't say he was better than Isak.Why don't Shearar take him to fecking Newcastle then and give us Isak instead? Ofcourse he would love to see United or Chelsea stuck with mediocre strikers while his club has one of the best in the world.
Nobody is paying that if he "fails" here. He'd have to do more than hes done at Ipswich to be worth it
How it is a no lose situation? When we became selling club whos main goal for the season is to be in the middle of the table and look how to profit on players?
If your first choice striker fails that means that you (probably) had bad season. That instead finishing in top 4 we finished 7th, 8th,15th....
Same goes for other positions/signings. Gamble on some young, cheap rotation option is fine. But when you are buying first choice player then first comes impact on results then resale value. In our case at least.
Wasting an entire season to test Delap, don't you see the broken logic here? United supporters forgot what a big club means. Now every season we can test a new mediocre player. No, some positions you don't buy young players who does not look special talents to be your number one striker, because the CF position is the most important position in your team especially in Amorim's system. You dont waste another year's of the entire squad development because of the one player upfront. It's an absurd thought, if tou tell me bring him to be a second option behind another more experienced CF, then and only then you make sense. Otherwise..... Nonsense.
Gyökeres is only 26 and entering his peak. He is a signing for now and the future. It's said multiple time by the INEOS team that while they would prioritise high potential players, it has to be a mix of current and future talents.In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.
In the real world though all of those clubs are above us in the table, and we are skint and have PSR issues ahead of us.
People keep talking about this experienced striker that we need to get, but who? We aren't going to be signing an Osimhen, Gyökeres, Isak type of player. All of them are going to be looking for enormous financial contracts at a time when we are trying to reset the wage bill. If that's the sort of player you think we are going to be signing this summer then prepare to be very disappointed. We've made it clear that we are building for the long term and signing those sort of players just isn't what we are looking to do.
They will on this as certain he joins ArsenalGyökeres is only 26 and entering his peak. He is a signing for now and the future. It's said multiple time by the INEOS team that while they would prioritise high potential players, it has to be a mix of current and future talents.
Now do they stick to their word? Time will tell.
Gyökeres is only 26 and entering his peak. He is a signing for now and the future. It's said multiple time by the INEOS team that while they would prioritise high potential players, it has to be a mix of current and future talents.
Now do they stick to their word? Time will tell.
He said he is good enough to start for us or Chelsea, he didn't say he was better than Isak.
No one can be certain about that. Sporting were a lost cause before Amorim. He has played under RA who got the best out of him. It's about making him believe in the project, we will most likely match any wage Arsenal/Chelsea are willing to offer.He's 27 next month.
The fact he is entering his peak makes him less likely to come here. We are a mess! we aren't winning leagues or Champions Leagues any time soon.
Darren Bent was nothing like Delap as a player!
With Delap at £30m and relatively low wages is almost a no lose situation. Even if he doesn't quite make it here we could sell him to an Everton or West Ham in two years for a similar amount.
Except that's not where Cunha is actually good.I think the plan is Cunha as the main striker at first, and then to ease Delap in. Cunha is the main signing up front for us this year I reckon. This lad is backup/development/rotation, and is a better option than retaining useless Hojlund for that.
I do not agree with the claims we need someone experienced. For example, Weghorst and Ighalo were useless. We need someone that can score goals. It is pointless to buy a 30 year old just for the sake of “he has experience” if that player does not score many goals. So goal scoring ability should be the criteria and not simply
In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.
In the real world though all of those clubs are above us in the table, and we are skint and have PSR issues ahead of us.
People keep talking about this experienced striker that we need to get, but who? We aren't going to be signing an Osimhen, Gyökeres, Isak type of player. All of them are going to be looking for enormous financial contracts at a time when we are trying to reset the wage bill. If that's the sort of player you think we are going to be signing this summer then prepare to be very disappointed. We've made it clear that we are building for the long term and signing those sort of players just isn't what we are looking to do.
.... that he wants Newcastle to stay clear of Utd and Chelsea?Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.
No one can be certain about that. Sporting were a lost cause before Amorim. He has played under RA who got the best out of him. It's about making him believe in the project, we will most likely match any wage Arsenal/Chelsea are willing to offer.
He said they need to be strong in the summer (Make changes) and if the mentality is the same in the new season someone else needs to be incharge.Based on his most recent comments I'm not even sure if Amorim will be here next season. If we lose the Europa final then I think it's almost certain that he goes in the summer.
Why is he good enough to start for united? There is zero evidence he is good enough. One season with 12 goals in the PL is not a ticket to be a starter at a huge club like united no.
This ideal world doesn’t exist anymore. With the amount of cash slashing around the Premier League, these kind of clubs no longer need to sell their better players for whatever they can get for them.In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.
Precisely why we need someone more experienced or another 10 with high goal outputWhy is he good enough to start for united? There is zero evidence he is good enough. One season with 12 goals in the PL is not a ticket to be a starter at a huge club like united no.
This is where I am leaning. Cunha and another 10 with end product will take a lot of pressure off the CF position and will allow us to avoid buying the wrong player in this window and maybe address it the following year. If we can add 20 goals from other positions it will have a huge impact and if we have to rotate Hojlund/Zirkzee/Obi for another 12 months we may see better production from them when they are not being asked to do it all.Precisely why we need someone more experienced or another 10 with high goal output
That's why I prefer Mbeumo to Semenyo, he has delivered 18 league goals compared to only 9 from latter. Maybe someone could outline to me what Semenyo offers to us which Mbeumo doesn't. Maybe then I could understand the logic in going for him.This is where I am leaning. Cunha and another 10 with end product will take a lot of pressure off the CF position and will allow us to avoid buying the wrong player in this window and maybe address it the following year. If we can add 20 goals from other positions it will have a huge impact and if we have to rotate Hojlund/Zirkzee/Obi for another 12 months we may see better production from them when they are not being asked to do it all.
Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.
12 goals from a striker for a relegated club with much lesser quality should in theory to translate to the same or more for us. He's 21and just made his debut this year.So the only options are someone who is okay for Ipswich or someone who will want 200k+ a week?
Do you have some kind of condition where you can only see teams at the top and bottom of leagues?
We're already in relegation form. Signing the top scorer from a club that just got relegated is probably not going to change that is it? It didnt keep Ipswich up.
Regardless, none of that has anything to do with what I said. Its nonsense to suggest that even if he fails at United Delap will be able to be sold for around £30 million. Its more than he's worth now, so its paying for potential. If in 2 years he doesnt look like realizing that potential nobody will be offering that kind of money. Hojlund is a good example - 2 years ago he was valued a lot higher, hes failed here and how much do you think teams would offer for him now?
Lukaku is the only example I can think of where he was signed for a fee, didnt do what we hoped and then sold him for close to what we paid. I thought Van De Beek would be like that several years ago, we got next to nothing back. It doesnt work like that and thats when we're doing quite well. If we're in the bottom half of the table and a player has still failed at the club there isnt going to be much interest from teams who want to spend £30 million on a striker.
Amorim will start here next season regardless of the result in the final.Based on his most recent comments I'm not even sure if Amorim will be here next season. If we lose the Europa final then I think it's almost certain that he goes in the summer.
We'll likely finish 17th this season and one of our big moves to rectify our goalscoring problems is to buy a striker that started for one of the historically shit set of teams to be relegated. It seems like utter madness to me. No top 6 or top 8 rival would touch this guy.
Yet Chelsea and Newcastle are being heavily linked.We'll likely finish 17th this season and one of our big moves to rectify our goalscoring problems is to buy a striker that started for one of the historically shit set of teams to be relegated. It seems like utter madness to me. No top 6 or top 8 rival would touch this guy.
Not to play as first choice though, you'd assumeYet Chelsea and Newcastle are being heavily linked.
Well he has more goals than their first choice striker whilst playing for a relegated team, so I would assume Chelsea would be at least considering him, unless they have plans to buy another striker too.Not to play as first choice though, you'd assume
I didn't really follow Chelsea this season, didn't Jackson have quite a good start this year?Well he has more goals than their first choice striker whilst playing for a relegated team, so I would assume Chelsea would be at least considering him, unless they have plans to buy another striker too.
The team had a good start in general. Delap’s stats are far more impressive given the team he plays for. I would take him over Jackson.I didn't really follow Chelsea this season, didn't Jackson have quite a good start this year?
That is a stretch. Mildly is the right word and as a starter.Yet Chelsea and Newcastle are being heavily linked.