So you think every decision from officials is always correct and that is the definitive answer?
Okie dokie
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So you think every decision from officials is always correct and that is the definitive answer?
Okie dokie
Very good again. Giving him a bit of license to go forward and get involved suit's him.
Nope, I just think that you and many here just don't get that two footed isn't an automatic foul, and it clearly wasn't in this case, the ref and VAR just agree with such notion. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and just move on.
A bright spot in a dark period for United. Think after Bruno he's the only one that I can see put in a decent cross or play a slide rule pass or score from outside the box. Which is both a compliment and an indictment how bad the United attack is currently.
Brilliant with the ball in recent games. He looks really focused and fired up again like he was in his first season. The World Cup and injury really took it out of him.
I get what you are saying, it's just that modern day those tackles are a big no-no. I was surprised Fulham players didn't make more of it.
What was that celebration 
I thought the over the top praise was clear enough not to require the white text
Fair enough! I’ve read some praise of that goal earlier and it made me question everything…I thought the over the top praise was clear enough not to require the white text
Maybe we should play him as one of the 10s.
Because the play was pretty clear for everyone in the pitch.
I trully get the general sensation, I get that that stance have been used to do some dammage in the past many times, I get that Licha is hot blooded, but that particular play today? it was right in many senses and more when taking in account who was going after him and how Traore was the entire match pretty feisty against him and Traore got the message.
What was that celebration
It's a dance made by some Old Cumbia singer, probably he has put his music in the lockeroom? dunno.
He’s guaranteed to get a red for that sometime because you’re not allowed to protect yourself that way, it’s excessive force, the only variable that needs to change is where the opponent’s foot is planted and that’s not something Licha has any control over. There are lots of examples of two footed stamps leading to red cards. The definitive factor isn’t whether the player was going for the opponent, there doesn’t need to be intent to harm for it to be a red, excessive force is all that’s needed. It is straightforward in that you simply don’t need to use that much force to achieve that outcome. Doing it to protect yourself is not a legitimate explanation.
Fantastic strike, even if with a slight deflection
Ah right. It looked somewhat .. naughty.
All the time I was talking about the play itself, I'm not talking about past plays, or future ones. And BTW two footed stances are not fouls per se at all either.
It's part of football, in this particular situation Traore thought that play twice and didn't comitt himself entirely and arrived later and made the foul. The message was: "if you hit me, if want to run over me., we are not getting either of us healthy out of this" It's calculated, it's even mean, no doubt, yet it's not rushed like when literally a player goes after another player, it's not silly, at least this time in the way he did it.
If in the future he wants to make damage, with one or two footed stances, he might get in trouble but that would demand to analyze that particular play. In this case, he didn't do anything wrong, he was clever, save the moment, his body and even earn a foul.
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All I’m saying is the standard you’re applying - he didn’t go after the player specifically to cause damage - isn’t the standard for a red card these days. It was 30 years ago in England, maybe it is in South American football now, but in the Premier League there have been plenty of red cards simply for using “excessive force”. That’s what they refer to in the rules. In many cases the player was obviously going for the ball and missed, and it was a red. The only thing that that needed to change here was for Adama to plant his foot in a different spot and Licha would get sent off. That’s not a smart move.
Nor you and me are in front Adama going after you and with their prior history, football it's played in the moment, for the good and bad and he solved it pretty fecking right given the circumstances.
At the end of the day, what are we even discussing here? when he actually won the ball, didn't hurt Adama and earn a foul and Traore is the one that actually hurt him.
If he got carded, injured, etc etc I'll get it more, even if being in that place of waiting for Traore is an entire diff proposition than most players going after anyone, but WTF, not even Fulham protested that much. What's all the fuss about?
BTW I'm not saying that you are implying this: yet what are we actually doing here? talking about things that didn't happen just to later say that he is a little Rojo?, making a fuss of one play that he got entirely right to demerit a very good overall perfomance becasue "he has flaws". dunno man, it's getting silly at this point. For real it was a lot more silly his protest to Fulham players for not sending the ball away when Ugarte fell and lack of focus it implies, than that particular play
We are discussing a pattern of needlessly dangerous challenges from Martinez that he needs to cut out as he risks at best getting a red card and at worst injuring a player and getting a ban.
You are trying to frame this as Adama trying to run through him viciously, that didn't happen.
I think most people were saying he’s a crazy little fecker and this is another example of it. Many find that an endearing quality, while at the same time worrying about it leading to him spending a few games out. Personally I think he should choose his moments better, and usually he does. This year he’s been more frustrated like most of them and he’s gotten a bit reckless. He should do that less. No big deal.
A lot of the time he’s the only player that wants to move the ball forward, so I want him on the pitch for every minute.
I get it, but the Rojo narrative many try to push here I think it's too much (trust me I still has to deal with that fella being a Boca fan).
He'll always had that extra edge (for the good and bad), like some players have, like Roy for instance, he'll have his nasty side.
Yet in terms of doing it wrong, I think when happens it has more to do with him not being entirely fit and the whole desperate enviroment of nowdays Manu. In fact on the other side of the coin, some of Licha´s more timid and lack of front foot appearences this season had more to do with him not wanting to be in the infirmary again than anything else, him being more fesity, nasty is a good sign in such regard.
Stupid wreckless tackles, long range strikes.
He's evolving into Rojo.
He's evolving into Rojo.
touche!I think he's been playing better defensively for a few games now, but then again, we're back to defending deep lately, which is where most of our CBs excel. The real question has always been whether they would fit into a high line if, or when, we consistently play that way.
Assisted for the goal on Thursday, scored a winner yesterday, only puts those who would sell him to shame and he'll continue to do it.
Yeah, how dare he take a long range strike which ends up as a goal.
I enjoyed his 'assault' on Collyer just as much as his goal and celebration.
funny beef they got going
Moronic tackle and don't see how it is being defended. If he gets that wrong or the opposition over reach into his landing area it is at best a ban or at worst a bad injury.
His intent is irrelevant - Got no time for it.
Shame as he has contributed well recently.
His intent is irrelevant - Got no time for it.
Shame as he has contributed well recently.
he's the last footballer you'd pick to have a beef with really
fair play
fair play
i doubt that Martinez post is real
I wouldn't sell him in the short term, but I still think he'll need to be upgraded in maybe 2 seasons, after we've rectified other problem areas.
Yes, he's been very effective as an attacking entity in recent weeks, 2 goals v Liverpool & Fulham, 2 assists v City & Rangers, which has been crucial with an attack that is not really functioning.
But earlier in this thread I identified examples where Martinez's lack of pace, height and just some very poor defensive play contributed, in whole or in part, to the concession of 8 goals since the start of December.
So while his good form going forward is welcome, the defensive performances will need to improve over a sustained period. As Roy Keane would say, "that's your job!"
Agree ultimately. I lamented earlier that it sucks that he's a midget, because he has some very high end ablities in certain areas and especially on the ball he's world class for his position. But we shouldn't aim to have a team of these types of players that are really good at "one thing" but have clear deficiencies elsewhere that have to be covered up, especially in defense. We've been dealing with "covering up" for our defenders going back to buying Maguire for 80m and then trying to surround him with pace because he turns and runs like a slug. With Martinez, he struggles in those wide areas when isolated on attackers and isn't good in the air, and ultimately those issues will haunt us enough to sort of cancel out his brilliance on the ball in the long run.
Not the first issue to tackle with the squad obviously, but in the long run I don't see him being part of any sort of "rebuilt" United side.
He is one of the very least problems United has since time and operates in such enviroment even with quite a lot of injuries involved with the best of attitudes.
What United has to do, it's find a more functional, more high profile team, in order to get the best of what they already have with great quality, not the other way around.
Why? he's 5'8 at best 150lbs soaking wet, with a little bit of hot headedness in a controlled environment. He ain't El chapo bro
Think he meant Adama Traore.
Agreed.
His defensive part fell a bit but I think its due to injury and he's getting back to his best in last few games imo.
FCSB 0:2 Man Utd
Was basically the entire creativity of the team all by himself in the first half. His passing is outstanding.
Felt like he was one of the few bright sparks in the extremely boring first half. Looks more and more confident in a role that looks perfect for him on paper.
Started to look more himself. Hope it continues
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