Ibrahimovic already beat him there if I recall correctly, he had less distance covered than Victor Valdes in one of those Inter games.Wonder how the distance covered numbers will look like. Him vs Navas will make for interesting viewing.
Not sure of the reliability of those figures. You can go to uefa.com and work out the actual averages for yourself. Ronaldo - the centre forward - moves an average of 8.1km per 90. Messi, the midfield maestro, moves 8.3. I think the major difference between these two figures is that Messi aimlessly wanders further back towards his goal.
Great way to define Lionel Messi, "aimlessly wanders around". Imagine if he actually tried thenNot sure of the reliability of those figures. You can go to uefa.com and work out the actual averages for yourself. Ronaldo - the centre forward - moves an average of 8.1km per 90. Messi, the midfield maestro, moves 8.3. I think the major difference between these two figures is that Messi aimlessly wanders further back towards his goal.
Yep, one is a box player at the business end while Messi plays deeper and naturally has more ground to cover which he doesn’t really do.Not sure of the reliability of those figures. You can go to uefa.com and work out the actual averages for yourself. Ronaldo - the centre forward - moves an average of 8.1km per 90. Messi, the midfield maestro, moves 8.3. I think the major difference between these two figures is that Messi aimlessly wanders further back towards his goal.
He has been criticized for the same for years now, and hes just 6 days away from winning his 7th balon d or. Got the 6th not to long ago either.I don't have to imagine, I've seen it. That guy was the best player in the world.
Don't be ridiculous, he was the best player in history.Always said he was overrated. What’s he even achieved.
I'll admit I don't see too much of him. I've basically seen him in both games against City and that's it. In both games he just looked disinterested; not showing for passes, not closing down out of possession, just strolling about the middle of the pitch. He's still got such god given ability, though, that when he happens upon the ball he can produce beauties like that goal in the first leg. Once he's got the ball he still ticks, he just doesn't seem particularly arsed in getting it.He has been criticized for the same for years now, and hes just 6 days away from winning his 7th balon d or. Got the 6th not to long ago either.
He may be lazier now, but the word "aimless" just doesnt fit Messi's description.
oh I don’t disagree there, his league form especially has been below par. I just don’t think he was necessarily awful today but then again nobody on psg really shinedBro I love Messi and for me be is always the GOAT, but he has not been even 20% of himself, and I am not even talking about his peak. Just his form since 2019/29 seaosn.
If Lille wins the group, PSG can't get Lille. Ban hammer!!!He's been lazy and wandering for years, but comes to life when he gets the ball, he wanders into dangerous positions and seems to lull defenders to sleep at times.
It was fine at Barca because the teams were built around him. But stick him alongside two other "superstars" who also just want to attack, and you get a ridiculously lazy front three who sacrifice their teammates to the slaughter against good opposition.
PSG will struggle to get through the next round if they don't draw the winner of United's (sorry) or Lille's groups.
Cheers. That's why despite this game was unlikely to affect the qualification for both teams from the start, they took the game serious. Second place seems to have a tough tie in the first KO round.Aha, just named whoever was top of the group as its still pretty open, but you're right if it stays as it is I foresee PSG being in trouble with their options in the next round.
More to do with Ronaldo being exceptional than any issue with Messi IMO. Messi's dropped off at the age I would expect a player to drop off. Ronaldo is an exceptional specimen who has aged better than arguably any other player I've ever seen.Age has hit him harder than Ronnie and at a younger age
Though I suppose based on their physique it would be expected.
Barcelona 2011-2012 is the best team that ever played that is correct but Messi has continued to score against the best english teams long after that era. There are to my knowledge no striker/forward that are anywhere near to equal Messis goalscoring ratio against the PL big six and there are a few forwards out there that has been playing for decent clubs like Ronaldo, Salah, Kane for example. In fact Messi is even ranked 5th best goalscorer overall against PL big six clubs of all now active players despite not even having played a single PL-, FA-cup, or EFL-game.Are you really saying Arsenal is a legendary team ?!
Messi's 2009-2012 Barca is probably the best team in history, so your examples are not quite on par.
Looks completely lost interest with club football, I think he still works really hard for Argentina. Imo he'll probably retire after WCEvery time he actually had the ball, he looked threatening. Pulled off some good passes and made space well.
But as said previously, he’s just on the periphery of everything. PSG don’t flow their attack through him. Not getting the best out of him.
It’s a shame to see it.
That settles it then.Furthermore Messi has had the highest seasonrating at whoscored.com EVERY SINGLE SEASON since 2009/2010 when whoscored.com was launched. That is pure statistics from all the big leagues and surely you cannot state that Barca has had a bigger advantage in their domestic league every single year since 2009/2010 than Bayern, Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG, City or Liverpool has had?
No but it just gives an idea that Messi dominated every aspect of attacking football from key passes to goals to assists to dribbles to chance creation for more than 10 years, whether he had Xavi or Iniesta or Neymar or Suarez or Dani Alves, or if he didn't had any of them. He still was the same player, yes he had lesser goals post them, but when a player is almost the sole source of creativity, his goal scoring stats drop, which is natural, as seen with his Argentina career, where he has good goals stats, but not Barcelona Messi level. But you look at his Argentina creativity and dribbling stats, and you will see he is still dominating those stats.That settles it then.