Not as good as Maguire when he came in in my books
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I understand the idea behind putting Maguire on but I have to say, I'd rather keep Licha on for the entire game. Who cares about potential aerial bombardment.
Just outstanding.
Just outstanding.
His passing today 10/10
This guy is the best player we have.
Flawless game.
He is the best player we have on the ball.
He is the best player we have on the ball.
At least we know how quick he is by the way he caught up with Waldcott, although I'm guessing he's not as quick as he used to be
The little fecker needs to teach every other player in this side how to retain the ball under pressure. And how to fecking make short accurate passes too
My MOTM. Fecking class. Great turns, great composure, great forward passing, great decision-making. Puts in a shift as always when the chips are down.
Only saw the second half, he was excellent. Best defender and best passer.
Some poor sod from southampton got absolutely mugged by him today. He is wild 
With Ward Prowse firing all those quality balls in, Maguire on late on was genius.
He cleared a couple of balls straight after no-one else would have done.
Walcott at his peak was borderline 100m sprinter pace, and even 10 years later he's still quicker than most. So it was an impressive recovery run to keep up,
His best work is on the ball though, great passing, great under pressure. Needs to be at times with some of De Gea's passing!
Absolutely flawless again. It's mental how regularly he has faultless performances. Also he is the best passer in the squad somehow. His passing, whatever the distance, is majestic.
The only player who can pass consistently without giving the fecking away carelessly
His composure and technical ability really are ridiculous. So many situations where most would have panicked he just calmly steps across and takes the ball off the attack, does a little turn and plays a brilliant pass to a teammate. He’s in a class of his own.
He's really more of a winger or full back with his agility, balance and technical ability
Amidst all the chaos he’s still amazing on the ball. Can we sign two more of him - for our midfield?
Calm, composed, good incisive passing, knows when to dribble and hard defending when needed. Best player of our season.
He should be POTY so far
He's the best all around footballer we've had since Rooney or Carrick.
Unreal on the ball today. He seems to have eyes on the back of his head. Even when he received the ball under pressure he knew exactly where to turn, and his passing was just outstanding.
He was really good today
Incredible today, in defense (Except that missed header aside) and with the ball. So damn calm.
Need to get more players like him. He sticks out by far as the player most comfortable on the ball. Its only him and Shaw that I feel confident in that they won't lose it in tight situations.
He is probably the most composed defender we've seen in a very long time. He does things sometimes and he has no right to keep the ball yet he comes away with it.
He would've slotted into that early 2010s Barca team no problem.
He is one of the most press-resistent CBs currently playing. And next to a rolls royce like Varane, it really is a great partnership. However, I think it is the full backs that are letting the team down at the moment. Since the Shaw CB experimenet - where he was great - he has not been the same at LB. Sloppy and lazy. On the other side, Dalot has not been the same since his injury and AWB always has a mistake in him. Neither RB is good enough long term. The fullbacks are doing average in defense and offering little going forward... or not enough to pin teams in. I think AWB and Antony are doing a better job at pressuring teams with the press than Rashford and Shaw are on the left.
I dont disagree, not comparing him to any of them as Lindelof as always been poor in my opinion before he came here and never progressed to bang average even, Maguire I never bought into with other potential options at the time, Bailly I like....Marinez definately looks on another level to all of them, anybody can see that. It's just, it has been only seven months and many, myself included knew little of him before he came, too early to laud him too highly even though as I said myself, I think he coul dbe the best signing we have made post Ferguson....we are basically saying the same thing
Keeping in mind his really early yellow card, that was even more impressive. Really good on the ball and such a fighter
With Casemiro red carded AGAIN I think he gets into top 2 most important players this season.
Top class and imperious on the ball and turns. He’s Frenkie **** Jong in central defence
I think now is the time for a Licha return to DM and Shaw back to CB until Case returns. Pair him with Sabitzer and we could go through these games unscathed.
I’d say 3rd best player after Maguire and Lindelof.
His ability to get out of tight spaces and make the right decision is unmatched.
Not a bad shout at all
I've said many times I will call it as I see it with all players. Unfortunately for Martinez's detractors, he's regularly come up with mostly above average to extremely good performances with the medium thus far this season being 'really good'. I probably come across as bias to you because I've rated Lindelof's performances in the past as mostly below average to above average, with the medium being 'as average as it gets'; in the wider context, with him being in the team after so much experience/years, playing so many games and yet not really improving, it means I rate him as 'poor', period. There's probably no correlation there at all I'm sure.
If you read my post, aerial stat as to 'getting to the ball first' is only one of many varied aspects of aerial capacity. There are lots of other ways to measure that, which you simply have to use your eye to see as there isn't one available such as 'direction of the header' or 'momentum lost or gained' from the situation. It's like saying a player is a better passer of the ball because they have a higher completion rate; it can mean something but only one very specific aspect. It's disingenuous to use one stat to summarise one entire area of a player's attribute. I put my money where my mouth is and gave him a numerical score. For example, Lindelof may 'win' more headers, which simply means he gets to the ball first but he is 100% below Martinez for me when it comes to aerial capacity/effectiveness on the pitch when playing for Man Utd.
As for weaknesses, not sure why there's a sarcastic remark, I already said there wasn't a lot I disagreed with your post, even if some parts are harsh for me i.e aerial and positioning, where I think he is very good. He's not perfect. He doesn't have raw pace, can find himself getting caught up too high and yes he was a bit iffy when covering runs earlier in the season but has learned/improved a lot on that end with today's game being another example. Other than that, I find most of his 'issues' negligible e.g for someone 'below average' in the air, he is rarely if ever dominated in it and doesn't concede cheap headers or position because of it. Getting to a header can be as important as dictating where or how the ball ends up. It'll be interesting to see where Martinez's 'lost' headers are because I highly suspect it's in open play towards the middle of the pitch, where he usually never lets the opposition win it cleanly or do anything with it (noted he did misjudge one in the 1st half today).
My template isn't so much about how we rate Martinez, it's for you and @TMDaines to rate him against Lindelof/Maguire. If your standards and criticism are consistent then it should show in your rating of those players.
This is what we should have done the first time Casemiro got suspended and I agree with you that this is what has to be done going forward but I doubt Ten Hag will do it. He's still too naive.
I mean he played him a few times as a DM in the Netherlands and didn’t think he was good there. So it’s not naïvety
Between his dribbling ability to bring the ball forward a lot when we are pressing up to the half way line, his ability to pick out the pass not many center backs would see and his high IQ, how did we manage to grab a player for so little.
He's leagues above any center back we've had in the past 10 years (bar Varane!)
I'd say he could fill in at CDM for 3 games with no issues, no harm in try to be honest. What have we to lose, its either that or Fred will do his usual while casemiro is out, run around with no plan.
He's leagues above any center back we've had in the past 10 years (bar Varane!)
I'd say he could fill in at CDM for 3 games with no issues, no harm in try to be honest. What have we to lose, its either that or Fred will do his usual while casemiro is out, run around with no plan.
I just don't see it with him. I mean what is he good at, aside from passing, tackling, heading, blocking, dribbling, and leading? We need to start playing Lindelof.
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