You say that but there is absolutely nothing you can say that can discredit anything I just said.
I agree enough of the off topic.
Are you 10? Get a grip ffs.
uhh?Are you 10? Get a grip ffs.
I just don't understand this reasoning. Is it always Messi's fault when his team chokes when he does his job of scoring goals and creating chances? Ronaldo did his job last year in the CL, but it's not his fault that Juventus were schooled by a youth side in Ajax. It's not Messi's or Ronaldo's job to lead the defense.
Yes and no because if you have a 3-0 lead and a 4-0 lead as an example you as "the best player in the world" should take the game by the scruff of the neck and end any possibility of an embarrassment like the ones that happened. Back to back the same result and its also the body language he begins to sulk and waddle around the pitch. That to me though is not even my biggest Jibe. After losing a penalty shootout in a final for your country where you missed the penalty that causes your team to lose you then quit from your national team and say "feck it I quit". I don't care what anyone says that is weak and shows a lot about his mental fortitude. Not everyone is born with that mindset I mean look at Brady who is not even the most talented QB ever but he is undoubtedly the best QB of all time and it all stems from his mental fortitude.
It's fair enough, but this mythical player who scores the winning goals in every single knock-out simply doesn't exist.
He does not but do you think Messi gets no blame in a 3-0 and 4-0 lead being lost in back to back seasons? I think it is being very generous.
It is idiotic logic.
For simple thinking ya.
I'm not arguing with you. You think Ronaldo inspired Portugal to a Euro win from the sideline and that's a level of delusion I don't care to dip into this morning.
Answer this. Don't give me a long answer just say yes or no.. Would Portugal have been In the final without Ronaldo? If the answer is no then what you just wrote should be thrown in the garbage because you proved my point. If you say yes then the only deluded one is you.
Not if he's done his job. If Barcelona's defense turn into a joke it's not the team's nr 10's fault. This player that deliver's the CL on a platter every year doesn't exist. It took Ronaldo 5 years to win the CL with Real Madrid despite making 2 consecutive finals and winning one with Man Utd just before. Is that because Ronaldo bottled it or because it took time for Real Madrid to become a great team?
Do you think Argentina would have made it to a WC Final without Messi?
He had a grand Toal of 0 goals and I believe 1 assist in the knockout games so it can be argued yes thus the quality of Argentina.
Which question is that?He had a grand Toal of 0 goals and I believe 1 assist in the knockout games so it can be argued yes thus the quality of Argentina.
Ronaldo got Portugal out of the group stage* R16 goal came from his deflected shot* Scored the Penalty and inspired his teammates in the QF shootout something Messi knows nothing about think 2016* Scored in the Semifinal and his shot led to Nani goal for the 2-0 as well*
So let me get this straight he was the main reason they even crawled out the group stage and then the main reason they crawled to a final. Woah well look at that.
Also you never answered my question
So Ronaldo has not constantly taken his team on his back in the CL? Would Messi have scored the 95th min penalty vs Juve a few years ago? or would he choke?
Does Portugal make the final in the Euro without Ronaldo? I mentioned all his goals and chances created from him from group stage to the Semis in the last post.
Or more like does Portugal make it to the Final if we'd still be using the old rules?
No, they probably wouldn't. Nobody is denying Ronaldo's greatness. I am just saying that this flawless mythical player who wins every game on his own doesn't exist.
Mate I agree with that its all context I am saying in terms of the 3-0 lead and 4-0 lead choked saying Messi does not take blame in that is very generous and naive. Obviously him or no player cant decide every tie its not realistic but as Ronaldo did last year vs Atletico I don't think Messi has the extra layer of skin to lead a team back from a tie like that.
Messi has his share of the blame, but he was last years CL topscorer. He can't score a brace or hattrick in ever single knockout tie. To win every single title every single year.
There is no doubt that Ronaldo is the CL knockout all-time great. But it still took him 5 years to win it for Madrid. There are many factors to a team sport.Ronaldo did it for 3 years straight on route to a CL 3 peat so it can be done
I agree with that I am not denying it.
See, all these things have happened already and still, the vast majority of football fans thinks that Messi is the better player. There is not really a representative survey around of cpurse but so far every piece of evident, poll and so forth points in that direction. Why would that change after both have retired? What makes you believe that once both players hung up their boots a sudden shift in public perception will happen?
Messi is undeniably the better and more talented player but Ronaldo is the better leader and likes to be the star and centre of attention. I think what you mentioned is also pretty telling of Messi's "weakness" and that's his mental strength. One thing I also do notice is that Ronaldo seems to get more enjoyment when he plays for Portugal, he relishes the challenge and pressure and step up whenever it matters, but Messi doesn't seem to enjoy playing for Argentina, he sulks and strolls around when the chips are down.
I think it's true that Messi is not as much a natural leader as Zidane fx and maradonna when he played. But he's had the pressure of being expected to be the GOAT in every mattch and every season and score a about a goal a game. And he has pretty much delivered for over a decade. The same with Ronaldo. That's really requires insane mental strength. But for me he is more the team's magician than the captain. He is naturally a shy introverted natural genius.
This isn't basketball, my man...it's not 5v5. A single player's impact on a football field is far more limited on the overall flow of the game than it is with a game that has less players on the field. This just sounds like a straw man's argument to try and change the overall narrative that Messi will be remembered as the best player of his generation and CR7 will be second in most people's minds. It's not even about the trophies, or the stats (which Messi will eclipse CR7 in by the end of their respective careers whether you want to talk goals, assists, FKs scored, etc), it's just about being able to see a talent greater than the other on a game-by-game basis. Messi simply impacts the game more than CR7 but neither can be held responsible for how their team chokes and allows silly goals in.
Its not based on a season its based on a calender year. Excellent up until the CL semi's, his team since has gone off the boil, lost the Copa del Rey, Messi had a pretty poor Copa (one goal - a penalty), he's been injured for the start of this season.
I'm not sure anyone in Argentina or in Liverpool agrees with this statement. As usual he failed to deliver in CL in an important away game, as usual he failed to deliver for his national team.
He was Barcelona's best player by a mile, BTW who really failed to deliver was VVD in Barcelona, he was awfull in two of three goals.
Yeah, he really should've swapped positions with Pique and cleared that corner from Arnold. If I'm not mistaken he also still hasn't found a cure for cancer yet, the lazy little shit. I bet he won't prevent Trump's re-election either. Such a disappointment.
Do not forget global warming.
