[RedDevilCanuck]

He was literally back to his best just before his injury. He was our best defender and second best attacker at the same time.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Boone will buy him this summer, so we have him for another year. Hopefully by then he’s firmly just a squad option.

Even when fit, he’s never got back to that good form of his first season.

Yeah, i know about this summer, but once he's able to walk, wrap him in cotton wool and get him on the chopping block.

 

[USREDEVIL]

He was literally back to his best just before his injury. He was our best defender and second best attacker at the same time.

Sounds like Luke Shaw.
Injured, out
returns
form recovers
injured, out
retrruns
form recovers
etc.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He was literally back to his best just before his injury. He was our best defender and second best attacker at the same time.

He had a few good moments.

 

[Gordon S]

Yoro looks impressive yet again ay LCB. Looks to be a more complete defender than Licha imo.
When he is fit again, is that position his after all and Yoro is moved to the RCB? Or can we play Licha somewhere else..?

 

[tomaldinho1]

Yoro looks impressive yet again ay LCB. Looks to be a more complete defender than Licha imo.
When he is fit again, is that position his after all and Yoro is moved to the RCB? Or can we play Licha somewhere else..?

To be honest, I hope at some point we just see Yoro/De Ligt as a pair, Dorgu LB and hopefully sign an RB this summer. The way we played yesterday, in possession Bruno dropped into the CB slot a lot, the more I watch us the more I hope Amorim cedes a little and adds another CM rather than sticks to 3 CBs. So in possession it is 343 but more like 433 when defending.

 

[Fobal]

Yoro looks impressive yet again ay LCB. Looks to be a more complete defender than Licha imo.
When he is fit again, is that position his after all and Yoro is moved to the RCB? Or can we play Licha somewhere else..?

Yoro has been adquiring experience more than anything, it's incredible that in this thread Yoro has been impressive and Licha just had a few good moments. Anyway, to each to its own, the kid might end being good, his size and age it's quite appealing.

Amorin might be here, or not in the future, yet even staying, yet for me what looks that suits United better it's a 4 men defense. Regardless of what he would do if Licha recovers, if Yoro explodes or whatever.

 

[phonics_tid]

Weird bump after that game but did I see Licha on the pitch at the end of the game? If it was him, seemed to be walking without any protection or crutches. Wonder what th e prognosis is for him at this point.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I saw him as well - all the Portuguese/Brazilian gang cracked up when they saw him.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Weird bump after that game but did I see Licha on the pitch at the end of the game? If it was him, seemed to be walking without any protection or crutches. Wonder what th e prognosis is for him at this point.

Yes that was him. Butcher sighting confirmed.

 

[phonics_tid]

I saw him as well - all the Portuguese/Brazilian gang cracked up when they saw him.

Yes that was him. Butcher sighting confirmed.

Would be great to get an update on him soon and hopefully get some sight of him on the pitch in the new season

 

[Red Royal]

Good he is walking but let him take whatever time he needs.... he is not in out top 3 CBs

 

[UnitedSofa]

Good he is walking but let him take whatever time he needs.... he is not in out top 3 CBs

No? Why not?

 

[NLunited]

Good he is walking but let him take whatever time he needs.... he is not in out top 3 CBs

Yoro - De Ligt - Martinez

Who‘s better?

 

[bosnian_red]

Weird bump after that game but did I see Licha on the pitch at the end of the game? If it was him, seemed to be walking without any protection or crutches. Wonder what th e prognosis is for him at this point.

Regular people get off crutches after like 4-5 weeks post ACL surgery and start jogging after about 3 months. Still takes 9 months for professional athletes to play again and realistically a year or a bit longer til they play well and confidently. His injury was early February, so I'd assume he'll feature in our squads by December/January, then take a few months to get back into form and fitness or just be used cautiously until the 26/27 season depending on how we are doing.

 

[phonics_tid]

Regular people get off crutches after like 4-5 weeks post ACL surgery and start jogging after about 3 months. Still takes 9 months for professional athletes to play again and realistically a year or a bit longer til they play well and confidently. His injury was early February, so I'd assume he'll feature in our squads by December/January, then take a few months to get back into form and fitness or just be used cautiously until the 26/27 season depending on how we are doing.

Hoping he’s on the same recovery as Amad and comes back before that 9 month point but didn’t look hopeful when he was first injured. I still think he’s our most important player after Bruno so getting him back, hopefully with no problems, will be a big help next season

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Regular people get off crutches after like 4-5 weeks post ACL surgery and start jogging after about 3 months. Still takes 9 months for professional athletes to play again and realistically a year or a bit longer til they play well and confidently. His injury was early February, so I'd assume he'll feature in our squads by December/January, then take a few months to get back into form and fitness or just be used cautiously until the 26/27 season depending on how we are doing.

That 9 months isn’t set in stone. An Irish rugby player has been back playing (and playing well) 6 months after his ACL repair. A lot depends on how much damage gets done to other structures in the knee (cartilege etc)

 

[2 man midfield]

Good he is walking but let him take whatever time he needs.... he is not in out top 3 CBs

In his current state or…?

 

[bosnian_red]

That 9 months isn’t set in stone. An Irish rugby player has been back playing (and playing well) 6 months after his ACL repair. A lot depends on how much damage gets done to other structures in the knee (cartilege etc)

Yeah it happens of course, same with that one NFL player years ago. Its just rare. Feel like assuming the average of 9 months to a year is fair usually, especially isn't this his 2nd reconstruction on the same knee? Not sure on the extra complications of that (it's forever my fear of happening to myself). I'll see it as a bonus really if he does anything before the new year.

 

[Red Royal]

No? Why not?

Yoro - De Ligt - Martinez

Who‘s better?

In his current state or…?

I would have Mazaroui, DeLigt and Yoro as first choice

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I would have Mazaroui, DeLigt and Yoro as first choice

Agreed. Also Maguire is needed as the 2nd CCB - obviously Martinez can’t do that role, and would have Shaw and Heaven above him as well.

He’s just not good enough, and not suited to the system. Like his attitude and his passion, but that’s nowhere near enough. Yoro last night is exactly what we need from the outside CBs. Martinez offers no flexibility either, as he cannot play either of the other CB roles or at a wing back.

Extremely overrated by some United fans. He doesn’t have a future at United, hopefully we can get a few quid for him in Jan 26.

 

[NLunited]

Agreed. Also Maguire is needed as the 2nd CCB - obviously Martinez can’t do that role, and would have Shaw and Heaven above him as well.

He’s just not good enough, and not suited to the system. Like his attitude and his passion, but that’s nowhere near enough. Yoro last night is exactly what we need from the outside CBs. Martinez offers no flexibility either, as he cannot play either of the other CB roles or at a wing back.

Extremely overrated by some United fans. He doesn’t have a future at United, hopefully we can get a few quid for him in Jan 26.

We need more than three top cb‘s. I agree Maz is a good option, so we have four. Potentially five with Heaven knocking on the door.

Martinez is the best out of all of them in progressive passing, by a distance.

 

[Todd]

Martinez should basically be viewed similarly to Shaw at this point; nice to have when he's fit, but don't count on him being a regular.

Not his fault by any stretch but I just worry that he's going to be plagued by injuries for his entire career.

 

[LeonDion]

When fully fit he’s absolute quality. Not sure if he will be when he’s back from this injury though

 

[FerociousCorgis]

think i agree with the thought that we have to essentially view him now as shaw. If he gets fit, great. Just can't count on him as a sure thing/starter role. Maybe a slight bit more likely than shaw to be healthy, but not by much really.

 

[2 man midfield]

I would have Mazaroui, DeLigt and Yoro as first choice

Fair enough. I’d have Martinez over Mazraoui (but there isn’t a lot in it) and play Maz in either of the wing back spots. I’ll admit Amorim doesn’t seem to fancy him there though. His long term future is probably at centre back, and i don’t think he’s much of a downgrade over post injury Martinez.

 

[Bobski]

I don't see him as a starter in this system. One of his major weaknesses is defending the wide spaces that this set up invariably pulls him into, he just doesn't have the mobility to cope. Can not have gone unnoticed how much more secure Utd have been from defensive set pieces in his absence either.

Super ball player, but a mediocre defender.

 

[NLunited]

I don't see him as a starter in this system. One of his major weaknesses is defending the wide spaces that this set up invariably pulls him into, he just doesn't have the mobility to cope. Can not have gone unnoticed how much more secure Utd have been from defensive set pieces in his absence either.

Super ball player, but a mediocre defender.

Not losing the ball is the best defense.

And Licha is aggressive on the ball, he‘s definitely not ‚a mediocre defender‘. Combined with his leadership qualities, it more than makes up for his vulnerabilities (his height and defending larger spaces).

 

[phonics_tid]

Think there’s some serious under rating of our boy here. It wasn’t long ago that Pep was saying he was one of the top 5 defenders in world football, don’t think many in the is forum were disagreeing with him at that time. Obviously a huge question mark though of whether he can get back to that kind of level again after this injury.

 

[arthurka]

Thought he was absolute bobbins this season. Let's hope he can come back stronger.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Thought he was absolute bobbins this season. Let's hope he can come back stronger.

Like every player then.

 

[Teja]

Feel like he'll go the same way as Blind or Darmian or Mkhi. We sell him for cheap and randomly see him a few years later in the CL SF looking perfectly comfortable.

The PL is a weird league. I wonder what would happen if England imported refs from Europe and enforced European refereeing standards. I think one random administrative decision like that changes the whole game in England.

 

[Utterly De Ligt'd]

Think there’s some serious under rating of our boy here. It wasn’t long ago that Pep was saying he was one of the top 5 defenders in world football, don’t think many in the is forum were disagreeing with him at that time. Obviously a huge question mark though of whether he can get back to that kind of level again after this injury.

Martinez is one of my favorite players, just love his attitude and his first season he was one of the top CBs in Europe. Having said that, he was not playing well this season, with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 of his last performances before his injury. This season his lack of pace seemed way more obvious and then he would overcompensate by making rash challenges.

One thing Martinez brings that we really miss is his line breaking passes out from the back, he has an incredible range of passing that would suit Amorim's system.

 

[arthurka]

Like every player then.

When put like this, yes.

 

[Big Ron’s Coat]

Fair enough. I’d have Martinez over Mazraoui (but there isn’t a lot in it) and play Maz in either of the wing back spots. I’ll admit Amorim doesn’t seem to fancy him there though. His long term future is probably at centre back, and i don’t think he’s much of a downgrade over post injury Martinez.

I’d go as far as to say no one has looked better in defense under Amorim than Mazraoui has at RCB.

 

[pocco]

Feel like he'll go the same way as Blind or Darmian or Mkhi. We sell him for cheap and randomly see him a few years later in the CL SF looking perfectly comfortable.

The PL is a weird league. I wonder what would happen if England imported refs from Europe and enforced European refereeing standards. I think one random administrative decision like that changes the whole game in England.

Will the refs prevent him from being physically outmatched by players who are a bigger than him and faster than him? Because his issues this season have been nothing to do with the refs. Same for Damian, Mkhitaryan etc.

 

[TheReligion]

I’m sure there’s some strange rewriting of history going on here or short term memory loss.

Martinez was quality this season in the games leading up to his injury. He finally looked settled in the new system and was one of our best performers.

 

[Dominos]

I’m sure there’s some strange rewriting of history going on here or short term memory loss.

Martinez was quality this season in the games leading up to his injury. He finally looked settled in the new system and was one of our best performers.

He had good and bad games throughout the season. Maybe he was on a better run of 3 or 4 games leading up to his injury, though I remember fans not being impressed with his performance against Southampton.

The principle problem is judging these players on their performances game to game which can vary, rather than asking if they actually have the attributes to be a consistently elite player in our starting 11 in their position. A centre back who is slow and beaten easily in the air is just not what we need, and that's exactly why his performances vary game to game - in some games his major weaknesses get exposed, and some games they don't. Trying to compensate for lack of fundamental physical attributes is not a viable long term strategy for bringing us success.

I'd be surprised if any top half PL side would sign Martinez to play CB for them at this point, being above average on the ball just isn't worth the trade offs that come with it.

 

[damoley]

Regular people get off crutches after like 4-5 weeks post ACL surgery and start jogging after about 3 months. Still takes 9 months for professional athletes to play again and realistically a year or a bit longer til they play well and confidently. His injury was early February, so I'd assume he'll feature in our squads by December/January, then take a few months to get back into form and fitness or just be used cautiously until the 26/27 season depending on how we are doing.

I had my second ACL (same knee) done about 10 days ago, just ditched my crutches and walking slowly but fine, think my first one was similar. 4-5 weeks seems excessive, 3 months on the jogging feels about right though. Glad Licha is about and moving as he should, hopefully comes back as strong as he was.

 

[bosnian_red]

I had my second ACL (same knee) done about 10 days ago, just ditched my crutches and walking slowly but fine, think my first one was similar. 4-5 weeks seems excessive, 3 months on the jogging feels about right though. Glad Licha is about and moving as he should, hopefully comes back as strong as he was.

You fit he'd both crutches after 10 days?! I had one on each knee, second time there was a little complication so was longer but first they wanted me to stay on crutches ~4-5 weeks just to encourage proper walking progression so you don't train a limp. You could probably struggle through I guess to get off crutches much sooner but seems risky for form and stability?

What'd they say about the impact of the 2nd repair on the same knee? Guess also matters what they used, I had the patellar graft for both so that probably plays a part. Not sure what's seen as the strongest/most reliable/best recovery or what athletes would get.