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Agreed that they should let him go BUT it doesn’t make sense for them to let him leave for free which is what Messi and his dad are requesting. Rightly so, why should Barca let their biggest asset ever leave for free.

Barca would possibly let him go if a realistic fee of around £100m was offered but that is not on the table as city are unable to do any deal if there is a large fee involved.
Oh I agree they shouldn’t let him go on a free. The reports are saying they want 700m and are refusing to negotiate anything else. Like you say he wants to leave and 100m fee is a good solution for Barcelona. That’s 150m including wages gained. Throwing that away for another 10 months of unhappy Messi is stupid and would be putting Bartomeu’s political motivations of not being the one to sell Messi ahead of the club.

I disagree on City. They’ll pay up. Again not necessarily for football reasons as spending 200m plus for 2 years of Messi at 33 is insane but purely because of the prestige and boost in profile of signing Messi.
 

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All this winning and losing talk seems bizarre to me. He's a legend of your club and at 33, it's understandable he might want one last change of scenery/sporting project. Sit down and work it out between yourselves. Or am I being naive and underestimating how much of a circus this pompous and self righteous club is?

He can't stay there forever.
 

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All this winning and losing talk seems bizarre to me. He's a legend of your club and at 33, it's understandable he might want one last change of scenery/sporting project. Sit down and work it out between yourselves. Or am I being naive and underestimating how much of a circus this pompous and self righteous club is?

He can't stay there forever.
They've really shown themselves to be very small time in my eyes with those whole charade. Their best ever player has given his whole career service to that club and they show their gratefulness by forcing him to stay when he wants a new scenary? Yeh the optics of that are coming off as small time.

Seemingly they got lucky they got one of the top 5 best players of all time and used that to gain a massive trophy haul in that period
 

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He wins if he gets exactly what he wanted sure? Which clearly was a board change and to stay at Barca?
He wanted a move, more control or the board to quit.
Nothing has happened? Bart was always going to lost the election, this doesnt really achieve anything.
It looks as if hes put in his place a little bit
 

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Barca is acting really dumb here. I generally like the idea that Messi ends his career there but if they were willing to negotiate, they could actually benefit from his departure.

At this point, Barca and Messi just don't fit anymore. Barca needs a rebuild that'll take them at least 2-3 seasons, Messi needs a functioning team in order to get his hands on another CL title.

It'll be interesting how this turns out. May also be a bluff by Messi. Barca won't want to lose him for nothing next season if they can make 100+m by selling him now.
 

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I hope the drama continues for as long as possible which should disrupt city's plan for the summer. Ideally this case goes to court and ends up with barca winning and messi staying. That would be a mess :D .
It's really not going to disrupt our transfer plans.

The plan going into the transfer window would have been a central defender (or two), a Sane replacement and maybe a left back. We've done two of those already.

Then, a couple of weeks ago, there arises the possibility of Messi signing for us. The club would be mad to not even consider the idea! However, as it really isn't a priority for us, if it doesn't come off then we've lost nothing at all. There's also no reason whatsoever that a potential Messi deal would impact on any other possible signings.
 

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They've really shown themselves to be very small time in my eyes with those whole charade. Their best ever player has given his whole career service to that club and they show their gratefulness by forcing him to stay when he wants a new scenary? Yeh the optics of that are coming off as small time.

Seemingly they got lucky they got one of the top 5 best players of all time and used that to gain a massive trophy haul in that period

Im far from anything pro Barca but look at it from Barcas point of view. They probably dont see it as them forcing Messi to stay, they are expecting him to honour the terms of his contract.

Rewarding Messi for being their greatest ever player by letting him go for free/low price thus ensuring they slide deeper in to the shit seems counter productive to me. (Personally think they should and completley rebuild but will they accept the short term pain?)
 

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Has City really offered 700M euros over 5 years?
they probably did, over 5 years its not a lot relatively speaking.. sheikhs reall
Im far from anything pro Barca but look at it from Barcas point of view. They probably dont see it as them forcing Messi to stay, they are expecting him to honour the terms of his contract.

Rewarding Messi for being their greatest ever player by letting him go for free/low price thus ensuring they slide deeper in to the shit seems counter productive to me. (Personally think they should and completley rebuild but will they accept the short term pain?)
thing is now, a a rebuild costs major money, if they do make money from a messi sale, every other club will want premium prices, just the way Liverpool mugged them with coutinho after they sold neymar- ironic though, considering barca played a part in overpaying for players.
how many players will 150-200m will buy? adding that they need more than 1-2 players... thye just dont have the finances..and i think messi realised that the ships sinking so off he went..
however only a small issue of his contract...any legal court will not side with messi on this one...your contract gave a specific date and he missed that date.. no past legal precedents will over rule that a date is a date on ink and paper...trying to say its the spirit of of the contract....wishy washy. if that was the case thats like saying im contracted to do 37 hours a week monday to friday but i feel like my week begins on sunday so i will work sun to thursday instead..
their justification is a paper thin one, that that date is normally end of season, judge will say, in that case you should have put that cavaet into the contract..
 
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they probably did, over 5 years its not a lot relatively speaking.. sheikhs reall

thing is now, a a rebuild costs major money, if they do make money from a messi sale, every other club will want premium prices, just the way Liverpool mugged them with coutinho after they sold neymar- ironic though, considering barca played a part in overpaying for players.
how many players will 150-200m will buy? adding that they need more than 1-2 players... thye just dont have the finances..and i think messi realised that the ships sinking so off he went..
Take Lautaro Martinez as an example. They didnt buy him for 111 million euro when they could, can you imagine what Inter would ask for now if they knew Barca had 150/200 million from Messi leaving :lol: :lol:

Either way they are screwed with this wholesale rebuild overnight they seem to be aiming for.

Even if they dont sell Messi any club Barca try to buy from should fleece them anyway and justifibly claim Barca could be in for a Messi related windfall after buying from them. :lol: Serve them right after messing up fees for everyone else with the Dembele/Coutinho transfers anyway.


Heres a question, if they had lost to Bayern 1-0 or 2-1 (you know a normal scoreline, not being destroyed 8-2) would things have gotten as bad? Obviously there were problems there already but they seem to have lost the plot completley.
 

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It's really not going to disrupt our transfer plans.

The plan going into the transfer window would have been a central defender (or two), a Sane replacement and maybe a left back. We've done two of those already.

Then, a couple of weeks ago, there arises the possibility of Messi signing for us. The club would be mad to not even consider the idea! However, as it really isn't a priority for us, if it doesn't come off then we've lost nothing at all. There's also no reason whatsoever that a potential Messi deal would impact on any other possible signings.
You're right.
What's at stake is a near guaranteed league title. Must be quite tantalising to have it look so doable, then all this "nah i'll stay" business edging it back into not happening territory.

Good to see another club have a tedious drawn out saga!
 

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What a puss.. Knew he wouldn't have the balls to try a new league out. Go continue to dominante one of the easiest & lopsided leagues in football.
 

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I'd argue that 199 points in two back to back EPL seasons is a greater achievement than winning the French league and making it to the final by beating Dortmund, Atalanta and Leipzig in the knockout stages - actually, it's much more impressive. Yes, PSG didn't have the chance to replicate that since they don't play in the EPL but as it stands, they bought Neymar and Mbappe and only achieved things they would've achieved regardless. So yeah, among the 3 or 4 top spenders among clubs, City has done best. You keep saying "it's all down to money" when this proves it is obviously not the case but suggests they've been managed better than the other 3. And again, the fact that there are clubs that are successful without such expenditures doesn't mean that City is managed worse. I gave you the example of Dortmund which stole two league titles and one cup from Bayern during a phase in which they made the CL final 3 out of 4 years. Does that mean that Bayern wasn't well run during that time? Of course they were, they implemented a philosophy in their club, pursued a long term vision and operated accordingly.

You keep saying "it's all down to money" which is obviously and undeniably wrong since there are other clubs which had expenditures in similar stratospheres which weren't nearly as successful by doing so. If it actually was all down to money, then they would've been able to buy the same kind of success City had - yet they didn't. Suggesting that City doesn't act differently to the others is also factually wrong. To this date, City's record transfer is KdB with 76m. They didn't participate in the transfer madness that saw supposed world class talents move for 100+m. Ultimately, that was Barcelona's downfall and PSG also has a very imbalanced squad in which Neymar and Mbappe play alongside Choupo-fecking-Moting and Thilo Kehrer. That's bad resource allocation. Also City had a vision from the very beginning of Begiristain's appointment. They wanted to ingrain Barcelona's philosophy into their club, play the same brand of football and bought accordingly. Can you sincerely claim that this is true for United, Barcelona or PSG? Actually I'd say there are only two top clubs in the EPL which have such a clear idea of how they want to play and which kind of players they need: City and Liverpool. City is one of the very few clubs that understood that this shared philosophy is the facilitator of great football and ensures that the sum of a team becomes greater than the sum of it's parts. That's what's innovative for me. You may say that it isn't but should be the basics for every top club out there but unfortunately, most still prefer to gather a number of good individuals and hope they work out together.

Money is the enabler but if it isn't spent wisely it leads to nothing.
Your PSG vs. ManCity evaluation makes no sense whatsoever in a "quality of club management" comparison. The fact that the PL is a more difficult to achieving championship (which it clearly is) has no relevance in the context if PSG has done worse or better than ManCity, because no matter what, they can`t compete in England. So the only metric available is to compare their success in relation to their domnestic counterparts and
And in the actual direct comparison metric available, the champions league, they have done better than City because they have actually reached a final. And claiming that beating Dortmund, Atalanta and Leipzig does not count for much because its an easy path is a bold claim given that City in recent years has gone out to Monaco, Liverpool, Spurs and freaking Lyon.
I can`t believe I`m actually making a case for PSG of all clubs, we`re going in circles anyway; I see you`re already back to feeding off the bullshit claims of philsophy, innovation and vision.
City is one of the very few clubs that understood that this shared philosophy is the facilitator of great football and ensures that the sum of a team becomes greater than the sum of it's parts.
I mean, stuff like this has parody vibes. They don`t need a shared philosophy to ensure a sum of a team if the sum of it`s parts is already Europe`s most expensive assembled squad by transfer costs. But I guess it`s great advise for football managers not to buy a player for 150m but three squad players for 50m each, cause that`s innovation and shows that your success is not down to money.
 

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There was me thinking ,in these Covid 19 times,that this transfer window would be underwhelming.
 

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How come we are allowed a Messi transfer thread when he's clearly not coming but we aren't allowed a Kanté thread when he's actually available?
 

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What ? I thinks its been entertaining.
Also,we dont exactly want Messi signing for City,do we.
I dunno, just knew the way this was heading from the start, just felt it was much of a muchness.

Needless Distraction.

I think he’s a complete Cnut for what he’s done as well. I’m not comparing the player but remember the shite Rooney got for threatening to switch teams, this guy has taken it to the extreme.

No player should drag his team through the mire like this, let alone a club legend. Regardless of his stance on the board. Get back in your box Leo lad!
 

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I dunno, just knew the way this was heading from the start, just felt it was much of a muchness.

Needless Distraction.

I think he’s a complete Cnut for what he’s done as well. I’m not comparing the player but remember the shite Rooney got for threatening to switch teams, this guy has taken it to the extreme.

No player should drag his team through the mire like this, let alone a club legend. Regardless of his stance on the board. Get back in your box Leo lad!
Oh for sure. From the outside it certainly looks like Messi has Barca wrapped around his little finger.
 

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I dunno, just knew the way this was heading from the start, just felt it was much of a muchness.

Needless Distraction.

I think he’s a complete Cnut for what he’s done as well. I’m not comparing the player but remember the shite Rooney got for threatening to switch teams, this guy has taken it to the extreme.

No player should drag his team through the mire like this, let alone a club legend. Regardless of his stance on the board. Get back in your box Leo lad!
Maybe even orchestrated distraction?
 

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Im far from anything pro Barca but look at it from Barcas point of view. They probably dont see it as them forcing Messi to stay, they are expecting him to honour the terms of his contract.

Rewarding Messi for being their greatest ever player by letting him go for free/low price thus ensuring they slide deeper in to the shit seems counter productive to me. (Personally think they should and completley rebuild but will they accept the short term pain?)
But Messi has a clause in his contract to be able to leave for free at the end of the season but Barca won't honour that.

Due to covid there's a legal hurdle with that - I assume the contract has it as a date rather than worded end of season (as end if season in legal turns is open to interpritation even if the intention is it being the end of the season which i guess is what Messi's camp will be arguing) but no one knows.
 

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Belcher is a Barca tier 1, sounds like the club will have another legal battle on their hands unrelated to Messi...

Shambolic club
 

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MES QUE UN CLUB showing everyone the huge disgrace that they are..

Once upon a time they believed their story and chanted it because they had the GOAT and an incredible nucleus of great players play some of the best football the world has ever seen.

But it’s really a small time club getting lucky.

Shit mentality.

Shit Que Shit Club
 

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So when do we either get announcement Messi has commenced legal proceedings against Barcelona to enforce his contract clause or that he's staying?

Aren't any other options here I think.
 

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So when do we either get announcement Messi has commenced legal proceedings against Barcelona to enforce his contract clause or that he's staying?

Aren't any other options here I think.
Bechler says Messi will respond to La Liga's statement about his 700M clause today. Really hope it finally moves in one direction or another.
 

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Reuters have announced that Messi has decided that he is to stay at Barca. What a surprise.

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Whoops
 

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I really hope city put all their efforts into Messi (of course they will while they believe it can be done, it's Messi ffs)

And that they really believe he's coming to them.

And then Messi decides to stay on October 4th.
 

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Jorge Messi answers to la liga saying that Messi doesn't have 700m€ clause
 
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