Moscow for the Iceland game.Where was he in Russia?
No secret really, his club fell short in CL and his country weren't in contention for WC.Still the best player...
and not even in the top3 for ballon dor...such a joke
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Very good video.In my opinion, the best video is Messi vs No Space:
This is almost impossible levels of control, vision, balance, and decision-making.
I have absolutely no doubt that Messi is the best footballer ever. I saw Maradona, and quite honestly he was nowhere near, and definitely nowhere near in terms of consistency and longevity. Pele was obviously great in his own day, but couldn't do half the things that Messi does regularly. No-one else is anywhere close, or should even be bracketed with Messi as a footballer.
Could not have said it better.Moscow for the Iceland game.
Novgorod for the Croatia game.
St. Petersburg for the Nigeria game.
Kazan for the France game.
Why not?Why is there a new thread for this?
I’m not going to dragged into that argument again.Why not?
The best player of a generation if not ever. The more threads the better
Don’t turn this thread into THAT debate.I’m not going to dragged into that argument again.
IMHO not the best player of the generation, but very possibly the 2nd best player ever.
Out of curiousity have you warmed to Messi at all over the years. Do you even enjoy watching him play? It never came across as if you didI’m not going to dragged into that argument again.
IMHO not the best player of the generation, but very possibly the 2nd best player ever.
He suffers it. Btw hattrick today.Out of curiousity have you warmed to Messi at all over the years. Do you even enjoy watching him play? It never came across as if you did
Aye.He is by far the best player in the world.
By natural talent and all round talent yes, in terms on the big stage performances in the last couple of seasons then no. That would be Ronaldo.He is by far the best player in the world.
You know good and damn well this isn't the thread...By natural talent and all round talent yes, in terms on the big stage performances in the last couple of seasons then no. That would be Ronaldo.
Edit: Not looking to start a Ronaldo vs Messi debate again lol.
Of all time.He is by far the best player in the world.
It's preposterous he wasn't shortlisted for the UEFA POTY nor the FIFA POTY.What happened to the old thread?
Aye.
Best player I've seen.Of all time.
That's a boring discussion, really. For people who prefer Messi, it doesn't mean much that Cristiano scored more on the big stage. It is not about goals and even less about being enabled by your team to play finals and win titles.By natural talent and all round talent yes, in terms on the big stage performances in the last couple of seasons then no. That would be Ronaldo.
It just depends on your definition of 'best player' really. If it's in terms of ability, then I'd agree with you 100%. I prefered the younger Ronaldo, especially the dribbling one for us circa 2005-2008. And I'd agree that Messi is the better player, at times it looks like running with a ball is easier for him than running without.That's a boring discussion, really. For people who prefer Messi, it doesn't mean much that Cristiano scored more on the big stage. It is not about goals and even less about being enabled by your team to play finals and win titles.
In the same way, the Ronaldo of the last three to five years is worse than his 23-27 old self if you ask me. He just happened to play for a lesser team.
However, if your evaluation criteria lead you to the conclusion that Ronaldo has been better because of his goals on the big stage, our understanding of football is so fundamentally different that discussing this matter doesn't make much sense. It was close when Cristiano was still dribbling and wrecking havoc. IMO it is not close anymore.
Even when it comes to big game performances, yes, Madrid have dominated in the champions league the past several years, but it’s not like Messi is a flat track bully only picking on the lesser teams. He is a big game player who’s produced in so many big CL matches and league deciding games as well throughout his career, making fools out of the best players, so that argument doesn’t fly for me.That's a boring discussion, really. For people who prefer Messi, it doesn't mean much that Cristiano scored more on the big stage. It is not about goals and even less about being enabled by your team to play finals and win titles.
In the same way, the Ronaldo of the last three to five years is worse than his 23-27 old self if you ask me. He just happened to play for a lesser team.
However, if your evaluation criteria lead you to the conclusion that Ronaldo has been better because of his goals on the big stage, our understanding of football is so fundamentally different that discussing this matter doesn't make much sense. It was close when Cristiano was still dribbling and wrecking havoc. IMO it is not close anymore.