Really disappointed by the reactions on a United forum for one of our players getting hurt. Not just in here but the WC final match thread too. This must be related to the England-Argentina match resentment.
I think you’re way off the mark mate.Yep, it's to do with the Malvinas banner.
Some simply want rid of him because he was involved in it and his injuries are just an excuse.
Quite a few probably wish him harm just to further their cause.
Truly despicable stuff.
However, saying that, he is injured a lot. Same with Shaw and de Ligt. A serious offer should be considered for all three.
Nothing is the sort. You are a disgrace for saying it is.Yep, it's to do with the Malvinas banner.
Some simply want rid of him because he was involved in it and his injuries are just an excuse.
Quite a few probably wish him harm just to further their cause.
Truly despicable stuff.
However, saying that, he is injured a lot. Same with Shaw and de Ligt. A serious offer should be considered for all three.
Have to agree with this.I think you’re way off the mark mate.
You’d struggle to find anyone British under the age of 50 who even slightly gives a shit about those islands.
I didn’t even know until reading this thread Licha had anything to do with the banner.
The frustration in here will 99% be down to his getting injured (yet again) heading into the season and his general unreliability. The reactions are out of order, and over the top - but they’re nothing to do with “the cause” whatever the feck that is.
There were plenty who wanted him gone even before the WC.
What is it with people bringing fecking politics into discussionsYep, it's to do with the Malvinas banner.
Some simply want rid of him because he was involved in it and his injuries are just an excuse.
Quite a few probably wish him harm just to further their cause.
Truly despicable stuff.
However, saying that, he is injured a lot. Same with Shaw and de Ligt. A serious offer should be considered for all three.
Why does it need to be taken in isolation?A hopefully minor muscle injury after playing around 8 games in a short space of time is not that bad. This injury needs to be taken in isolation. I really hope he is back and ready early in the season as he is one of our best current CBs and, it seems to me he loves battling for United.
Because one of the biggest injuries he had was his cruciate ligament, caused by a bad tackle.Why does it need to be taken in isolation?
He can't stay fit.
If you get the chance to discard him for anything like a decent transfer fee then you do so immediately.Because one of the biggest injuries he had was his cruciate ligament, caused by a bad tackle.
I agree he has more injuries than most, but let's not just discard him when he could even be back ready for the opening day.
Exactly.I think you’re way off the mark mate.
You’d struggle to find anyone British under the age of 50 who even slightly gives a shit about those islands.
I didn’t even know until reading this thread Licha had anything to do with the banner.
The frustration in here will 99% be down to his getting injured (yet again) heading into the season and his general unreliability. The reactions are out of order, and over the top - but they’re nothing to do with “the cause” whatever the feck that is.
There were plenty who wanted him gone even before the WC.
A hopefully minor muscle injury after playing around 8 games in a short space of time is not that bad. This injury needs to be taken in isolation. I really hope he is back and ready early in the season as he is one of our best current CBs and, it seems to me he loves battling for United.
What is it with people bringing fecking politics into discussions
Out of the three considering that we renewed Maguire, Martinez would be the most easiest to shift as nobody is going to be interested in De Ligt
Tbf, if you read some of the reactions in the thread after the England game, there were indeed some who said he shoumd never play for United again, explicitly because of that. Some of them also replying about getting rid of him in this thread after the final. So the poster you are calling disgraceful is not the one bringing this to the table.Nothing is the sort. You are a disgrace for saying it is.
Just read the threads on him before the WC or before that game.
He’s a divisive player, and yes it’s down to his injuries and the fact he’s played lass than 50% of games over four years.
No one wants him injured, but it felt inevitable.
You need to reassess yourself.
Nobody is going to want De Ligt until they know how he has recovered from his back injury. Martinez picks up niggles and is out for two-three weeks.Absolutely.
However, despite him giving his all, his injury record is unfortunate and it will encourage selling him on.
I hate it as much as you do, Andy, believe me, but there it is.
They even had to move a thread on this forum into the 'general' section after a politically charged pile-on after Wednesday's result.
Simply delusional (or worse) to think some, not all, people 'want rid' because of his role with the banner.
The only (justifiable) reason we'd sell Licha is the injuries, so I'd have to disagree nobody would want de Ligt, as we'd be selling for exactly the same reason.
They'd fetch similar prices, too.
Speaking of which, Maguire isn't shy a few injuries. We have rotten luck with defenders.
I doubt it's a deliberate policy that we want to continue. It's just how things have fallen in terms of what players we had that needed replacing due to performances and contract situations. It was mostly our defence a couple of years ago, then it was obvious our entire attack needed to be ripped apart and completely rebuilt last season (combined with the fact there were a couple of good options available that wanted to come), and now with Casemiro's contract come to an end AND Ugarte now having had two seasons to prove he's not an option (even before his injury) it's now mostly our midfield.Our policy of only signing players in one position each summer will prove counter productive.
Absolutely should be peppering defence, midfield and attack with new players each summer - instead we'll be held to ransom for midfielders this summers and defenders the next.
I don't think that's fair. It's probably more accurate to suggest that a lot of world football fans, especially England, Egypt and Spain fans, have a bad taste in their mouth over the whole Argentinian squad, to be honest. Forget the Malvinas flag, I'm sure many don't really give a feck about that unless you were personally affected in the 80s or are a gammon. They were just horrible, dirty sore losers. Martinez less so, but still involved.Yep, it's to do with the Malvinas banner.
Some simply want rid of him because he was involved in it and his injuries are just an excuse.
Quite a few probably wish him harm just to further their cause.
Truly despicable stuff.
However, saying that, he is injured a lot. Same with Shaw and de Ligt. A serious offer should be considered for all three.
He’s far less important, because he simply cannot be relied upon. Now is a good time to bring in a replacement, as Maguire will leave next season, and the future of MDL is undetermined.I think Martinez is one of our better footballers and I would be really disappointed to see him leave.
Given we have Heaven coming through, who needs decent minutes to aid his development, we could quite easily manage Martinez’s minutes with Heaven playing regularly too to lighten the load. Could be the ideal set up for the next few seasons until Heaven is ready.
Replacing what Martinez offers immediately would cost us a fortune and probably not worth it currently, seeing as we have more pressing squad gaps.
We have been terrible at selling players when their stock is highest. Martinez is a great player but if a substantial bid comes in, it would make sense to sell.He’s far less important, because he simply cannot be relied upon. Now is a good time to bring in a replacement, as Maguire will leave next season, and the future of MDL is undetermined.
We could easily be in a position next summer where we have 2 perma crocks in Martinez and MDL, and Maguire having left, along with Shaw. We would then be in serious trouble.
Replacing Martinez with someone reliable is the most sensible option, and most forward looking.
Exactly. It’s the reality we need to trade players.We have been terrible at selling players when their stock is highest. Martinez is a great player but if a substantial bid comes in, it would make sense to sell.
Why? He is barely ever available for usI think Martinez is one of our better footballers and I would be really disappointed to see him leave.
Given we have Heaven coming through, who needs decent minutes to aid his development, we could quite easily manage Martinez’s minutes with Heaven playing regularly too to lighten the load. Could be the ideal set up for the next few seasons until Heaven is ready.
Replacing what Martinez offers immediately would cost us a fortune and probably not worth it currently, seeing as we have more pressing squad gaps.
I’ve already said why in my original post.Why? He is barely ever available for us
A stop gap can do that and will actually be available when we need him. We risk having to play Heaven in a crucial game and then see him being annihilated by it. A humiliating performance can ruin a kid
Not really no. Kids are meant to be protected and they should be introduced slowly to the first team not thrown in the deep end simply because our first team CB is rarely available at club level. I recently listened to Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes interview and they basically attributed their success to the veterans around them in the first years of their career. Veterans are there to bail kids out not viceversaI’ve already said why in my original post.
I’m afraid that is professional football at the highest level, it will always be sink or swim.
Yeah absolute little shitbagDon't care about the banner but throwing that sucker punch yesterday.. what a cnut.
What a cnut. Not bothered about the banner, but can’t stand people who throw sucker punches. Should be sold for that.
As much as I rate the guy, he's only available for half a season if we're lucky, even then he's playing to get up to match fitness so we rarely have him at full capacity.
Opting to extend his contract will be interesting.
Any footage of that?What a cnut. Not bothered about the banner, but can’t stand people who throw sucker punches. Should be sold for that.
Any footage of that?
What a cnut. Not bothered about the banner, but can’t stand people who throw sucker punches. Should be sold for that.
I’d rather sell and have a lesser player that’s constantly available. The club would be absolutely bonkers to extend his contract.Usually I agree that the best ability is availability but this man is our best CB the moment he touches the grass. I'm not thinking about selling, as frustrating as the injuries are.
Who do you even get in return. The CB market is so scarse, even Real Madrid settled for fecking Konate. I'm not convinced by Lacroix.
