Liam Delap | Official: signed for Chelsea

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Darren Bent was nothing like Delap as a player!

With Delap at £30m and relatively low wages is almost a no lose situation. Even if he doesn't quite make it here we could sell him to an Everton or West Ham in two years for a similar amount.
How it is a no lose situation? When we became selling club whos main goal for the season is to be in the middle of the table and look how to profit on players?
If your first choice striker fails that means that you (probably) had bad season. That instead finishing in top 4 we finished 7th, 8th,15th....

Same goes for other positions/signings. Gamble on some young, cheap rotation option is fine. But when you are buying first choice player then first comes impact on results then resale value. In our case at least.
 
Darren Bent was nothing like Delap as a player!

With Delap at £30m and relatively low wages is almost a no lose situation. Even if he doesn't quite make it here we could sell him to an Everton or West Ham in two years for a similar amount.

Wasting an entire season to test Delap, don't you see the broken logic here? United supporters forgot what a big club means. Now every season we can test a new mediocre player. No, some positions you don't buy young players who does not look special talents to be your number one striker, because the CF position is the most important position in your team especially in Amorim's system. You dont waste another year's of the entire squad development because of the one player upfront. It's an absurd thought, if tou tell me bring him to be a second option behind another more experienced CF, then and only then you make sense. Otherwise..... Nonsense.
 
I've seen some amazingly random ways to be negative about this one, but I think you've won actually. Bringing up Darren Bent for some reason? Incredible.

I did not bring up the criteria that scoring 12 goals in the Premier leagues in a single season gives you free ticket to Manchester united's number one, I just reversed the broken logic.
 
Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.
Why don't Shearar take him to fecking Newcastle then and give us Isak instead? Ofcourse he would love to see United or Chelsea stuck with mediocre strikers while his club has one of the best in the world.
 
Why don't Shearar take him to fecking Newcastle then and give us Isak instead? Ofcourse he would love to see United or Chelsea stuck with mediocre strikers while his club has one of the best in the world.
He said he is good enough to start for us or Chelsea, he didn't say he was better than Isak.
 
Nobody is paying that if he "fails" here. He'd have to do more than hes done at Ipswich to be worth it

How it is a no lose situation? When we became selling club whos main goal for the season is to be in the middle of the table and look how to profit on players?
If your first choice striker fails that means that you (probably) had bad season. That instead finishing in top 4 we finished 7th, 8th,15th....

Same goes for other positions/signings. Gamble on some young, cheap rotation option is fine. But when you are buying first choice player then first comes impact on results then resale value. In our case at least.

Wasting an entire season to test Delap, don't you see the broken logic here? United supporters forgot what a big club means. Now every season we can test a new mediocre player. No, some positions you don't buy young players who does not look special talents to be your number one striker, because the CF position is the most important position in your team especially in Amorim's system. You dont waste another year's of the entire squad development because of the one player upfront. It's an absurd thought, if tou tell me bring him to be a second option behind another more experienced CF, then and only then you make sense. Otherwise..... Nonsense.

In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.

In the real world though all of those clubs are above us in the table, and we are skint and have PSR issues ahead of us.

People keep talking about this experienced striker that we need to get, but who? We aren't going to be signing an Osimhen, Gyökeres, Isak type of player. All of them are going to be looking for enormous financial contracts at a time when we are trying to reset the wage bill. If that's the sort of player you think we are going to be signing this summer then prepare to be very disappointed. We've made it clear that we are building for the long term and signing those sort of players just isn't what we are looking to do.
 
In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.

In the real world though all of those clubs are above us in the table, and we are skint and have PSR issues ahead of us.

People keep talking about this experienced striker that we need to get, but who? We aren't going to be signing an Osimhen, Gyökeres, Isak type of player. All of them are going to be looking for enormous financial contracts at a time when we are trying to reset the wage bill. If that's the sort of player you think we are going to be signing this summer then prepare to be very disappointed. We've made it clear that we are building for the long term and signing those sort of players just isn't what we are looking to do.
Gyökeres is only 26 and entering his peak. He is a signing for now and the future. It's said multiple time by the INEOS team that while they would prioritise high potential players, it has to be a mix of current and future talents.

Now do they stick to their word? Time will tell.
 
Gyökeres is only 26 and entering his peak. He is a signing for now and the future. It's said multiple time by the INEOS team that while they would prioritise high potential players, it has to be a mix of current and future talents.

Now do they stick to their word? Time will tell.
They will on this as certain he joins Arsenal
 
Gyökeres is only 26 and entering his peak. He is a signing for now and the future. It's said multiple time by the INEOS team that while they would prioritise high potential players, it has to be a mix of current and future talents.

Now do they stick to their word? Time will tell.

He's 27 next month.

The fact he is entering his peak makes him less likely to come here. We are a mess! we aren't winning leagues or Champions Leagues any time soon.
 
He said he is good enough to start for us or Chelsea, he didn't say he was better than Isak.

Why is he good enough to start for united? There is zero evidence he is good enough. One season with 12 goals in the PL is not a ticket to be a starter at a huge club like united no.
 
He's 27 next month.

The fact he is entering his peak makes him less likely to come here. We are a mess! we aren't winning leagues or Champions Leagues any time soon.
No one can be certain about that. Sporting were a lost cause before Amorim. He has played under RA who got the best out of him. It's about making him believe in the project, we will most likely match any wage Arsenal/Chelsea are willing to offer.
 
I think the lose in this situation is we have another season with a starting striker not scoring enough leaving us struggling
Darren Bent was nothing like Delap as a player!

With Delap at £30m and relatively low wages is almost a no lose situation. Even if he doesn't quite make it here we could sell him to an Everton or West Ham in two years for a similar amount.
 
I think the plan is Cunha as the main striker at first, and then to ease Delap in. Cunha is the main signing up front for us this year I reckon. This lad is backup/development/rotation, and is a better option than retaining useless Hojlund for that.
Except that's not where Cunha is actually good.
 
We need someone who's top level, problem is we can't afford that
I do not agree with the claims we need someone experienced. For example, Weghorst and Ighalo were useless. We need someone that can score goals. It is pointless to buy a 30 year old just for the sake of “he has experience” if that player does not score many goals. So goal scoring ability should be the criteria and not simply
 
In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.

In the real world though all of those clubs are above us in the table, and we are skint and have PSR issues ahead of us.

People keep talking about this experienced striker that we need to get, but who? We aren't going to be signing an Osimhen, Gyökeres, Isak type of player. All of them are going to be looking for enormous financial contracts at a time when we are trying to reset the wage bill. If that's the sort of player you think we are going to be signing this summer then prepare to be very disappointed. We've made it clear that we are building for the long term and signing those sort of players just isn't what we are looking to do.

So the only options are someone who is okay for Ipswich or someone who will want 200k+ a week?

Do you have some kind of condition where you can only see teams at the top and bottom of leagues?

We're already in relegation form. Signing the top scorer from a club that just got relegated is probably not going to change that is it? It didnt keep Ipswich up.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with what I said. Its nonsense to suggest that even if he fails at United Delap will be able to be sold for around £30 million. Its more than he's worth now, so its paying for potential. If in 2 years he doesnt look like realizing that potential nobody will be offering that kind of money. Hojlund is a good example - 2 years ago he was valued a lot higher, hes failed here and how much do you think teams would offer for him now?

Lukaku is the only example I can think of where he was signed for a fee, didnt do what we hoped and then sold him for close to what we paid. I thought Van De Beek would be like that several years ago, we got next to nothing back. It doesnt work like that and thats when we're doing quite well. If we're in the bottom half of the table and a player has still failed at the club there isnt going to be much interest from teams who want to spend £30 million on a striker.
 
Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.
.... that he wants Newcastle to stay clear of Utd and Chelsea?

Tell him what, give us Isak and you take Delap. Let's see how that works out.
 
No one can be certain about that. Sporting were a lost cause before Amorim. He has played under RA who got the best out of him. It's about making him believe in the project, we will most likely match any wage Arsenal/Chelsea are willing to offer.

Based on his most recent comments I'm not even sure if Amorim will be here next season. If we lose the Europa final then I think it's almost certain that he goes in the summer.
 
Based on his most recent comments I'm not even sure if Amorim will be here next season. If we lose the Europa final then I think it's almost certain that he goes in the summer.
He said they need to be strong in the summer (Make changes) and if the mentality is the same in the new season someone else needs to be incharge.

He's not leaving whether we win or lose the final.
 
Why is he good enough to start for united? There is zero evidence he is good enough. One season with 12 goals in the PL is not a ticket to be a starter at a huge club like united no.

Have you watched us recently and what we have to put up with up front?
I’d kill for a striker to get 12 goals.
 
I'm sure Delap is not a reader of this or indeed other forums, if he is I'm sure he's charmed.

Money and the player's wishes will be the two factors deciding where he goes.

We (despite our own views) are not the most attractive option he is likely to get. The release clause plays very little part as there must be six other clubs at least willing to pay it. So wages and Delap's preference will decide.

There is even the (very unlikely) scenario that city, who have first dibs, buy him back to sell on for more.

Just because there are these return/release clauses it does not compel the player to go anywhere he does not wish. My fear is any player looking at the service and support our current team offer may consider other offers as being a better option.

He's not world class, and may never be better than quite good. I would be rather pleased to see a quite good player of his type leading the line next season.
 
In an ideal world Delap would go to an Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham or Bournemouth next season and we'd see how he got on there and look to sign him in a season or two if he kicked on.
This ideal world doesn’t exist anymore. With the amount of cash slashing around the Premier League, these kind of clubs no longer need to sell their better players for whatever they can get for them.

The amount of money to prize a player away from the club you’ve mentioned is significantly higher - Solanke from Bournemouth to Spurs, or even Cunha from Wolves spring to mind.

In these scenarios, the advantage of waiting has become less
 
Why is he good enough to start for united? There is zero evidence he is good enough. One season with 12 goals in the PL is not a ticket to be a starter at a huge club like united no.
Precisely why we need someone more experienced or another 10 with high goal output
 
Precisely why we need someone more experienced or another 10 with high goal output
This is where I am leaning. Cunha and another 10 with end product will take a lot of pressure off the CF position and will allow us to avoid buying the wrong player in this window and maybe address it the following year. If we can add 20 goals from other positions it will have a huge impact and if we have to rotate Hojlund/Zirkzee/Obi for another 12 months we may see better production from them when they are not being asked to do it all.
 
This is where I am leaning. Cunha and another 10 with end product will take a lot of pressure off the CF position and will allow us to avoid buying the wrong player in this window and maybe address it the following year. If we can add 20 goals from other positions it will have a huge impact and if we have to rotate Hojlund/Zirkzee/Obi for another 12 months we may see better production from them when they are not being asked to do it all.
That's why I prefer Mbeumo to Semenyo, he has delivered 18 league goals compared to only 9 from latter. Maybe someone could outline to me what Semenyo offers to us which Mbeumo doesn't. Maybe then I could understand the logic in going for him.
 
Yes thats possible, but when the likes of alan shearer think hes good enough to be starting CF for Utd or Chelsea, that tells us something.

That doesn’t tell us anything beyond what Alan Shearer thinks
 
So the only options are someone who is okay for Ipswich or someone who will want 200k+ a week?

Do you have some kind of condition where you can only see teams at the top and bottom of leagues?

We're already in relegation form. Signing the top scorer from a club that just got relegated is probably not going to change that is it? It didnt keep Ipswich up.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with what I said. Its nonsense to suggest that even if he fails at United Delap will be able to be sold for around £30 million. Its more than he's worth now, so its paying for potential. If in 2 years he doesnt look like realizing that potential nobody will be offering that kind of money. Hojlund is a good example - 2 years ago he was valued a lot higher, hes failed here and how much do you think teams would offer for him now?

Lukaku is the only example I can think of where he was signed for a fee, didnt do what we hoped and then sold him for close to what we paid. I thought Van De Beek would be like that several years ago, we got next to nothing back. It doesnt work like that and thats when we're doing quite well. If we're in the bottom half of the table and a player has still failed at the club there isnt going to be much interest from teams who want to spend £30 million on a striker.
12 goals from a striker for a relegated club with much lesser quality should in theory to translate to the same or more for us. He's 21and just made his debut this year.

Stylistically he suits this league too, which is a lot more than can be said to the lazy parallels you've made like Hojlund.
 
We'll likely finish 17th this season and one of our big moves to rectify our goalscoring problems is to buy a striker that started for one of the historically shit set of teams to be relegated. It seems like utter madness to me. No top 6 or top 8 rival would touch this guy.
 
Based on his most recent comments I'm not even sure if Amorim will be here next season. If we lose the Europa final then I think it's almost certain that he goes in the summer.
Amorim will start here next season regardless of the result in the final.
 
We'll likely finish 17th this season and one of our big moves to rectify our goalscoring problems is to buy a striker that started for one of the historically shit set of teams to be relegated. It seems like utter madness to me. No top 6 or top 8 rival would touch this guy.

You're questioning Ornstein? As reliable as it gets
 
We'll likely finish 17th this season and one of our big moves to rectify our goalscoring problems is to buy a striker that started for one of the historically shit set of teams to be relegated. It seems like utter madness to me. No top 6 or top 8 rival would touch this guy.
Yet Chelsea and Newcastle are being heavily linked.
 
He's a risk but then every SINGLE player in world football coming to OT these days is a risk. Nobody on here is comfortable with him as our primary source for goals next season, are they? That said, at 30 million, he has the potential to be a risk very much worth taking. I like his aggressive, confrontational style, I like his confidence, he doesn't seem to be the type of player that leaves no imprint on a game, does he?
 
Not to play as first choice though, you'd assume
Well he has more goals than their first choice striker whilst playing for a relegated team, so I would assume Chelsea would be at least considering him, unless they have plans to buy another striker too.
 
Well he has more goals than their first choice striker whilst playing for a relegated team, so I would assume Chelsea would be at least considering him, unless they have plans to buy another striker too.
I didn't really follow Chelsea this season, didn't Jackson have quite a good start this year?
 
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