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I didn't say that they didn't just that Frank (and his coaching/ analytical staff) felt that they got joy from targeting Martinez and Shaw and decided to replicate that (Maybe due to the players at his disposal).Brighton got way more joy from targeting the space behind Maguire last match compare to going after Martinez this match.
Bullied is the narrative sky sports are pushing. Are you surprise, it’s become the description of what happened there.He should be played with Varane, I thought he did fine today, unfortunate slip for the goal. Mee was basically falling over himself and managed to be in the right place for the ball coming down, hardly 'bullied' Martinez. He has not shown anything that suggests he is a liability.
Oh, yeah, that I agree on. I think the 3rd goal alone is enough to justify that concern. It wasn't a mistake, more down the physical disadvantage he has.I didn't say that they didn't just that Frank (and his coaching/ analytical staff) felt that they got joy from targeting Martinez and Shaw and decided to replicate that (Maybe due to the players at his disposal).
I didn't think he was "bad" at all (in fact I've never said a bad word about Martinez) but I think some posters concerns are justified.
Other than both teams we’ve played so far deciding they’d get some joy by repeatedly pinging long balls towards him and, as it turned out, getting lots of joy by repeatedly pinging long balls towards him?He should be played with Varane, I thought he did fine today, unfortunate slip for the goal. Mee was basically falling over himself and managed to be in the right place for the ball coming down, hardly 'bullied' Martinez. He has not shown anything that suggests he is a liability.
I don't recall any Brentford 'joy' from them doing that today, aside from the goal, which I've already mentioned. You seem to have made your mind up on him already, that much was clear after last week's game.Other than both teams we’ve played so far deciding they’d get some joy by pinging long balls towards him and, as it turned out, getting lots of joy by pinging long balls towards him?
The goal he conceded at the far post was just the cherry on a very worrying cake…
I have no dog in this fight. I want him to be a great success. I’m just giving my opinion on his performances. He was mediocre in his first game. Worse today. And he’s obviously being targetted. That’s a problem.I don't recall any Brentford 'joy' from them doing that today, aside from the goal, which I've already mentioned. You seem to have made your mind up on him already, that much was clear after last week's game.
Malacia is 5 feet 7 (1.69 m). Martinez is 5 feet 9. And you want to play them together? What do you expect to happen?Needs to be played alongside Varane & hope that Malacia kicks on if he’s to have any chance at CB for us.
Simply put you could play a Stoke type at LB & Martinez will be targeted but the only chance he has at CB is with players around him playing better.Malacia is 5 feet 7 (1.69 m). Martinez is 5 feet 9. And you want to play them together? What do you expect to happen?
And the story goes that the club wanted torres but were overruled by ten hag.We could have got Skriniar for 5m more. We could have got Torres for same price. So far it doesn't seem like its money well spent.
It's a bit like when teams used to shoot long range at De Gea because he had a wobble in the first few games.Anyone see Thomas Frank's interview post game? Pretty interesting. Says they targeted martinez on purpose due to his height.
Simply put you could play a Stoke type at LB & Martinez will be targeted but the only chance he has at CB is with players around him playing better.
I can only see him at DM personally but if he’s to thrive a CB we need to do more on the ball & have him defending less.
Shaw at LB is how tall & did what exactly?
I actually blame DeGea the most for this goal. Just like the first 2 he’s made bad choices and bad mistakesI think if you're blaming him alone for the 3rd goal/problem at set pieces you're letting people off the hook who shouldnt be
Watch again. Thats Eriksen's man running off him at the back post, he doesnt go with him and then Dalot loses the header against him. Thats what puts the ball into the 6 yard box area dropping towards where Lisandro has gone back to the goal line. Goalkeeper was blocked on first cross and never gets back into a good position for when the ball goes back towards his goal from the Brentford player.
At that point Lisandro doesnt know where the ball is and he doesnt attack it to try and win it like the attacker, who does so and puts it in. At that point having gone to the goal line and with the keeper not being in position, and with the ball being allowed to be headed into that area he needs to clear the ball. And he fails. And its not convincing defending at all. Its his mistake.
But it doesnt excuse the process of mistakes before that from Eriksen, Dalot and De Gea that led to him needing to make the clearance.
Surely LVGs is Di Maria or Depay?Might be the signing synonymous with the manager's time/failure at the club.
Moyes - Fellaini
Van Gaal - Schweinsteiger
Mourinho - Lukaku
Ole - Maguire
ETH - Martinez
A terrible start. Those funds should have been used in midfield or attack.
Bastian was completely past it as LVG was, so I went with that.Surely LVGs is Di Maria or Depay?
Bastian felt like barely a footnote
Can you explain how he was as bad as you're suggesting today? The 2 things that come to mind for me are the goal, which was unlucky(he would clearly have got a head on it if he hadn't slipped), and a tackle he tried to make on the sideline that he missed, but the ball went out of play.I have no dog in this fight. I want him to be a great success. I’m just giving my opinion on his performances. He was mediocre in his first game. Worse today. And he’s obviously being targetted. That’s a problem.
I’m not sure what you’re argument is. Persist with Shaw because although he’s crap he’s fat? Players don’t often need to push Shaw around cause he’s hardly ever in touching distance.Shaw is 6 feet 1. And he is fat, you can't push him around. He has different problems but he cannot be mauled.
My argument is that you can't play Malacia and Martinez at the same time. They will be mauled.I’m not sure what you’re argument is. Persist with Shaw because although he’s crap he’s fat? Players don’t often need to push Shaw around cause he’s hardly ever in touching distance.
I get the worry about height, I have it too but I’m done seeing the same players produce the same results. Martinez will either fail completely or be a DM in this league but whilst we’re persisting with that experiment we may aswell try other things also.
They wouldn’t get mauledMy argument is that you can't play Malacia and Martinez at the same time. They will be mauled.
this was all so obviousLet’s hope this guy is got the DCM role in his locker, cos he is gonna get monstered by some on the big CFs in this league.
I knew he was short, but he looked ridiculously small to be playing CB in the Prem.
I think Ivan Toney is gonna give him serious problems next week.
Why do you think he was subbed after 45min?Can you explain how he was as bad as you're suggesting today? The 2 things that come to mind for me are the goal, which was unlucky(he would clearly have got a head on it if he hadn't slipped), and a tackle he tried to make on the sideline that he missed, but the ball went out of play.
How has playing Shaw & Martinez at the same time worked out?My argument is that you can't play Malacia and Martinez at the same time. They will be mauled.
I wrote my opinion on Martinez last week and many people disagreed... (perhaps I was too critical and direct, but still ... )How has playing Shaw & Martinez at the same time worked out?
I get your argument but we’ve seen the alternative so what would be the harm in trying RB-Varane-Martinez-Malacia? Again I think Martinez will have to be a DM in this league eventually or play in a back 3 but until that day comes Shaw shouldn’t start just because he’s fat.
He was constantly losing out in physical battles every time their forwards were hit with long passes. And every high ball into our box caused chaos because we only had one CB who looked like heading the ball clear (and a complete fanny in nets but that’s for another thread). It got to the point where whenever we conceded a fecking throw in it was a huge threat for Brentford.Can you explain how he was as bad as you're suggesting today? The 2 things that come to mind for me are the goal, which was unlucky(he would clearly have got a head on it if he hadn't slipped), and a tackle he tried to make on the sideline that he missed, but the ball went out of play.
No he wasn't. BLIND was an average player for us in one of our worst sidesBlind had severe heart issues. I'd take pre heart problems Blind any day over Martinez. He was a class act.
Toney is not the only person that is bigger than him. He got bullied by Jensen for their third goal. I stopped watching the game after 40 minutes so can’t say after that.Did not get bullied by Toney once.
(I think Toney/Martinez had one real duel/fight. In the beginning of the half. Around 10-11 min. Martinez did great and won.)
That side would maul this side.No he wasn't. BLIND was an average player for us in one of our worst sides
He was constantly losing out in physical battles every time their forwards were hit with long passes. And every high ball into our box caused chaos because we only had one CB who looked like heading the ball clear (and a complete fanny in nets but that’s for another thread). It got to the point where whenever we conceded a fecking throw in it was a huge threat for Brentford.
All of which explains why he got the hook after 45 minutes. He was shite and didn’t deserve to come out again after half time.
Beat me to it. It amazes me the stupidity on here. LVG football was boring as hell but he beat City, Liverpool and other good teams regularly.That side would maul this side.
