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Full Name: Lisandro Martínez
Date of Birth: Jan 18, 1998
Nationality: Argentina
Height: 175cm
Squad Number: 6
Position: Defender - Centre-Back
Foot: Left
Player Agent: Score Futbol
Contract expires: Jun 30, 2027
Contract option: Option for a further year​
 
I think when playing 3 at the back you either have to choose -

  • 2 Ball playing defenders out wide with a sweeper type strong defender in the middle
Or

  • 2 strong tacklers either side of a CB that can progess the ball out from the back & pass

Whilst our players like Yoro, Heaven & De Ligt are generally good on the ball to play as the wider CB's -

I do wonder what would happen if we play Martinez as our CCB.

He has experience in playing in DM and is possibly our best defender with the ball at his feet.

De Ligt - Martinez - Yoro
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For example would make the CCB dictate the play from the back with Yoro & De Ligt concentrating on defending.

Right now we play someone like Maguire who isn't good with the ball at his feet and can be pressed. Our wider CB's are our primary creators from deep. Yoro has also said he prefers playing from the left.

I'd like to see how Martinez plays as the CCB, I'm wondering if his height as a LCB is a problem. If he is protected either side of two destroying CB's then Martinez could almost play like a CB playmaker.
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I thought it said realistically until late this year/early next year - but then he's training in the gym already so maybe sooner. We have loads of CBs, he needs to ensure he gets 100% before risking coming back again so I don't mind if he's out that long.
 
Injured in February, surgery later than that, even Rodris super charged recovery wouldnt put him on track for anytime soon. I would say maybe a League Cup return mid-late November at earliest.
 
SER19 said:
Injured in February, surgery later than that, even Rodris super charged recovery wouldnt put him on track for anytime soon. I would say maybe a League Cup return mid-late November at earliest.
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How long was Rodri out ?
 
Jay-Z Roc-A-Fellaini said:
I think when playing 3 at the back you either have to choose -

  • 2 Ball playing defenders out wide with a sweeper type strong defender in the middle
Or

  • 2 strong tacklers either side of a CB that can progess the ball out from the back & pass

Whilst our players like Yoro, Heaven & De Ligt are generally good on the ball to play as the wider CB's -

I do wonder what would happen if we play Martinez as our CCB.

He has experience in playing in DM and is possibly our best defender with the ball at his feet.

De Ligt - Martinez - Yoro
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For example would make the CCB dictate the play from the back with Yoro & De Ligt concentrating on defending.

Right now we play someone like Maguire who isn't good with the ball at his feet and can be pressed. Our wider CB's are our primary creators from deep. Yoro has also said he prefers playing from the left.

I'd like to see how Martinez plays as the CCB, I'm wondering if his height as a LCB is a problem. If he is protected either side of two destroying CB's then Martinez could almost play like a CB playmaker.
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The issue there would be De Ligt in a wide centre back role. Ideally we would have someone quicker and more comfortable in those areas but who is still aerially dominant to compliment Martinez in the middle.

Still think we should try him there even without another signing.
 
Red00012 said:
How long was Rodri out ?
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8 months I think, from injury date, so not from surgery date. And even then he's been touch and go since. Not one to rush.

EDIT- in fact a little less after checking, injured very end of september and returned mid may.
 
He's one injury upon return away from being a sad "what could have been" story.
 
For me he is no longer a starter, even if he overcomes his injury. Heaven and Yoro are better than him.
 
Blood Mage said:
For me he is no longer a starter, even if he overcomes his injury. Heaven and Yoro are better than him.
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Agree. He is one of my favourite post Ferguson United players but long term he shouldn’t be a starter. Wish he had a bit more pace and mobility and he would be a great defensive midfielder.
 
Think it is incredibly premature to call Heaven better. After less than 10 matches worth of football. Barely any matches on European or international level.

So far we have seen a higher bottom from Heaven than Martinez, which also is a function of the number of games he has played. However an in form Martinez is fundamental for United, we have seen that under EtH and Amorim. United is at its best when Martinez is.
 
Still think this guy is a defensive mid. Not tall enough to play CB in this league.
 
Blood Mage said:
For me he is no longer a starter, even if he overcomes his injury. Heaven and Yoro are better than him.
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Based on a handful of games? Martinez is a level above on the ball and we need him badly if we are to play out from the back and fulfil Amorim’s tactical ambition.

I’ve read recently that he paid for life saving brain surgery for an 8 year old. The other day I saw a waitress who had no idea who he was tipped over a grand just because he was ‘blessed’ with wealth beyond his means. The guy is a class act on and off the pitch, a proper leader and someone that we should all hope comes back stronger than ever. We are a better team when he is on the pitch and a better club for how he conducts himself off it
 


Could be back as soon as September.
 
Will be interesting to see what Amorim does with Martinez as he brings things to the back 3 that no one else does. Can he stay fit and how important is he to the tactical system?
 
surf said:
Will be interesting to see what Amorim does with Martinez as he brings things to the back 3 that no one else does. Can he stay fit and how important is he to the tactical system?
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I think he's pretty important to it. The brightest we looked under Amorim was probably in January, when Martinez was starting to figure out when to step forward and contribute to the attack. We went to Anfield and should have won, knocked Arsenal out of the cup away, and the only game we lost that month was against Brighton when Martinez didn't play.
 
Martinez is close to returning to first team training according to reports, which imho is brilliant news. He'll be crucial as the CB who will be stepping up into midfield to support build up play and provide some protection against quick counters.
 
zenith said:
Martinez is close to returning to first team training according to reports, which imho is brilliant news. He'll be crucial as the CB who will be stepping up into midfield to support build up play and provide some protection against quick counters.
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I look forward to him as an option but I think hes more likely to be a liability against quick counters, much like Maguire. I think he looks particularly exposed covering wide areas in this system and will probably come back even slower than he was previously.
 
zenith said:
Martinez is close to returning to first team training according to reports, which imho is brilliant news. He'll be crucial as the CB who will be stepping up into midfield to support build up play and provide some protection against quick counters.
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He's probably our best defender at playing the ball from deep into the 10s and Sesko which should help a lot.
 
zenith said:
Martinez is close to returning to first team training according to reports, which imho is brilliant news. He'll be crucial as the CB who will be stepping up into midfield to support build up play and provide some protection against quick counters.
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Really like having him in the side for this reason. In certain types of games, I still think he could be part of our strongest line-up, once he is back to fitness. Having a left-footed LCB also gives a whole level of balance.
 
Red Rash said:
He's probably our best defender at playing the ball from deep into the 10s and Sesko which should help a lot.
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Agreed, the versatility of pass is what differentiates him. Think of the difference between the Amad assist vs City, the assist vs Rangers for Bruno + the amount of times he just negates a press by zipping it into Bruno or Case's feet. If he is genuinely back and fit, he is really key.
 
We were playing some half decent football, well, getting results at least when he found a bit of form.
 
Does have weaknesses, but for the past few years we have played our best football when he was fit and in form, far more important to our play than some realise.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
Based on a handful of games? Martinez is a level above on the ball and we need him badly if we are to play out from the back and fulfil Amorim’s tactical ambition.

I’ve read recently that he paid for life saving brain surgery for an 8 year old. The other day I saw a waitress who had no idea who he was tipped over a grand just because he was ‘blessed’ with wealth beyond his means. The guy is a class act on and off the pitch, a proper leader and someone that we should all hope comes back stronger than ever. We are a better team when he is on the pitch and a better club for how he conducts himself off it
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He doesn't need to be levels above on the ball, he needs to be mobile and have a good turn of pace, Heaven is better suited to the role. Martinez has always had issues tracking and keeping up with players, when he has large aeras to defend. Even Shaw is better suited. Our current playing central defenders aren't the issue with our system.
Not sure where he has a place in the current system. Mentality wise he's someone you'd want in your team, but physical attributes wise, not so much.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Does have weaknesses, but for the past few years we have played our best football when he was fit and in form, far more important to our play than some realise.
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I don't think many people don't realize it, it's just he has a much larger sample size of games were he's injured than a run of games where he plays well. There should be absolutely no doubt in anyones mind that he is an exceptionally gifted ball playing defender
 
I wonder if we'll see him used as the CCB. Might help accomodate his lack of pace. Aerial duels may be an issue.
 
One of the best United players when fit. Needs to be back to his best and if he can actually come back to his best and how long will it take is the worry. Proper footballer, has the right skills to succeed if he can stay injury free.
 
Silas said:
I wonder if we'll see him used as the CCB. Might help accomodate his lack of pace. Aerial duels may be an issue.
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The CCB absolutely has to be dominant in the air. Martinez will never ever play there.
 
FriedClams said:
The CCB absolutely has to be dominant in the air. Martinez will never ever play there.
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Can you shed some more light on this? Why does it have to be the CCB?

Couldn't it be that Martinez takes up the forward pushing role, that keeps Heaven as a LCB and Yoro as a RCB, where he takes up the role of a 6 and Mainoo/Bruno take up the roles of two number 8's.
 
FriedClams said:
The CCB absolutely has to be dominant in the air. Martinez will never ever play there.
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Also the reality is that wherever Martinez is on the pitch, that is where the opposition will put their big, fast striker/winger, and they will target him all game either in the air or in behind for pace.

The idea that we can 'hide' him is for the birds. He either comes back surgically enhanced with robo-tendons, or he'll continue to struggle on the defensive end. The latter is more likely.
 
Red Rash said:
He's probably our best defender at playing the ball from deep into the 10s and Sesko which should help a lot.
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If he's playing on the left, with Cunha operating as a left 10, his ability to play those line breaking passes into feet could be huge asset in getting Cunha on the ball in the mid to final third.

It's an understated quality.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Can you shed some more light on this? Why does it have to be the CCB?

Couldn't it be that Martinez takes up the forward pushing role, that keeps Heaven as a LCB and Yoro as a RCB, where he takes up the role of a 6 and Mainoo/Bruno take up the roles of two number 8's.
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Because more often than not he will be defending the middle of the box. He doesn’t get caught out as much with long balls from the goalkeeper due to his height, but if he’s in the middle dealing with targeted crosses to a tall CF it’s game over.
 
You can't have an aerial dominant in the box CCB that's also good at moving in to midfield to play as a pseudo cdm.

Amorim keeps pushing up deligt or Maguire to cdm when both have limited ability on the ball.

Martinez has experience both as a CB and a CDM. His passing is great.

Tell Martinez to be the CCB coordinator and let the wider CB' focus on defending. The wider CB'S are good enough on the ball anyway so it wouldn't disrupt our flow.

Yoro making them darting runs needs to be slowed down whilst letting martinez be the one who moves more in to midfield.

It's what Amorim wants in his tactics but he chooses the wrong type of player.
 
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